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If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements
    #27964244 - 09/23/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

New to mushroom cultivation and was trying to find research without much success.  If cost was of no importance, and you just wanted to maximize yields and growth vigor per pound of substrate, what would you use and what would you add?  I've seen people adding exotic things to their cordyceps and other mushroom substrates, like multivitamins and various extracts.  Was wondering where I could find the latest research on this.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: andyjeff]
    #27966747 - 09/24/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

ive heard hemp waste cost a little more, but is a great substrate, producing much higher yeilds.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: ellomello]
    #27967032 - 09/25/22 07:13 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It really depends. Most species is master's mix. Shiitake is like 40% what brand, and maitaki might be like 30-35 wheat or soy. Cordyceps are the most unique in their substrate formation also in that they are ascomyceyes compared to Basidiomycetes so they are a different phylum altogether.
It also depends on where your at, what's affordable and also consistently available.




Do you have links for that info ellomello?



My opinion Cordyceps subs are unnecessarily complex and more trials seem to be proving that with more and more basic mixtures. However rice seems to be the consistent additive between them.
Also I found a study relating the addition of soy peptone into the cultures was increasing cordycepine content, but almost negligibly.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: Farm3r] * 3
    #27967493 - 09/25/22 12:29 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

it's a great lecture, highly recommend watching all 4 parts,
it's mostly beginners info, but all good review for anyone.
this is part two where he mentions using hemp waste...


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: ellomello]
    #27971751 - 09/28/22 07:30 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you for this!  Very interesting.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: andyjeff]
    #27997495 - 10/13/22 08:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery!

This hobby is all about experimenting and learning from your work.

My money is on the grains collected from bunch grasses at the summit of mount kilaminjaro with a handful of Pika poop from the few remaining colonies at high altitude in Utah.

YMMV

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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: Jaksavage] * 1
    #27998416 - 10/14/22 10:30 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

if money is no problem get yourself a nice big flow hood. in fact buy a round for the whole gang
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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: andyjeff] * 2
    #28002578 - 10/17/22 01:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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If cost was of no importance, and you just wanted to maximize yields and growth vigor per pound of substrate, what would you use and what would you add? 




I mean nobody wants to give away the secrets and all but.... word on the street is that it involves using a 1/2 inch casing layer made of dry jiffy yellow cake mix fortified with a cup of nutritional yeast and 3 ml cod liver oil. Mist heavily after casing to solidify the crust and lock in the moisture content.

just dont tell anyone


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28005597 - 10/18/22 10:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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if money is no problem get yourself a nice big flow hood. in fact buy a round for the whole gang
:carlton:




For a living I make professional laminar flow hoods. These things are 20,000 too 100,000 USD. They have input valves for all different kinds of gases which was new to me. Pure oxygen, CO2, helium etc etc..  All pushed right in the flow coming from the hepas UpTop. Beautiful objects. Some as big as a bedroom! I'll just keep my homemade one for less than 300.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: livelogikal]
    #28023907 - 10/30/22 12:58 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Really depends on species, but prob just masters mix. I’ve been wanting to mess with sugar cane bagasse tho


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: andyjeff]
    #28108468 - 12/22/22 10:17 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Research shows notable variability in response to different substrates, supplements, and compositions in a strain dependent manner, so I don't believe master's mix is all that for every wood lover.

Research has found 5% addition of seaweed powder improved production characteristics. Certain amounts of humic substances, nitrogen supplements like soy meal, fixed with formaldehyde or a coating of lipid or protein, for delayed release, various acricultural byproducts as supplements, triacontanol, gibberellin, brassinolide, anecdotally rock dust, worm castings, and so on. Dolomite lime and triple superphosphate..... There's a lot out there in the primary literature, but it always varies by strain, so for your strain you have to experiment with these things to find the optimum composition for the ideal response.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: Serpinfold]
    #28108576 - 12/22/22 11:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I was reading that seaweed deposits are actually a great location to look for coastal pan cyans in my region, and rumored to be a component of what increases the native potency, so I'm not surprised it made your list.

It's important to remember that master's mix isn't the best for every variety of woodlover and people frequently make modifications from 50/50 to 80/20 based on the mushroom. On a cost basis, master's mix is just incredibly effective for a low cost, which is what matters if you are selling mushrooms for a profit.

In evaluating answers for the question in this thread it is important to not conflate what is cheapest and easiest to use vs what is best to use because what is best likely changes when taking profit out of the equation.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: cooleko]
    #28108698 - 12/22/22 12:57 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

my supplement; seaweed powder, coffee grounds, cannabis fiber, worm casting...
If I'm going to mix, I add a little bit of each.


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: livelogikal]
    #28192436 - 02/18/23 12:38 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

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Quote:

Bakedbeings said:
if money is no problem get yourself a nice big flow hood. in fact buy a round for the whole gang
:carlton:




For a living I make professional laminar flow hoods. These things are 20,000 too 100,000 USD. They have input valves for all different kinds of gases which was new to me. Pure oxygen, CO2, helium etc etc..  All pushed right in the flow coming from the hepas UpTop. Beautiful objects. Some as big as a bedroom! I'll just keep my homemade one for less than 300.




That's crazy, do you know what the purpose of mixing pure gases into the air is? I've seen lab hoods with gas hook ups to attach accessories to, but never heard of a hood that mixes gases into the air...


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: nakadash1] * 1
    #28192604 - 02/18/23 07:09 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Gold n the substrates and diamonds as casing layers?
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...and obvs human placenta for the cordys 


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Re: If cost were no object - best yielding substrates and supplements [Re: bw86] * 2
    #28192609 - 02/18/23 07:16 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

The one that's inoculated with an axenic culture that you've specifically selected to perform best.

The unlimited funds would be far better spent on culture work.


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