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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28199736 - 02/22/23 07:19 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Trump is a very mixed bag, he has positives and negatives IMO. Its insane that he wants to make drug dealing a capital offence, he increased the nationl debt a hell of lot, just like most presidents and he is very divisive because of his narracastic personality and he could not accept the results of the election when he lost, he is a sore loser.

On the other hand I give him credit for some good things he did. He increased oil reserves and was a proponent of the keystone pipeline, so I doubt there would be the gas price problem were he in power now. He got the Abraham Accords signed, which helped towards peace in the middle east between Israel and Arab states. He didn't start another war, unlike most presidents in my lifetime, and was actually going to pull out of Afghanistan properly (unlike the shit show Biden made of the situation). His foreign policy was pretty libertarian which I like and I very much doubt Putin would have had the balls to do what he has done under Trump, but thats just a guess and an opinion. 

Can't really think of any other net positives or terrible negatives but I'm sure there is more.

All in all a very mixed bag,  but I understand how people can both like him and dislike him for various reasons.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28199745 - 02/22/23 07:24 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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One can piece together guns quite easily.  Upper and lower recivers can be Lego like. Same goes for explosives; advanced demo course I took was enlightening on the ease. I do think there is a correlation between criminality and less intelligence, though.




These are things that are extremely easy to get if you're the right person, but becoming the right person is not extremely obvious.

Honestly, that's why I think the bare bones minimum gun regulations would actually take care of most of the problem. A single face to face interaction with someone paying the slightest bit of attention would create enough of a social obstacle to dissuade those who are currently having social problems. Someone who's decided to shoot up a school and is buying a gun is probably hopped up on so much adrenaline they wouldn't be able to handle a 15 minute chat about the weather.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28200214 - 02/23/23 05:58 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Exactly. Let them stop joking around, we'll have Sherman do his march again. They tried not joking around once, we taught them their lesson, apparently they need a refresher on what happens when you start shooting at the US government.




Somebody here said the military would join the other side because of trans athletes and stuff.  LOL. There are definitely some extreme right members of the military, but the top echelons are mainstream who would defend the constitution. There are no more Curtis Lemay's. It's a goofy right wing fantasy that our military is going turn and follow MTG.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28200219 - 02/23/23 06:05 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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On the other hand I give him credit for some good things he did. He increased oil reserves and was a proponent of the keystone pipeline, so I doubt there would be the gas price problem were he in power now.




You should do a little more research on Keystone XL. Asides from it having little to no bearing on gasoline prices, it imports foreign oil.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28200230 - 02/23/23 06:22 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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On the other hand I give him credit for some good things he did. He increased oil reserves and was a proponent of the keystone pipeline, so I doubt there would be the gas price problem were he in power now.




You should do a little more research on Keystone XL. Asides from it having little to no bearing on gasoline prices, it imports foreign oil.




Fair enough, I have not done any kind of in depth research on it.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: thetruthsohelp] * 1
    #28200505 - 02/23/23 10:51 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Also, I filled up for 3.06 per gallon two days ago...what gas price problem? Apart from a roughly eight month period in 2020, gas hasn't been this cheap since like 2012ish. Or when Clinton was in office.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28200656 - 02/23/23 12:43 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Even diesel is on a sharp downswing. Which is odd heading into spring.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: christopera]
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28200759 - 02/23/23 01:52 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28200827 - 02/23/23 02:48 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Dudes were throwing grenades loaded with black powder like, 500 years ago.  I'm sure something of significant effect could be produced with nitrocellulose.  I don't think actual high-explosives are really necessary at all.  Antipersonel mines like claymore do require high explosives, I guess because of the geometry of the casing?


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28200843 - 02/23/23 03:03 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

It depends. Claymore have a small amount of C4/ like 600 grams...with approximately 700 ball bearings. The shape is deadly as well, as it directs the blast("front toward enemy") to  inflict high fatality, casualty radius.....placement is paramount

The improvised anti personal mines I typically made were from expended ammo cans, 1.5 pounds C4 (about same as a claymore), with an inch or so of cardboard (it delays the millisecond needed to propell the contents effectively), then brass, linkage, and rocks....det cord and blasting cap. Adding glass is wicked because microscopic shards form and chances are no surgery will be able to get them out. You basically want to shaped charge (although wider)the blast to the intended location, or the place of an ambush.

Past military grade explosives. There are several other garden variety available to substitute; I will leave it at that. Part of the reason why McVeigh inflicted so much damage was his placement and how he directed the blast towards the buildings.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #28200865 - 02/23/23 03:44 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Why does half the homeless population in the country live in California where folks are now facing an extreme threat to public peace and safety because of it?




Because California is where people who are down on their luck go. This is a staple of American culture. Jack Kerouac. Grapes of Wrath. Hollywood. Blah blah.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28200898 - 02/23/23 04:05 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Dudes were throwing grenades loaded with black powder like, 500 years ago.  I'm sure something of significant effect could be produced with nitrocellulose.  I don't think actual high-explosives are really necessary at all.  Antipersonel mines like claymore do require high explosives, I guess because of the geometry of the casing?




Keep in mind that something like a third of the artillery shells fired during WWI did not explode, and picrates are much better explosives than black powder.

Reliability is also a big factor when it comes to individual use. When you fire ten thousand shells in an hour, a third of them not exploding isn't a big deal, maybe one or two will still clobber a dude in the head. When you wanna make a statement with a bomb, a one in three chance to fail is...not great. That's actually why blasting caps are generally pretty hard to get a hold of. Explosives are reasonably easy to find, but C4 without a detonator is just toxic play-doh. If you set it on fire, it will just burn hot for a while and poison anyone who breathes the smoke.

And, of course, the other factor is all of the math involved in a successful bombing. Demolitions is basically chemistry, civil engineering, and materials science all in one. Buildings are designed to stay standing. People are soft and squishy and absorb overpressure surprisingly well as a result. As tripalot said, McVeigh moved his van a few feet to one side, and that day would have gone very differently. Probably just as splattery, I'm guessing every single person in the building would have made a big mess in their pants, but they would have walked out.

Well, and he also knew what he was doing when it came to making it. ANFO is still preeeeety easy to fuck up. Hell, I think it was the times square bomber who just put containers of fertilizer and propane tanks in his car, not even realizing that you're supposed to mix them together.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: koods]
    #28200903 - 02/23/23 04:08 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Not everything is some woody Guthrie song or whatever your talking about koods.



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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28201005 - 02/23/23 04:55 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Remember a while back when LAPD blew up their own bomb truck in a neighborhood?  That was just a bunch of coke can sized flash powder salutes some dipshits made in a garage.  They probably just had paper casings but they almost certainly could have fragmented a hollow piece of metal.  I don't know anything about demolition and probably most other people don't either but all I was saying is that a grenade seems pretty simple in it's construction.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28201084 - 02/23/23 05:39 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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It depends. Claymore have a small amount of C4/ like 600 grams...with approximately 700 ball bearings. The shape is deadly as well, as it directs the blast("front toward enemy") to  inflict high fatality, casualty radius.....placement is paramount

The improvised anti personal mines I typically made were from expended ammo cans, 1.5 pounds C4 (about same as a claymore), with an inch or so of cardboard (it delays the millisecond needed to propell the contents effectively), then brass, linkage, and rocks....det cord and blasting cap. Adding glass is wicked because microscopic shards form and chances are no surgery will be able to get them out. You basically want to shaped charge (although wider)the blast to the intended location, or the place of an ambush.

Past military grade explosives. There are several other garden variety available to substitute; I will leave it at that. Part of the reason why McVeigh inflicted so much damage was his placement and how he directed the blast towards the buildings.





Wait why were you making anti personnel mines?


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: koods]
    #28201089 - 02/23/23 05:43 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Well, and he also knew what he was doing when it came to making it. ANFO is still preeeeety easy to fuck up.




ANFO is difficult to detonate. I donโ€™t think there are many ANFO bombers that have blown themselves up.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28201173 - 02/23/23 06:27 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Remember a while back when LAPD blew up their own bomb truck in a neighborhood?  That was just a bunch of coke can sized flash powder salutes some dipshits made in a garage.  They probably just had paper casings but they almost certainly could have fragmented a hollow piece of metal.  I don't know anything about demolition and probably most other people don't either but all I was saying is that a grenade seems pretty simple in it's construction.




Not a bad example of my point: 5,000 lbs of kablooey results in 17 injuries and non-catastrophic damage to two dozen houses.

That is really not a lot of damage for 5,000 lbs of explosives. I mean, the point was to avoid damage, but still.

Now if that truck was made with hardened steel armor and the explosives had some actual brisance, the casualties would have been much worse.

So, if we're talking Terminator pipe bombs, those would look less like fragmentation grenades and more like someone shotgunned a beer, but the beer was a piece of pipe. Steel pipe is generally fairly soft and malleable, and black powder might not actually detonate depending on the conditions, so you'll just have a nasty structural failure and rapid depressurization--much less dangerous than fragmentation.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28201196 - 02/23/23 06:35 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Make your vessel from cast iron then.  And those things were flash powder, not black powder.  I think the detonation velocity is pretty significant(ly faster than black powder) for whatever that's worth.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: koods]
    #28201197 - 02/23/23 06:35 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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It depends. Claymore have a small amount of C4/ like 600 grams...with approximately 700 ball bearings. The shape is deadly as well, as it directs the blast("front toward enemy") to  inflict high fatality, casualty radius.....placement is paramount

The improvised anti personal mines I typically made were from expended ammo cans, 1.5 pounds C4 (about same as a claymore), with an inch or so of cardboard (it delays the millisecond needed to propell the contents effectively), then brass, linkage, and rocks....det cord and blasting cap. Adding glass is wicked because microscopic shards form and chances are no surgery will be able to get them out. You basically want to shaped charge (although wider)the blast to the intended location, or the place of an ambush.

Past military grade explosives. There are several other garden variety available to substitute; I will leave it at that. Part of the reason why McVeigh inflicted so much damage was his placement and how he directed the blast towards the buildings.





Wait why were you making anti personnel mines?





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