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Invisiblesplit_by_nine
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
    #28197648 - 02/21/23 03:43 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

ive never been to a church service. not even once:rockon:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28197660 - 02/21/23 03:50 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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I've never been to a church service. not even once:rockon:



I find it interesting to see other church services and what they believe and do.
BUT
not to become a member of congregation.


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Invisiblesplit_by_nine
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
    #28197662 - 02/21/23 03:51 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

i am 100% uninterested in church lol


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28197664 - 02/21/23 03:53 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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split_by_nine said:
i am 100% uninterested in church lol



same when it comes to my personal life.
It is interesting...


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28197670 - 02/21/23 03:55 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

There is no other way to have people from the first two unless there was incest. It's so fucking weird that people look over this one major factor in the whole thing. I think I read somewhere that they justify it somehow but I don't really fucking care to look for it. Psychotic beliefs as far as I'm concerned and the people that say how would there be any morality or non chaos without the bible story are the ones I'm most concerned about.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28197745 - 02/21/23 04:34 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

There is no God and the same thing happens when you die as before you were born, nothing.

You can't have an experience of nothing.

The universe is random and chaotic and nothing happens for a reason; there is no fate.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28197747 - 02/21/23 04:38 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)



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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28197755 - 02/21/23 04:42 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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fiddle_head said:
There is no God and the same thing happens when you die as before you were born, nothing.

You can't have an experience of nothing.

The universe is random and chaotic and nothing happens for a reason; there is no fate.




I dont know if I believe that.
I am leaning towards reincarnation lately.
I had a deep meditation about a past life and I am leaning towards it.


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InvisiblePatrickKn
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28197769 - 02/21/23 04:45 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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fiddle_head said:
There is no God and the same thing happens when you die as before you were born, nothing.

You can't have an experience of nothing.

The universe is random and chaotic and nothing happens for a reason; there is no fate.



What makes you think its random versus deterministic? I'm not religious, but I don't really think you would need a God to explain a static path determined by cause and effect.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #28197785 - 02/21/23 04:54 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

There was no beginning and there is no end

God and religion are just age old interpretation of truth and natural law using Metaphors and analogies to give sight to the blind

If you fail to understand or gain value or learn anything or judge it based on the flawed men like yourself who practice it then you're a fool


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28197795 - 02/21/23 05:05 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Even from a purely atheistic approach, you can argue that everything, down to the last mote of dust in the air, was set upon a predetermined path by the Big Bang. Like marbles rolling down the stairs, out of our control.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 2
    #28197799 - 02/21/23 05:09 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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PatrickKn said:
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fiddle_head said:
There is no God and the same thing happens when you die as before you were born, nothing.

You can't have an experience of nothing.

The universe is random and chaotic and nothing happens for a reason; there is no fate.



What makes you think its random versus deterministic? I'm not religious, but I don't really think you would need a God to explain a static path determined by cause and effect.




Matter doesn't exist. Just information and probability on a subatomic level. The fact that matter itself behaves differently when measured or observed on an infinitesimally small level enough level is proof enough for me. Random probability where a particle will be in space and time when observed.

Where did all the matter and energy in the universe originate from before big bang. and one before that and one before that.

You can predict patterns in the natural world; physics is a useful tool to understand the laws that govern reality, but true defamiliarization and objectivity is impossible.

Like what the fuck is gravity or light and how does anything exist?

Static path and cause and effect as well as time are illusions caused by entropy and imaginary information transmitted by electrical impulses in your dorsolateral prefrontal right cortex


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28197801 - 02/21/23 05:10 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

I love hearing people’s interpretation of this thing we’re doing. Existence. What it means or doesn’t.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28197816 - 02/21/23 05:24 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

And as much as we break it down into this or that all of the mumbo jumbo doesn't really have much bearing on what's really going on or our experience of it

I don't need to understand the sun or how it works to enjoy its feel on my skin or any other experience worth having

No explanation is needed to experience something amazing and beautiful in life and those experiences give life all the meaning

Of not I guess, depending on how you choose to look at it


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
    #28197835 - 02/21/23 05:39 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Everyone who has down rated me is a leftarded snowflake.


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InvisiblePatrickKn
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 2
    #28197842 - 02/21/23 05:46 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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fiddle_head said:
Matter doesn't exist. Just information and probability on a subatomic level. The fact that matter itself behaves differently when measured or observed on an infinitesimally small level enough level is proof enough for me. Random probability where a particle will be in space and time when observed.

Where did all the matter and energy in the universe originate from before big bang. and one before that and one before that.

You can predict patterns in the natural world; physics is a useful tool to understand the laws that govern reality, but true defamiliarization and objectivity is impossible.

Like what the fuck is gravity or light and how does anything exist?

Static path and cause and effect as well as time are illusions caused by entropy and imaginary information transmitted by electrical impulses in your dorsolateral prefrontal right cortex



I have had the same kind of interpretation before, assuming that changes under observation pointed to a random effect at play. Now my interpretation is different though.

I would argue that matter behaves differently when being measured because the instruments being used to measure and observe it affect the way it presents itself, not necessarily because the very act of observation has a dice effect on matter. Things are only probabilistic at the macroscopic level if you cannot understand what is going on at the quantum level, and our ability to understand what is going on at the quantum level is hindered by our inability to measure it with macroscopic tools and techniques.

In either case, I wouldn't say that even if a random probabilistic effect were happening at the quantum level that this would mean stuff like matter were non-existent. Non-existence is really a semantic designation at the end of the day, but in my worldview, there is no reason to assume things which exist in practice don't tangibly exist. If tangibility is an imaginary effect entirely, then something still might be real as a product of imaginary effect either way.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #28197851 - 02/21/23 05:50 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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PatrickKn said:
Quote:

fiddle_head said:
Matter doesn't exist. Just information and probability on a subatomic level. The fact that matter itself behaves differently when measured or observed on an infinitesimally small level enough level is proof enough for me. Random probability where a particle will be in space and time when observed.

Where did all the matter and energy in the universe originate from before big bang. and one before that and one before that.

You can predict patterns in the natural world; physics is a useful tool to understand the laws that govern reality, but true defamiliarization and objectivity is impossible.

Like what the fuck is gravity or light and how does anything exist?

Static path and cause and effect as well as time are illusions caused by entropy and imaginary information transmitted by electrical impulses in your dorsolateral prefrontal right cortex



I have had the same kind of interpretation before, assuming that changes under observation pointed to a random effect at play. Now my interpretation is different though.

I would argue that matter behaves differently when being measured because the instruments being used to measure and observe it affect the way it presents itself, not necessarily because the very act of observation has a dice effect on matter. Things are only probabilistic at the macroscopic level if you cannot understand what is going on at the quantum level, and our ability to understand what is going on at the quantum level is hindered by our inability to measure it with macroscopic tools and techniques.

In either case, I wouldn't say that even if a random probabilistic effect were happening at the quantum level that this would mean stuff like matter were non-existent. Non-existence is really a semantic designation at the end of the day, but in my worldview, there is no reason to assume things which exist in practice don't tangibly exist. If tangibility is an imaginary effect entirely, then something still might be real as a product of imaginary effect either way.




Wow, this is a deepest post ive read on this site. Gonna have to take a while to digest.:thumbup:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28197861 - 02/21/23 06:00 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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split_by_nine said:
ive never been to a church service. not even once:rockon:




I think you should try it then, what with being open minded and all, you might find some value, even if you don't agree with the sermon.


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Invisiblesplit_by_nine
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28197862 - 02/21/23 06:01 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

ill pass, thanks. i can think of a hundred things id rather be doing


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp] * 3
    #28197863 - 02/21/23 06:01 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Patrickkin is awesome.:heart:


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