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Abombs
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Hahaha that's great I'm gonna steal that line.
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millzy


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Re: about rehab and it hurting people. [Re: Abombs] 1
#28193493 - 02/18/23 06:20 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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from the ages of 10 to almost 14, i spent most of my time in psychiatric facilities for the treatment of "depression". this was in the late 80s/early 90s when the "troubled teen" industry was taking off.
long story short, my maternal grandmother died young from cancer, and that made me really sad. i was put on high doses of antidepressants that made me a risk to myself and others. once i was in the system, they just kept giving me more meds. i finally ended up in a state hospital after my parents' insurance was bled dry. my doctor at the state hospital took me off all the meds i was taking, and within a month i reverted back to behaving like a normal little boy. my parents left me in there for another year though.
this was a deeply traumatizing experience that continues to shape my interpersonal relationships. i have major abandonment and intimacy issues that i will be working through for the rest of my life. the first time i masturbated was in my room at the state hospital. i knew what imprisonment felt like years before i knew how to make myself cum. i was also subjected to routine physical and sexual abuse at one of the facilities, and as a result i have trouble feeling safe in certain situations.
to me, these "treatment facilities" are just another form of privatized prisons. they are typically run by business people, and are focused on extracting as much money from you for as long as possible in exchange for the least amount of service. i will not pretend to know what the solution is for our mental health crisis, but i can tell you for sure that this ain't it.
the best luck i've had is with 1-1 counseling. but it's like dating. you have to find the right therapist for you, and that can be really hard.
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Re: about rehab and it hurting people. [Re: millzy] 1
#28193650 - 02/18/23 08:33 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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The post above makes me sad. Situations like that persons are very traumatizing. I have been in an emotional trauma recovery unit about 30 years ago. (I was an adult at the time) Probably saved me from myself. I have seen other peoples lives dramatically change from going to mental health and substance use inpatient treatment, going by force and by choice. I have seen both be amazing. I struggle with children going. I dont know if there is a right or wrong answer to all of this. Some NEED it. Some have guardians who are not qualified to care for them so they put them in- out of not knowing what to do. Some are severely traumatized from it. I am a not a supporter of incarceration, with the exception of some crimes. I do fully support people getting help. My experiences are different then many. I do have worked in corrections. I have worked in in patient facilities. Corrections is so so so traumatizing and most dont belong there. I am conflicted on my feelings.. With adults, I see harm but I see more good. A LOT more good. But with children.... i am so conflicted.
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Re: about rehab and it hurting people. [Re: SnowDaze]
#28197977 - 02/21/23 07:04 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Quote:
SnowDaze said: wanted to come back to apologize for the things I said about sobriety, MAT and more.
MAT is sobriety
there are many ways to get sober
I was letting the AA brainwash really get into me... fuck thats not good
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Lucis
Nutritional Yeast

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Re: about rehab and it hurting people. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#28203277 - 02/24/23 09:21 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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I believe people cannot become sober until they truly want to become sober, you can't force someone to be sober so if someone has tried to force a loved one to be sober they probably will not become sober.
The individual that is trying to get sober has to decide on their own if being sober is what they want to do without their arm being twisted.
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Re: about rehab and it hurting people. [Re: Lucis] 1
#28203330 - 02/24/23 10:47 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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That's always been sound advice, I don't think it's that black and white anymore though. I've seen people get sectioned or involuntarily forced into sobriety and had it stick, it's not the norm but it does work for some. With people in my own life I've definitely been more hands off and tried to let them figure things out on their own, but after losing close friend after friend to fentanyl I can't really argue against the "get them clean by any means necessary" approach. Every single day of actively using is genuinely Russian roulette with the way things are now
I hate Suboxone/methadone because I feel like they fucked my brain up in the long term way more then heroin ever did, with their long half-lifes leading to a brain that is fully loaded 24/7 for months/years on end as opposed to the highs and lows of real dope. At this point they're truly a second chance at life for people though, my philosophy now is to just try to get them on the doctor dope asap and hope they can figure the rest out later. At least it gives them a later
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