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First time, im Amsterdam
    #28200692 - 02/23/23 01:10 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

It didn't work as expected.

I traveled to Amsterdam to try magic mushrooms for the first time. I did some research and found out that my medications could affect the effects, so I had to skip them that day. The problem is that when I don't take my medication, I experience immense pain. I will admit that the experience helped in the weeks after!

So, I bought 45 grams of truffles, divided into 2 x 15 grams of Mexicana and 15 grams of Tampanensis. I bought them from 2 major suppliers in Amsterdam.

On the first day, I started with 5 grams, but didn't feel anything. One hour later, I took another 5 grams, still nothing, so I took another 5 grams after 20 minutes. Then, 20 minutes later, I took another 5 grams, totaling 20 grams as a first-time user. I hadn't eaten for 6 hours, no candy, juice, or sugar of any kind. Maybe I could have tried dark chocolate or lemon tea.

So, that day I didn't feel anything...

I waited a day and repeated the process, but started with 15 grams, took another 5 grams after 30 minutes, and then 6-7 grams at last. Nearly 30 grams, I lay down to meditate and maybe felt something, but not much. No stomach problems, nausea, or anything else.

But in retrospect, I noticed that I could taper off my medication a bit, and my mood improved as my neck and headache disappeared. The problem is that the effects are starting to wear off now.

I took the chance and bought spores from Mexican, but I wasted most of them in the first 2 attempts. Now I have some little ones growing, and I hope they will be successful. If not, I'll have to wait until after summer to go back to Amsterdam.

So, that was my experience. I thought I could handle it as a first-time user, but I don't tolerate alcohol, marijuana, or other drugs particularly well. Or maybe my medications, which are morphine preparations, have made me need more to feel the effects?

Translated by chat gpt, I took a shortcut from my language to english.


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: Shromolo]
    #28201424 - 02/23/23 08:22 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

That is unfortunate that your first experience was not as expected. Don't get discouraged and don't give up.

Check out this post: A beginner's guide to understanding why mushrooms didn't have the desired effects, by Northerner

I am going to guess that your lack of effects was a combination of your dosing method and your medication.

If you plan to take a dose of shrooms, either fruits or stones, take that dose rather than split it up into smaller doses. Tolerance starts in a short amount of time.

It s advisable to eliminate or cut way down on your meds to get a proper psychedelic effect. But that is easier said than done especially with antidepressants or opiates. With opiates you can experience severe withdrawal or rebound pain which is as bad or worse. If you are unable to stop for a few days, try to ween yourself off over a few weeks instead. If that is too much, don't worry about it. Do the best you can.

If you can't get back to Amsterdam for a while and are willing to try a grow at home, read Stonesun's excellent tutorial, A Comprehensive Sclerotia Cultivation Guide - From Spore Print To Spore Prints. Growing stones is considered much easier than growing mushrooms, as it is a 'set and forget' type of grow.

Welcome to The Shroomery and best of luck to you!


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28201898 - 02/24/23 04:14 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Thank you, I actually read the thread while I was in Amsterdam. I'm trying to cut down on my medication, but as you mentioned, it's not easy. For several weeks, I've been taking 2/3 of my normal dosage. At this point, I should have used the Qutenza chili plaster to either numb or burn off my nerve ends. The medication is what enables me to move around, so I mostly stay in bed now. My hope is that psilocybin and lion's mane can help repair some of the damage, as I cannot imagine spending the rest of my life on all these medications - Oxycontin, Oxynorm, Lyrica, and Sarotex (which is also for my nerves and helps me sleep for more than four hours). However, where I live, Oxycontin is allowed, but CBD and marijuana are illegal.

While waiting to see if I'm able to get some mushrooms growing, I will try to lower my medication dosage even further.



I also have a spawn bag going, but it's currently difficult to access because it's stored in an old cardboard box with a heated mat. I have another petri dish with the same spores, but there were only be a few left. Nevertheless, it's alive, so it could be a valuable resource for the next few months. There is some discoloration on the dish, but I hope it's not from other bacteria. To be certain, I plan to make a clean transfer to new petri dishes today or tomorrow. I need to set up a sterile environment first, so I'll create a still air box (SAB) for this purpose. For the first set of petri dishes, I wore a medical suit, mask, and gloves and used a 70% alcohol solution and Lysol spray to sterilize my workspace. I acquired this equipment from my nurse who uses it for applying Qutenza plaster due to the burning sensation it causes.



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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: Shromolo]
    #28202050 - 02/24/23 07:33 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

If you need your medication for pain, stopping it entirely is probably not a good idea in your situation. You certainly don't want to be tripping while in severe pain, that won't be fun. It's not imperative that you stop completely. You can trip while on opiates. That's a decision only you can make.

I see you are highly motivated and I'm sure you will have some mushrooms or sclerotia going soon. While there are some wisps of mycelium in your plate, it also is contaminated with bacteria. A SAB is a must, as well as a pressure cooker, in home mycology. (You can skip the PC if you are just doing cubes on PF (brown rice flour/vermiculite) cakes, but still recommended.)

For growing advice check out our Mushroom Cultivation forum.

The laws seem strict where you live, so be careful.


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: veggie]
    #28202147 - 02/24/23 09:02 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

I really appreciate your replies Veggie!
And thank you! You think the red and yellow tinted are contamination? That was my guess at first. Looking under a microscope the yellow and white are identical, but it seems the white makes a distinct barrier agains the yellow on the petri dish today, 3 days after the image I posted.
Yes and the red and white almost shining plastic like I belive are contamination.
Do you belive it would be possible to save anything from the plate? Make a transfer from the good stuff. My wife got me some plastic boxes today, so I plan on making a SAB today :smile:


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: Shromolo]
    #28202647 - 02/24/23 02:07 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Updated image of the plate.


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: Shromolo]
    #28202859 - 02/24/23 04:14 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

"Do you believe it would be possible to save anything from the plate?"

If it was me, I would start over. The plate is highly contaminated, and since it was created in the open air, there is no telling what other nasties are in there. All future agar work should be done in the SAB you are making.

The appropriate forum for growing questions would be in Mushroom Cultivation. Read the Teks, use search, start a thread, ask questions, and you will have some home-grown psilocybin in no time. I would suggest, just starting out, doing a PF-Tek; very easy, high success rate, quick results, less tools needed, and fun. Then you can move on to the more traditional methods.

Good luck!


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: veggie]
    #28203519 - 02/25/23 06:08 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Thank you!


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Re: First time, im Amsterdam [Re: Shromolo]
    #28203656 - 02/25/23 08:23 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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