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First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) Lemon Tek - Please help explain what happened? * 1
    #28193514 - 02/18/23 06:39 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Background-Male; early 30’s; unemployed; university educated; single; physically healthy and active; health conscious; long-term struggles with mental health, isolation and loneliness; long-term taker of Zoloft

Due to trying various psych meds and talking therapies with little improvement, for a number of years I have considered using psychedelics as a means to help alleviate my struggles with general and social anxiety, mild-chronic depression, negative thought patterns, amongst various other dissatisfactory life circumstances. I never wished to try them for fun: I know full well that a challenging trip is a favourable one in regard to personal and spiritual growth, but if taken foolishly without support/guides/strong mind etc, can be damaging and potentially worsen mental and spiritual health. And the idea of using them recreationally, to temporarily escape from the mundaneness of life, is not something I have an interest in. I simply understand that various psychedelics such as psilocybin are able to put people into specific states of mind whereby they may identify things that are hindering them, and/or causing them grief, and help them to form more positive perspectives in just 1 trip, that years of talking therapy could only hope to achieve.

Essentially, I’ve looked into all of the research and diligently weighed up all of the pro’s and con’s of using psychedelics as a means to hopefully improve quality of life.

As I live in England UK, and liberty caps grow in my area in the Autumn/Fall, I managed to find a few in Sept/Oct 2022 (enough so I had 10g’s worth in crisp dry weight), and I kept hold of them (air tight sealed) until I had a good opportunity to take them, and felt ready.

Although I would have liked to take them with a trip sitter, I live quite a solitary existence at present so I had no choice but to take them alone. I made sure my house was spotlessly clean and uncluttered, so that everything was in check to help improve my trip experience.

First 60 minutes
So I started with 0.8g, which I ground up and left in freshly squeezed lemon juice for 20 minutes, before straining the liquid and consuming it on an empty stomach (discarding the mushroom matter). Roughly 40 minutes went by and I felt nothing, so I followed the same method (but this time consumed both the mushroom matter and juice) and took another 0.5g of dry shrooms roughly 1 hour after I took the initial dose. 

80 minutes since 1st dose
I finally started to notice changes in my environment and my perceptions were noticeably different, but nothing too drastic. I was relieved I still felt fairly lucid, perhaps a little like the feeling of being tipsy after a beer, although more colourful and less inebriating.

2 hours since first dose
Colours were much more vivid. My wooden TV cabinet was glowing golden/red and everything I looked at was just really clear, and vibrant. My visual acuity also seemed much sharper than normal, and textures like wood grain stood out much more. Basically the contrast of my vision had gone from 50% to 100%. Whilst the visual aspects signalled to me that the mushrooms had taken effect, I still felt generally sound of mind and was hoping for more than just pleasing visual distortions.

2.5 hours since first dose
I put on the TV and started to watch Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy which I’d never seen before. It became apparent to me that I didn’t understand a word of what was being said, and I couldn’t be sure if the unusualness of what I was seeing was just the cinematography or the mushroom effects. I kept comparing things in my immediate surroundings like furniture etc, to what I was seeing on screen, but I still couldn’t tell whether the movie just had unusual visual effects, or if my perception was just so drastically different. I guessed it must have been a combination of the two, and I gave up trying to watch/follow the movie and put on some music via YouTube. I enjoyed the music. I remember feeling quite happy watching RHCP Californication, as it felt familiar and influenced some really nice thoughts about my dreams and hopes in life.
I kept going to the toilet for a piss, and each time I went I noticed more intense visuals, at one point the toilet looked really small and like it was getting smaller, and all these psychedelic wavy ethereal halos were surrounding it. It was pretty cool, but I could take or leave the novelty of visuals as they just felt a distraction from what I really wanted from the shroom experience: meaningful epiphany’s that will bring about positive changes in my state of mind and life, amongst all the other potential benefits to my existence. I also started to feel a little unsteady, and at one point I wasn’t sure if I’d pee’d on the floor; as I’m a bit OCD I felt maybe I’d made a mess in my bathroom and on myself, but the visual distortions made it hard to gauge. At this time I could hear different music playing the background, which had a sinister sound, and the light in my small bathroom took on a deeper red hue, as though it mimicked the music (like it would in night club). I immediately decided to change the music to something more pleasant to lighten up the experience as the RHCP were able to shortly before.

3 hours since first dose
The visuals were getting quite intense at this point, the grain on my TV cabinet was moving, the walls were flowing, my carpet was swirling, and when I closed my eyes I saw geometric patterns of the ilk of Alex Grey pictures, but far less sinister/intense, yet still very pronounced. At one point with my eyes closed little eyes appeared in the hundreds, if not thousands, of identical geometric sectional spaces, which all blinked at the same time. Whilst all of this was intense, I didn’t feel too concerned, as I could still think clearly to myself, just not understand language spoken by others e.g, a TV show.

At this point I noticed that my body felt really heavy and so I decided to lie down and close my eyes again. I started to think about my mother, and how she’d really worked hard in her life and deserved her attainments (despite her physical disability she was born with). And felt I’d never given her the love or recognition she deserves. I felt like I wanted to tell her how proud of her I was and that I loved her, and promised myself when I am sober again, I will make it known to her that she has done amazing things, and how inspiring she is to me, and many others. I noticed tears were running down my face, and considered that maybe the shrooms are helping me connect with my emotions (something setraline has made it difficult for me to).

After this passed, the visuals were kicking in strong, and I could barely use my TV remote to change the music on YouTube. I just got really confused as what I wanted to listen to I couldn’t get to, so eventually after some effort I just gave up and listened to what was appearing on the screen. Unfortunately, this music didn’t hit the spot for me, and I started to get quite confused and frustrated. Before I knew it, I started to get anxious and panic. I became slightly dysphagic and struggled to swallow for a short time, and begin to mildly panic as a result.

I then got it into my head that I was on the verge of entering a bad trip, and started searching YouTube for ways to find better waters during the peak of a trip, which included Joe Rogen clips. Unfortunately, everything I selected started talking about the negative aspects of shrooms for certain people, and how some people who are susceptible to Schizophrenia/Psychosis etc shouldn’t use them as they can change people’s personality in a negative way for the rest of their lives, I started to wonder if that was happening to me (all I wanted was some helpful advice I could follow to help make the experience better, but all I was getting was ammunition for worsening an already challenging part of this experience. Lines of skulls (like emoji skulls) started appearing on the TV screen and I just decided to give up with trying to use technology and off the TV. I also got far more annoyed than usual by all the advertisements that came up on YouTube.

3.5 - 4 hours since first dose
I started to eat an apple, and have some water which helped ground me a bit. At this point the visuals began to subside, and I slowly started to return to a more normal and much needed mindstate. I just noticed my body felt incredibly heavy and overall I felt very fatigued.
As it was about 1am now, I decided to lie down in my bed upstairs, and calm down. This worked and I managed to sleep.

Final thoughts
Overall, I would describe the experience as underwhelming, and not sure if I want to do psychedelics again on my own. However, I am glad I was able to experience the power of shrooms. Although I started getting rather uncomfortable towards the end, I feel unscathed by the experience and maybe I got some benefit in terms of getting in touch with my emotions if only for a short period. I would probably do them again with an experienced guide/trip sitter, ideally in professional therapeutic context. I am also glad I now understand how they feel, and what they are capable of, and that ultimately I am strong enough in mind to handle them, but I respect their power and they must only be used with great respect, good intentions, and caution (i.e., set and setting is the key to how the experience will manifest, and if done properly, they have great potential for good, and vice versa if done in-properly).


Edited by jimmylaa (02/19/23 10:22 AM)


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: jimmylaa]
    #28193564 - 02/18/23 07:28 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

This procedure has the recipient laying down/eyes closed for the entirety, perhaps promoting a trance-meditation.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28193569 - 02/18/23 07:33 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)



Let us know if it worked


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: jimmylaa]
    #28193712 - 02/18/23 09:04 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Jimmylaa, don't think that this is a race. You started with a sensible dose of 0.8, nice, then added an extra 0.5 later which will extend and deepen the experience. I would not have done that as a first-timer.

Slow things down, mate, stick to 0.8 or even lower for some weeks until you have experience with psychedelics. Each session you do will be different. Some will be deep and some less so, that's the nature of mushrooms.

I'd play around with the dose, up and down, but by small increments and see this as a quest of knowledge. It is a quest not a 'one race and it's over and done with'. You are on a journey so back up a bit, slow things down, and take it easy - you'll do fine.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: ACTSmokey]
    #28194004 - 02/19/23 01:21 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Hi, thanks for your thoughtful post.

About 8 weeks ago I had actually done 0.65g via lemon tek (strained juice - discarded mushroom matter), and experienced very mild but pleasant visuals (but nothing else), but that was about it. So I didn’t class it as my first trip.

Were it not for that previous ‘experience’, I wouldn’t have re-dosed as you advised :smile:.

I know that liberty caps are stronger than most other shrooms, hence why I didn’t abide to the minimum of 1g for a first timer, which seems to pertain to cubensis varieties.

I will definitely follow your advice and make only very small incremental increases should I choose to take them alone again. That said, next time I’d much rather do a full therapeutic dose under the guide of some kind of psychedelic practitioner for safety and maximum benefit.

I may just microdose my remaining 7 or so grams and see how that goes.


Edited by jimmylaa (02/19/23 01:24 AM)


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28194230 - 02/19/23 08:54 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Thank you, I will definitely check it out. I understand meditation is very good.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28194334 - 02/19/23 10:30 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

It’s difficult for me to say how much of a positive/negative effect the experience had just yet. Ultimately I would say it is was more positive than negative, as I definitely don’t feel worse, but no drastic improvement which I guess is to be expected given the smallish dose taken.

I am also not sure what level experience I had. Perhaps visually it was more like a level 3 trip, but in terms of mystical/spiritual experience perhaps it was more like a level 2 journey? In regard to the latter, a level 4 trip is probably where one needs to end up to experience the most positive outcomes, however, as it was my first true experience and I was on my own, I feel I was being ambitious enough with my dose, and would never go higher (or even as high again) without a skilled guide/shaman/practitioner.

I also think maybe the fact I take sertraline/Zoloft (which I cut down during the week prior to my trip, but still took in small amounts intermittently) must have had a somewhat hindering effect in terms of experiencing a true psychedelic journey. The visuals seemed the most pronounced aspect, like a groovy phone camera filter, which wasn’t what I was seeking, and an aspect of psychedelics I could take or leave.


Edited by jimmylaa (02/19/23 02:35 PM)


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: jimmylaa]
    #28194424 - 02/19/23 12:00 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Myself, I've only had threshold experiences enjoying the subsequent mood elevation. Bong rips send me to Carlos Castaneda land where evil demons try to influence Mario the piper.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28194962 - 02/19/23 06:25 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Buster_Brown said:
Myself, I've only had threshold experiences enjoying the subsequent mood elevation. Bong rips send me to Carlos Castaneda land where evil demons try to influence Mario the piper.



Carlos Castaneda, now there's a name I remember from way back when my beard had yet to sprout. Threshold is fine for me as well, Buster, there is great pleasure in touching the void. There is no need to fall into it for there be dragons.



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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: ACTSmokey]
    #28195011 - 02/19/23 06:53 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Going three plus hours not eating food has brain sugar levels low. Then, with a mushroomed mind the brain needs good sugars to help come back to normal state. Good very much required for brain be happy with or without drugged mushroom state.

Happy belly happy mind.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: ACTSmokey]
    #28195467 - 02/20/23 12:40 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Quote:

ACTSmokey said:
...there is great pleasure in touching the void. There is no need to fall into it for there be dragons.






The dragons materialize in our thoughts and dreams via telepathic metaphors.

Hence the trance meditation to follow their spoor.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28203506 - 02/25/23 05:35 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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Buster_Brown said:








Perhaps we can be advised of your progress.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28204040 - 02/25/23 12:27 PM (10 months, 26 days ago)

Not how it panned out for me. Mostly just the same as before. I would however categorise my dose as a mild one. Moderate would be 3g’s


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: jimmylaa]
    #28204295 - 02/25/23 03:24 PM (10 months, 26 days ago)

ACTsmokey is an astrologer of some repute. Perhaps he can forecast a date and time for maximum advantage.
(crossing my fingers)


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28204330 - 02/25/23 03:46 PM (10 months, 26 days ago)

What?


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) [Re: jimmylaa]
    #28204492 - 02/25/23 06:07 PM (10 months, 26 days ago)

Quote:

Buster_Brown said:
ACTsmokey is an astrologer of some repute. Perhaps he can forecast a date and time for maximum advantage.
(crossing my fingers)



Quote:

jimmylaa said:
What?




Lol, I don't think I'd like to give myself away here so... ah... not likely. But it was a kind thought, Buster.

And if I did I'd be inviting hubris causing a flock/clan/host of those damn dragons from the divide to lob into my house demanding free rent.


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Re: First time: 1.25g of Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) Lemon Tek - Please help explain what happened? [Re: jimmylaa]
    #28204799 - 02/25/23 11:42 PM (10 months, 26 days ago)

Synchronically Angel 68 Habuhiah is affective at this juncture
https://www.ucm.center/en/the-72-angels/angel-68-habuhiah/



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