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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199184 - 02/22/23 01:04 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Its relates to failed left wing policies that were to extreme and caused a similarly extreme reaction by the right. Folks living in California Oregon and elsewhere deeply blue states are simpley fed up and at thier wits end with the reality of facing issues of crime and homelessness that continue to be totally out of hand and has only been used as ammo to the right and is eventuallygoing to lead to a change of tone on the left to these policies. Just as the applause or unwillingness to condemn of left wing extremism has shocked many across the political spectrum and is only finally being admonished by both sides after alot of folks were hurt. This is what's being discussed.




Nope. The reason that blue states are at their wit's ends over crime is because common-sense solutions (gun control) are shot down by the right only to then hear them complain about lawlessness and crime and why aren't the left doing anything about it.

And examples of failing to condemn left wing extremism? Or are you talking out of your ass again and mis-remembering the rights failure to condemn Charlottesville, Jan. 6th, Sandy Hook, etc., etc., etc.?



I'm in full support of common sense gun control policies that are effective. California has the strictest gun control in the nation and I view it as nonsensical and overbearing with little of the intended effect...a failed policy. Moreover there are many on the extreme left who push to dig even deeper to an outright ban of firearms.




As they should. The Second Amendment has been horribly misinterpreted. I think at the very least, the right wing should recognize that you can't have the same gun laws applying to rural and urban areas. It doesn't make sense and it just doesn't work.

You know what would be nice? We've been living with these ridiculous gun laws for so long, and being told that tighter gun laws/gun bans won't curb gun violence. Why not have a temporary experiment? 2 years with no guns? (I know it's not practical to implement) You want to know why? Because it would prove all those anti-gun control theories completely wrong.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199188 - 02/22/23 01:09 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Again you people keep pushing and pushing to outright ban firearms and the right has stated again and again that that is the absolute line in the sand that will trigger a revolution but you refuse to listen. I promise you prohibition does not work and will only create a black market for criminal elements and create more nutjobs to perpetrate acts of violence and an extreme driver to subvert these laws. Sounds like a great experiment to try out when the softer polices haven't even been all that effective but only serve to create a false illusion of safety.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199189 - 02/22/23 01:11 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Again you people keep pushing and pushing to outright ban firearms and the right has stated again and again that that is the absolute line in the sand that will trigger a revolution but you refuse to listen. I promise you prohibition does not work and will only create a black market for criminal elements and create more nutjobs to perpetrate acts of violence and an extreme driver to subvert these laws. Sounds like a great experiment to try out when the softer polices haven't even been all that effective.




Yet you look around the world and see that it does work. It's a head-in-the-sand approach that we take here.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199191 - 02/22/23 01:13 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Those places don't have nearly the size and scope and criminal culture that is inherent to American culture. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199196 - 02/22/23 01:15 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Those places don't have nearly the size and scope and criminal culture that is inherent to American culture. :facepalm:






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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199200 - 02/22/23 01:18 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Not to mention a large deep culture that believes it as a mandatory right enshrined in the constitution which actually is somewhat justified. These people aren't fucking joking around when they say cold dead hands. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199201 - 02/22/23 01:20 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Ah yes, the ol' I have rights but no responsibilities argument.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199204 - 02/22/23 01:24 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Regardless of all of this, and getting back to the OP, none of these "left wing" policies you are bringing up are on the table right now. People on the left can want anything, but if it's not serious and isn't brought up in the legislation, then the point is moot.

So what policy disasters has the current administration been in charge of that would make someone want to vote for Trump?


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199237 - 02/22/23 01:49 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Funny how policy makers are now back peddling a bit and going the opposite way from your diluted idealistic views that are an object failer that simpley enables and bandaids the problem.




Funny how you can't actually name a failed policy, and when presented with the effects of the policy (a 53% reduction in per Capita spending on homeless people) you ignore the clear success and continue calling it a failed policy.

Let's look at your other examples.

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Its relates to failed left wing policies that were to extreme and caused a similarly extreme reaction by the right. Folks living in California Oregon and elsewhere deeply blue states are simpley fed up and at thier wits end with the reality of facing issues of crime and homelessness that continue to be totally out of hand and has only been used as ammo to the right and is eventuallygoing to lead to a change of tone on the left to these policies. Just as the applause or unwillingness to condemn of left wing extremism has shocked many across the political spectrum and is only finally being admonished by both sides after alot of folks were hurt. This is what's being discussed.




Crime is currently worse in red states than in blue states, and the largest increases in crime rates over the last few years have all been in trump voting counties. Crime in Cali is up like 30% and crime in Arkansas is up 50%. Kevin McCarthy's district in California is one of the most violent and crime-ridden areas in the state.

There is nothing to condemn, apart from right wing hypocrisy and the enlightened centrist bullshit that you are pushing contrary to the actual facts on the ground.

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Not to mention a large deep culture that believes it as a mandatory right enshrined in the constitution which actually is somewhat justified. These people aren't fucking joking around when they say cold dead hands. :facepalm:




Then these people need to have their hands become cold and dead. I'm fucking sick of right wingers just saying that we won't follow the laws, and then threatening to shoot people that tell them to follow the laws. It's bullshit and it needs to end. If you can't deal with the laws, then leave or deal with the consequences of not following the laws.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28199249 - 02/22/23 01:59 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

And while it's true they aren't joking around, they also aren't a serious threat. Maybe a threat to the donut I'm eating, but not to anything else.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199265 - 02/22/23 02:14 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Exactly. Let them stop joking around, we'll have Sherman do his march again. They tried not joking around once, we taught them their lesson, apparently they need a refresher on what happens when you start shooting at the US government.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28199270 - 02/22/23 02:18 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Exactly. Let them stop joking around, we'll have Sherman do his march again. They tried not joking around once, we taught them their lesson, apparently they need a refresher on what happens when you start shooting at the US government.




Ashli Babbitt learned that lesson...

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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28199278 - 02/22/23 02:22 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Funny how policy makers are now back peddling a bit and going the opposite way from your diluted idealistic views that are an object failer that simpley enables and bandaids the problem.




Funny how you can't actually name a failed policy, and when presented with the effects of the policy (a 53% reduction in per Capita spending on homeless people) you ignore the clear success and continue calling it a failed policy.

Let's look at your other examples.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Its relates to failed left wing policies that were to extreme and caused a similarly extreme reaction by the right. Folks living in California Oregon and elsewhere deeply blue states are simpley fed up and at thier wits end with the reality of facing issues of crime and homelessness that continue to be totally out of hand and has only been used as ammo to the right and is eventuallygoing to lead to a change of tone on the left to these policies. Just as the applause or unwillingness to condemn of left wing extremism has shocked many across the political spectrum and is only finally being admonished by both sides after alot of folks were hurt. This is what's being discussed.




Crime is currently worse in red states than in blue states, and the largest increases in crime rates over the last few years have all been in trump voting counties. Crime in Cali is up like 30% and crime in Arkansas is up 50%. Kevin McCarthy's district in California is one of the most violent and crime-ridden areas in the state.

There is nothing to condemn, apart from right wing hypocrisy and the enlightened centrist bullshit that you are pushing contrary to the actual facts on the ground.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Not to mention a large deep culture that believes it as a mandatory right enshrined in the constitution which actually is somewhat justified. These people aren't fucking joking around when they say cold dead hands. :facepalm:




Then these people need to have their hands become cold and dead. I'm fucking sick of right wingers just saying that we won't follow the laws, and then threatening to shoot people that tell them to follow the laws. It's bullshit and it needs to end. If you can't deal with the laws, then leave or deal with the consequences of not following the laws.



Crime is up across the board so thanks for admitting that. Your also skewing the statistics by not taking into account many other factors. The rural states maybe seeing an staggering increase in crime from like nothing to 50% more than nothing but California far and away is not only the most populous state has a grossly disproportionate crime rate and as such probably the most criminal acts out of any place in the country. When it comes to crime even one act is too many so when you look at the shocking amount of victims in the state of California most people view it as a serious out of hand problem that greatly effects many. I even go further that the degenerate rhetoric was see from these more extreme left wing politicians like the insane mischaracterization and misinterpretation of quotes of civil right icons like John Lewis like "getting into good trouble" and other malarkey like the attack on law and order and indeed the state in general applauded during the BLM riots and the fan flaming years leading up to the boil over and their soft on crime policies and knee capping of police are just as much to blame as the rights refusal to do right by folks and fund address and reform criminal justice in their states. Color me crazy.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28199282 - 02/22/23 02:23 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Exactly. Let them stop joking around, we'll have Sherman do his march again. They tried not joking around once, we taught them their lesson, apparently they need a refresher on what happens when you start shooting at the US government.



Why do you think this violent rhetoric is okay or in anyway justified? Do you have any concept of war?


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199291 - 02/22/23 02:28 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Kryptos said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Funny how policy makers are now back peddling a bit and going the opposite way from your diluted idealistic views that are an object failer that simpley enables and bandaids the problem.




Funny how you can't actually name a failed policy, and when presented with the effects of the policy (a 53% reduction in per Capita spending on homeless people) you ignore the clear success and continue calling it a failed policy.

Let's look at your other examples.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Its relates to failed left wing policies that were to extreme and caused a similarly extreme reaction by the right. Folks living in California Oregon and elsewhere deeply blue states are simpley fed up and at thier wits end with the reality of facing issues of crime and homelessness that continue to be totally out of hand and has only been used as ammo to the right and is eventuallygoing to lead to a change of tone on the left to these policies. Just as the applause or unwillingness to condemn of left wing extremism has shocked many across the political spectrum and is only finally being admonished by both sides after alot of folks were hurt. This is what's being discussed.




Crime is currently worse in red states than in blue states, and the largest increases in crime rates over the last few years have all been in trump voting counties. Crime in Cali is up like 30% and crime in Arkansas is up 50%. Kevin McCarthy's district in California is one of the most violent and crime-ridden areas in the state.

There is nothing to condemn, apart from right wing hypocrisy and the enlightened centrist bullshit that you are pushing contrary to the actual facts on the ground.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Not to mention a large deep culture that believes it as a mandatory right enshrined in the constitution which actually is somewhat justified. These people aren't fucking joking around when they say cold dead hands. :facepalm:




Then these people need to have their hands become cold and dead. I'm fucking sick of right wingers just saying that we won't follow the laws, and then threatening to shoot people that tell them to follow the laws. It's bullshit and it needs to end. If you can't deal with the laws, then leave or deal with the consequences of not following the laws.



Crime is up across the board so thanks for admitting that. Your also skewing the statistics by not taking into account many other factors. The rural states maybe seeing an staggering increase in crime from like nothing to 50% more than nothing but California far and away is not only the most populous state has a grossly disproportionate crime rate and as such probably the most criminal acts out of any place in the country. When it comes to crime even one act is too many so when you look at the shocking amount of victims in the state of California most people view it as a serious out of hand problem that greatly effects many. I even go further that the degenerate rhetoric was see from these more extreme left wing politicians like the insane mischaracterization and misinterpretation of quotes of civil right icons like John Lewis like "getting into good trouble" and other malarkey like the attack on law and order and indeed the state in general applauded during the BLM riots and the fan flaming years leading up to the boil over and their soft on crime policies and knee capping of police are just as much to blame as the rights refusal to do right by folks and fund address and reform criminal justice in their states. Color me crazy.





Okay, you're crazy. The BLM protests were, proven multiple times, mostly peaceful. Even when you did have some violence against police (I don't condone it), I can understand it as African Americans are disproportionately abused by police officers. Yet, in the right wing media, you'd think all hell was breaking loose.

Now compare that to Jan. 6th where it wasn't at all peaceful and the violence against police officers is driven by a group of simpletons being lied to about losing an election. Right wing media states it was peaceful and more like a tourist visit.

Please tell me more about our left-wing extremists...


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199295 - 02/22/23 02:28 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

Crime is still like way lower than it was 25 years ago. Again, that has nothing to do with leftist policy since we don't have any.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199302 - 02/22/23 02:31 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

I'm sure if your property was destroyed or you lost a family member in those riots you wouldn't view them as at all peaceful. That alone is a pretty extreme view. You say you don't condone violence but then fully condone the actions and rhetoric that led to it. :flowstone:


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28199307 - 02/22/23 02:33 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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I'm sure if your property was destroyed or you lost a family member in those riots you wouldn't view them as at all peaceful. That alone is a pretty extreme view. You say you don't condone violence but then fully condone the actions and rhetoric that led to it. :flowstone:




Please explain. I don't condone any of the actions that led to it. The murder of George Floyd was awful and atrocious. I think your ignorance is showing...


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: christopera]
    #28199309 - 02/22/23 02:33 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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Crime is still like way lower than it was 25 years ago. Again, that has nothing to do with leftist policy since we don't have any.



Funny how in my state we spearheaded criminal justice reform for the whole country. Most the policies work but alot of them just created and enabled more crime. But yeah the left wing policies aren't to blame at all for that.


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Re: Trump (moved) [Re: Randar]
    #28199312 - 02/22/23 02:34 PM (10 months, 29 days ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
I'm sure if your property was destroyed or you lost a family member in those riots you wouldn't view them as at all peaceful. That alone is a pretty extreme view. You say you don't condone violence but then fully condone the actions and rhetoric that led to it. :flowstone:




Please explain. I don't condone any of the actions that led to it. The murder of George Floyd was awful and atrocious. I think your ignorance is showing...



But you condone the "protests" that led to riots and looting.:facepalm:


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