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Randar
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
#28199316 - 02/22/23 02:36 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: I'm sure if your property was destroyed or you lost a family member in those riots you wouldn't view them as at all peaceful. That alone is a pretty extreme view. You say you don't condone violence but then fully condone the actions and rhetoric that led to it. 
Please explain. I don't condone any of the actions that led to it. The murder of George Floyd was awful and atrocious. I think your ignorance is showing...
And you talk about the loss of life during the protests...many of those were due to police shooting at protesters. Not ok.
But, I digress, I forget that on the right, protests due to police brutality must be quashed. But if police say you can't enter a federal building, well then, they must be attacked and beaten.
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. I promise you prohibition does not work and will only create a black market for criminal elements and create more nutjobs to perpetrate acts of violence
Prohibition work great great if what you are prohibiting is technically complicated and hard to manufacture . If you can grow it or make it in your bathtub with simple shit it doesn't . It doesn't work for drugs . Works great for belt fed machine guns though, works great for hand grenades , works for shoulder fired missiles , it would work for semi auto rifles too .
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: I'm sure if your property was destroyed or you lost a family member in those riots you wouldn't view them as at all peaceful. That alone is a pretty extreme view. You say you don't condone violence but then fully condone the actions and rhetoric that led to it. 
Please explain. I don't condone any of the actions that led to it. The murder of George Floyd was awful and atrocious. I think your ignorance is showing...
But you condone the "protests" that led to riots and looting.
Yes. They had every right to protest the treatment of African Americans in this country by police. Every right. Violence, that is not condoned. And it's not true to say that the protests themselves led to the violence. It was the reaction of police and others to the protests that led to the violence in many, if not all, of the cases.
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
#28199326 - 02/22/23 02:39 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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. I promise you prohibition does not work and will only create a black market for criminal elements and create more nutjobs to perpetrate acts of violence
Prohibition work great great if what you are prohibiting is technically complicated and hard to manufacture . If you can grow it or make it in your bathtub with simple shit it doesn't . It doesn't work for drugs . Works great for belt fed machine guns though, works great for hand grenades , works for shoulder fired missiles , it would work for semi auto rifles too .
Tsk tsk...you forget about the size and scope and criminal culture that is inherent to American culture.
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
#28199347 - 02/22/23 02:47 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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It's delusional to think machine guns or hand grenades or rockets aren't easy to manufacture
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Funny how policy makers are now back peddling a bit and going the opposite way from your diluted idealistic views that are an object failer that simpley enables and bandaids the problem.
Funny how you can't actually name a failed policy, and when presented with the effects of the policy (a 53% reduction in per Capita spending on homeless people) you ignore the clear success and continue calling it a failed policy.
Let's look at your other examples.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Its relates to failed left wing policies that were to extreme and caused a similarly extreme reaction by the right. Folks living in California Oregon and elsewhere deeply blue states are simpley fed up and at thier wits end with the reality of facing issues of crime and homelessness that continue to be totally out of hand and has only been used as ammo to the right and is eventuallygoing to lead to a change of tone on the left to these policies. Just as the applause or unwillingness to condemn of left wing extremism has shocked many across the political spectrum and is only finally being admonished by both sides after alot of folks were hurt. This is what's being discussed.
Crime is currently worse in red states than in blue states, and the largest increases in crime rates over the last few years have all been in trump voting counties. Crime in Cali is up like 30% and crime in Arkansas is up 50%. Kevin McCarthy's district in California is one of the most violent and crime-ridden areas in the state.
There is nothing to condemn, apart from right wing hypocrisy and the enlightened centrist bullshit that you are pushing contrary to the actual facts on the ground.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Not to mention a large deep culture that believes it as a mandatory right enshrined in the constitution which actually is somewhat justified. These people aren't fucking joking around when they say cold dead hands. 
Then these people need to have their hands become cold and dead. I'm fucking sick of right wingers just saying that we won't follow the laws, and then threatening to shoot people that tell them to follow the laws. It's bullshit and it needs to end. If you can't deal with the laws, then leave or deal with the consequences of not following the laws.
Crime is up across the board so thanks for admitting that. Your also skewing the statistics by not taking into account many other factors. The rural states maybe seeing an staggering increase in crime from like nothing to 50% more than nothing but California far and away is not only the most populous state has a grossly disproportionate crime rate and as such probably the most criminal acts out of any place in the country. When it comes to crime even one act is too many so when you look at the shocking amount of victims in the state of California most people view it as a serious out of hand problem that greatly effects many. I even go further that the degenerate rhetoric was see from these more extreme left wing politicians like the insane mischaracterization and misinterpretation of quotes of civil right icons like John Lewis like "getting into good trouble" and other malarkey like the attack on law and order and indeed the state in general applauded during the BLM riots and the fan flaming years leading up to the boil over and their soft on crime policies and knee capping of police are just as much to blame as the rights refusal to do right by folks and fund address and reform criminal justice in their states. Color me crazy.
I think you might actually be crazy, crime in California is about average for the nation.
You wanna see serious and out of hand crime? Go to Alabama. Or Tennessee. Or Arkansas. Or Arizona. Or Missouri. Or South Carolina. Those are some of the most violent states in the nation.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: It's delusional to think machine guns or hand grenades or rockets aren't easy to manufacture 
Yeah, okay, I am no longer speaking rhetorically when I say I think you might be crazy. You clearly have no idea what is happening.
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
#28199372 - 02/22/23 02:57 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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What's happening is you continue to deny facts of reality
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Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which tracks firearm mortality rates by state, in 2020, the latest year with recorded data, there were 4,164 gun deaths in Texas, compared with 3,449 in California.
When taking into account that California has around 9 million more residents that Texas, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates, as of July 2022, this means California had an average of 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people, while Texas has 14.2 per 100,000.
This means that, according to the 2020 figures, Texas's gun death rate is around 67 percent higher than that of California's, per 100,000 people.
Thems the facts, and thats the reality.
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It's delusional to think machine guns or hand grenades or rockets aren't easy to manufacture 
Legally they are . Illegally not at all . If you would like to prove me wrong I'll give you 10g's in cash if you build me a 20 mm Vulcan . I'll drive to your house and pick it up .
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
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Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
If you have a mechanical engineering degree , 200k worth of machine shop shit on your garage and many years of work experience it wii be easier . If your that kid that shot up the school in Uvalde though or any of the cops that tried to stop him , fuck no .
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
A grenade is probably relatively easy. A gun, not so much. I say that as a guy who could make a gun in my machine shop that sits about 45 feet from this PC. I'd rather not try either though.
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Has anyone ever tried to sell you a Grenade ? Probably not because prohibition works for shit like that .
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Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
If you have a mechanical engineering degree , 200k worth of machine shop shit on your garage and many years of work experience it wii be easier . If your that kid that shot up the school in Uvalde though or any of the cops that tried to stop him , fuck no .
As someone who has no relevant degree but has messed around with a CnC, as well as having a hefty collection of....questionable...literature, I'm reasonably certain that I could have a working open bolt blowback SMG within a week. Given said machine shop with 200k of equipment, of course. Quality is a whole different beast, I doubt I'd even be able to keep a consistent fire rate rounded to the hundreds, and accuracy is gonna be shit.
This is basically par for the course when it comes to homemade guns, though. Good bit of literature, including some SERE manuals I got my hands on that talk about making zip guns behind enemy lines, and they all say that their designs, while functional, are also useless past like ten feet.
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Kryptos said: Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
A grenade is probably relatively easy. A gun, not so much. I say that as a guy who could make a gun in my machine shop that sits about 45 feet from this PC. I'd rather not try either though.
Guns are way easier. Making a grenade shell is easy, any can full of nails will do. Making the explosives that turn the shell into an actual grenade, though? There's a reason that while the average serial killer has an IQ in the 80s, bombers have IQs in the 140s. You make a mistake, you end up like that incel that tried to make TATP in his trailer home. No hands.
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
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One can piece together guns quite easily. Upper and lower recivers can be Lego like. Same goes for explosives; advanced demo course I took was enlightening on the ease. I do think there is a correlation between criminality and less intelligence, though.
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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
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Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
If you have a mechanical engineering degree , 200k worth of machine shop shit on your garage and many years of work experience it wii be easier . If your that kid that shot up the school in Uvalde though or any of the cops that tried to stop him , fuck no .
As someone who has no relevant degree but has messed around with a CnC, as well as having a hefty collection of....questionable...literature, I'm reasonably certain that I could have a working open bolt blowback SMG within a week. Given said machine shop with 200k of equipment, of course. Quality is a whole different beast, I doubt I'd even be able to keep a consistent fire rate rounded to the hundreds, and accuracy is gonna be shit.
This is basically par for the course when it comes to homemade guns, though. Good bit of literature, including some SERE manuals I got my hands on that talk about making zip guns behind enemy lines, and they all say that their designs, while functional, are also useless past like ten feet.
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Kryptos said: Wanna know how I know you've done literally no gunsmithing in your life, and quite likely never done any sort of metalwork in your life?
You think that making a machine gun or a grenade is easy.
A grenade is probably relatively easy. A gun, not so much. I say that as a guy who could make a gun in my machine shop that sits about 45 feet from this PC. I'd rather not try either though.
Guns are way easier. Making a grenade shell is easy, any can full of nails will do. Making the explosives that turn the shell into an actual grenade, though? There's a reason that while the average serial killer has an IQ in the 80s, bombers have IQs in the 140s. You make a mistake, you end up like that incel that tried to make TATP in his trailer home. No hands.
I can turn a grenade shell in about 20 minutes. CNC homie.
A gun is way more intricate. Just the programming alone. The tooling is way more tricky too. Gundrills aren't cheap and since you are going to go a far distance in Z your lathe has to be spot on. It is just a much trickier process. Then a significant amount of it has to be done on the mill. Some of the milled parts then have to go on the lathe, some of the lathe cut parts on the mill. It's not even close between a gun and grenade, the grenade is way easier.
Yes, packing the grenade is the tricky part.
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Psilynut2 said: Has anyone ever tried to sell you a Grenade ? Probably not because prohibition works for shit like that .
I've never been sold a grenade but I have thrown one. I worked on my friends farm as a kid and the dude would get super smashed towing us around as we bailed hay. He was a Vietnam vet. One time he took us to his house. It was nearly dusk and we had bailed all day, he told us to wait outside. He came back with an ammo box full of grenades. We took turns each tossing a grenade into the field from behind one of those giant rectangle haybales. It was pretty sweet. The dude was crazy as fuck though.
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He had to be because taking ordinance as a souvenir is a big time no no in the UCMJ....even back then. You were probably throwing M67s depending on when homeboy got out. Amazing you didn't start a fire. The concusion of a grenade will take your breath away, definely not like the movies. I shot defilade with a Mark 19, belt fed 40mm grenades, rate of fire is around 300 a minute.
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I have no idea the model or type. This farm was way out in the middle of nowhere. The guy was always trashed as far as I knew. He ran the farm as a hobby but was an electrician by day. From what I can tell he had a huge collection of guns, basically a WW3 prepper.
It was an intense and unforgettable experience to say the least.
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