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Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) * 2
    #28191537 - 02/17/23 12:12 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

So, today it's been reported that Fox News personalities, up to and including the head honcho, have been testifying under oath that they never believed the bullshit that Trump was peddling regarding election fraud. Further proof of the big lie.

Rhetorical question time: Any thoughts on whether this will finally shut up all the right wingers spewing stolen election nonsense?

Answer: Of course not, if the fact that there is no proof of election fraud won't shut them up, this won't either. They are weak-minded individuals who would rather live in their own fantasies than have to face a world where they might be wrong.

Edit to include links to articles:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media/fox-news-stars-executives-court-documents/index.html

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157558299/fox-news-stars-false-claims-trump-election-2020

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a42951883/fox-news-hosts-2020-election-fraud/


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28191709 - 02/17/23 01:58 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

I'm beginning to think that the secret of a popular Political forum post is to not answer your own question in the opening post. :grin:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 2
    #28191778 - 02/17/23 02:53 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

"How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!"

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: VP123] * 1
    #28191869 - 02/17/23 03:54 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

Fox is going to lose big time on this lawsuit. The evidence is overwhelming that the hosts didn’t believe any of the stuff they were saying about dominion. There’s also overwhelming evidence they lied because they didn’t want to alienate viewers.

But the fact is that you will not be able to convince most of these people of anything that counters what they want to believe.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28192319 - 02/17/23 09:35 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

CNN & MSNBC Democrats are furious to learn they may share similar opinions as some employees at Fox.  Look at how they are melting down. It's strange anyone would think every employee of an organization would have exactly the same viewpoint. Especially considering Fox News consistently employs far left Democrats. 

Let's not forget the OG Big Lie - that Russia stole the 2016 election and Putin installed his pick to be POTUS.  Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff, John Lewis, and many other Dem leaders all repeated this nonsense. For 4 years.  Millions want to forget.  It's amazing.

Hoping a $20 billion or $50 billion Dominion lawsuit win will change anything at Fox is like hoping that Kanye will soon be sharing a tent down by the river with Alex Jones.  Nope - that's not how the world works. That's fantasyland.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28192393 - 02/17/23 10:46 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

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CNN & MSNBC Democrats are furious to learn they may share similar opinions as some employees at Fox.



One of the most entertaining forms of right wing discourse is when they think they know what makes democrats angry or scared.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 3
    #28192469 - 02/18/23 01:41 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

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CNN & MSNBC Democrats are furious to learn they may share similar opinions as some employees at Fox.  Look at how they are melting down. It's strange anyone would think every employee of an organization would have exactly the same viewpoint. Especially considering Fox News consistently employs far left Democrats. 

Let's not forget the OG Big Lie - that Russia stole the 2016 election and Putin installed his pick to be POTUS.  Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff, John Lewis, and many other Dem leaders all repeated this nonsense. For 4 years.  Millions want to forget.  It's amazing.

Hoping a $20 billion or $50 billion Dominion lawsuit win will change anything at Fox is like hoping that Kanye will soon be sharing a tent down by the river with Alex Jones.  Nope - that's not how the world works. That's fantasyland.



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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 2
    #28192514 - 02/18/23 03:49 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Yeah, Hannity and Carlson were trying to get a female Fox News figure fired because her anti-election steal reporting was hurting ratings. They were afraid of losing ratings to new outlets positioning themselves to the right of Fox.

But that makes for great supporting evidence in the voting machine company's defamation lawsuit. I've come to accept Fox News et al will stay the most popular, and you can't fix stupid, and some of their followers are my friends because we've learned to stop discussing politics.

It seems the only way to fight right wing news is to bleed them dry when they completely cross the line.

On several fronts, another being guns, law suits is the new tactic.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 4
    #28192726 - 02/18/23 09:01 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Exposing dirt on Fox News is not exactly the own that you think it is.

Fox News is part of the same mega-corrupt propaganda network as all of the other major media channels. They are merely controlled opposition. They pretend to retain conservative characteristics while at the same time controlling the narrative and keeping it contained within certain parameters I.E. support for Ukraine & MIC propaganda. This helps to keep the conservative-leaning boomers in check since they still watch TV while everyone else has moved on.

Fox News is just as much part of the establishment as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

I don't know why you think this is some kind of huge reveal? Like.. what? Asking what someone like Sean Hannity thinks for example is no better than asking someone like Rachel Maddow. They both suffer from a complete and total lack of any credibility, as do the vast majority of MSM puppets.





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They are weak-minded individuals who would rather live in their own fantasies than have to face a world where they might be wrong.





Congratulations, you just described more than 50% of the US population.

There are very few people willing to face the full truth in this country, and I can assure you that you are not one of them.

Because if you did face the full truth, you would be forced to accept that both the "right" and "left" are fundamentally flawed at their core, that there is a criminal gang of profoundly evil individuals manipulating events from behind the scenes, that you yourself have suffered to a degree from their manipulation, that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.

One last thing.. if you seriously read stuff from places like CNN, NPR, Esquire, etc, with a straight face... then you might as well change your avatar to an NPC because you are definitely not some kind of Anon-rebel, Lmao.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: chopstick]
    #28192758 - 02/18/23 09:21 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

What if chopstick is teleporting into the Shroomery while he’s sleeping


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28192809 - 02/18/23 10:08 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I want to know why he's not a big influencer already


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28192816 - 02/18/23 10:20 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I am not on the “right” but I have never believed a single election was not rigged, it makes no sense for them to allow honest and fair elections, none of us can count all those votes and none of us have access to the actual count info soooo...


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: chopstick]
    #28192878 - 02/18/23 11:13 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

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Exposing dirt on Fox News is not exactly the own that you think it is.

Fox News is part of the same mega-corrupt propaganda network as all of the other major media channels. They are merely controlled opposition. They pretend to retain conservative characteristics while at the same time controlling the narrative and keeping it contained within certain parameters I.E. support for Ukraine & MIC propaganda. This helps to keep the conservative-leaning boomers in check since they still watch TV while everyone else has moved on.

Fox News is just as much part of the establishment as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

I don't know why you think this is some kind of huge reveal? Like.. what? Asking what someone like Sean Hannity thinks for example is no better than asking someone like Rachel Maddow. They both suffer from a complete and total lack of any credibility, as do the vast majority of MSM puppets.





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Randar said:
They are weak-minded individuals who would rather live in their own fantasies than have to face a world where they might be wrong.





Congratulations, you just described more than 50% of the US population.

There are very few people willing to face the full truth in this country, and I can assure you that you are not one of them.

Because if you did face the full truth, you would be forced to accept that both the "right" and "left" are fundamentally flawed at their core, that there is a criminal gang of profoundly evil individuals manipulating events from behind the scenes, that you yourself have suffered to a degree from their manipulation, that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.

One last thing.. if you seriously read stuff from places like CNN, NPR, Esquire, etc, with a straight face... then you might as well change your avatar to an NPC because you are definitely not some kind of Anon-rebel, Lmao.





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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle] * 1
    #28194070 - 02/19/23 04:21 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

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I am not on the “right” but I have never believed a single election was not rigged, it makes no sense for them to allow honest and fair elections, none of us can count all those votes and none of us have access to the actual count info soooo...




Not going to argue on every single vote being right, but when the Republicans started this election fraud narrative, the investigations and recounts usually ended up giving the Dems a few more votes or were thrown out of court for being groundless. I would be more suspicious of local elections. When the stakes are large there is a lot of oversight.

And I'm getting great enjoyment from the progress of the lawsuits that the voting machine companies filed against FOX and Trump insiders. There's always lying in politics, but it got so out of hand and taking their money seems more effective than other avenues of recourse.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28194258 - 02/19/23 09:23 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

You are creating a narrative right now, I just told you I have not trusted any election, millions of us doubt the elections are real at all... it’s not a republican thing.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle] * 1
    #28194284 - 02/19/23 09:46 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

I find people who hold these two beliefs simultaneously to be increasingly common

1)The two parties in the US have NO meaningful differences between them

and

2)US elections are completely rigged, stolen etc.


If 1 is true, then why waste an iota of effort on 2?  This makes no sense to me at all :confused:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
    #28194287 - 02/19/23 09:51 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Explain further....


If I did not believe or trust the two parties, how could I trust the elections, certainly I have no chance when the decision has already been made... right?

There are actually THOUSANDS of parties, however, most of them do not support what the two legacy parties support so there is coordinated effort against any third party or independent voter.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28194331 - 02/19/23 10:27 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

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I find people who hold these two beliefs simultaneously to be increasingly common

1)The two parties in the US have NO meaningful differences between them

and

2)US elections are completely rigged, stolen etc.


If 1 is true, then why waste an iota of effort on 2?  This makes no sense to me at all :confused:




1 depends on a person's definition of meaningful difference.  This metric might change depending on circumstances.  Meaningful difference might mean something very different for me, a straight, white, male and a black, trans woman, as an example.

This is coming from someone who sees little to no difference between the parties and, in fact, believes that the political duopoly in the U.S. is not only harmful but actually malicious in nature


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28194345 - 02/19/23 10:47 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Exactly...

I believe the two parties are identical in the sense of their end focus is money and power, however, I think they operate differently towards that goal. Red uses Constitutionalism to manipulate their base and blue uses Socialism to manipulate their base.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28194395 - 02/19/23 11:34 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

If the end result remains the same, would it not be in the parties respective interests to maintain the populaces faith in fair elections?  Seems to me, the one true way to really get the people up in arms, is to make them doubt the validity of elections (as we have seen already).  The losing group can always be mollified by the belief they have a fair chance to "win next time".  Take that away, and why wouldn't some try to overthrow those in power, as they now believe they have no other way of achieving their ends. 

The political parties sowing doubt into the fairness of elections seems to be insanely myopic, and likely why it has never really occurred on a large scale until recently when a cult of personality megalomaniac did it.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
    #28194398 - 02/19/23 11:37 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

I don’t think so, I think it would be in their interest to get any 3rd party voter out of the mix, anybody in their party or their base would rather the 1v1. The people voting for them fully trust the elections until they lose. The people who actually don’t trust the elections are the ones who have lost everytime for decades.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28194419 - 02/19/23 11:55 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Do you think you could ever get elected to a local office? Or are those elections decided by a conspiracy too?


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Lynnch]
    #28194425 - 02/19/23 12:00 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

It depends on the laws considering criminal history, however, I think in many cases the average Joe could partake in duties as public officials but in most cases there are obvious conspiracies controlling local governments. In my city money talks, if you pass certain types of bills you can become famous and have enormous checks cut for you. My city is notoriously corrupt when it comes to public officials and corporate manipulation.

I do think in smaller towns it’s much less of an issue.


Edit for clarity: when I use the word conspiracy I am simply referring to 2 parties working on a common goal together in secrecy

No hocus pocus or lizard people


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28194840 - 02/19/23 04:48 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Quote:

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Edit for clarity: when I use the word conspiracy I am simply referring to 2 parties working on a common goal together in secrecy

No hocus pocus or lizard people




That "definition" seems way too broad and unspecific about the important bits.

Dude...by your definition I may as well be part of the Illuminaughty. 

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28194851 - 02/19/23 04:55 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

I literally said “no hocus pocus or lizard people”

Conspiracy doesn’t imply “spooky unexplainable thing”, it implies that people work together in secrecy to make things happen, Mayors often get into power with the support of private organizations and companies who donate to their campaign. They do not share their communications, they make deals in private and exchange money for influence over the city. This is common knowledge and is known as conspiracy.

There is nothing weird, unusual or out of place about most conspiracies...

You are referring to the trigger phrase “conspiracy theories” which is a broad blanket term to use when describing any idea that revolves around conspiracy.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28194854 - 02/19/23 04:55 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

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when I use the word conspiracy I am simply referring to 2 parties working on a common goal together in secrecy





Next time I want a discreet tryst with my GF, I am going to ask if she wants to engage in a conspiracy with me.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
    #28194859 - 02/19/23 04:58 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

:naughty:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
    #28194868 - 02/19/23 05:05 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

The act of asking and agreeing to have sex would be the conspiring.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28194876 - 02/19/23 05:14 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Depends on what kind of sex they engage in and where they do it at wrt whatever the law has to say about it. 

In my area you can be brought up on charges for doing the dirty out in public...but it seems unlikely that they'd also be brought up on conspiracy charges for it too.  Dig?

Hell, I could be wrong.  :shrug:

Ask Enlilio.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28195122 - 02/19/23 07:34 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Okay, but the existence of money and power structures is not the same thing as the elections being rigged.
Candidates with institutional backing and huge war chests fail at the polls all the time.

It's true that we have two neoliberal parties with a shared interest in maintaining our capitalist system. But that doesn't mean individual actors within that system don't have other conflicting interests and goals.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Lynnch]
    #28195264 - 02/19/23 08:45 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Im not one of those who believes that politics is a meer base struggle for place and plunder. Where the profoundest vascality and deepest purse always wins. For most it is so to have lived to make someone better for you to having lived. :sadyes:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28195337 - 02/19/23 09:40 PM (11 months, 23 hours ago)

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Exactly...

I believe the two parties are identical in the sense of their end focus is money and power, however, I think they operate differently towards that goal. Red uses Constitutionalism to manipulate their base and blue uses Socialism to manipulate their base.




Socialism? Name one policy goal that is remotely socialist


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods] * 1
    #28195346 - 02/19/23 09:50 PM (11 months, 23 hours ago)

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I do think in smaller towns it’s much less of an issue.




Smaller towns are the most corrupt. Often time, the budgets of small towns depend on the police generating income by extracting fines for anything they can. There’s very little oversight of small town governments.


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    #28195353 - 02/19/23 09:59 PM (11 months, 23 hours ago)

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I literally said “no hocus pocus or lizard people”

Conspiracy doesn’t imply “spooky unexplainable thing”, it implies that people work together in secrecy to make things happen, Mayors often get into power with the support of private organizations and companies who donate to their campaign. They do not share their communications, they make deals in private and exchange money for influence over the city. This is common knowledge and is known as conspiracy.

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28195369 - 02/19/23 10:31 PM (11 months, 22 hours ago)

And?

It's also illegal to grow cubes in most states.  Yet here we are. :lol:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: chopstick]
    #28195669 - 02/20/23 07:05 AM (11 months, 14 hours ago)

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that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.




Could PLEASE tell us in all your jizzdom exactly what "spiritual war" is going on to "control the human race" and exactly which side is "the right side" and just exactly which/what "current beliefs and biases that need to be let go" in order to be ok/be on the "winning" side? :rolleyes: I would adore your detailed explanation.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28195671 - 02/20/23 07:07 AM (11 months, 14 hours ago)

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I do think in smaller towns it’s much less of an issue.




Smaller towns are the most corrupt. Often time, the budgets of small towns depend on the police generating income by extracting fines for anything they can. There’s very little oversight of small town governments.



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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #28195852 - 02/20/23 10:10 AM (11 months, 11 hours ago)

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that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.




Could PLEASE tell us in all your jizzdom exactly what "spiritual war" is going on to "control the human race" and exactly which side is "the right side" and just exactly which/what "current beliefs and biases "need to be let go" in order to be ok/be on the "winning" side? :rolleyes: I would adore your detailed explanation.



We would all love that. Unfortunately it's just some stupid nebulous bullshit he posts to make himself seem like he knows something we don't.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #28200770 - 02/23/23 02:02 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.




Could PLEASE tell us in all your jizzdom exactly what "spiritual war" is going on to "control the human race" and exactly which side is "the right side" and just exactly which/what "current beliefs and biases that need to be let go" in order to be ok/be on the "winning" side? :rolleyes: I would adore your detailed explanation.




I posted a pretty long answer to your question here.

TLDR: The Neocons took over America and now they are dragging the entire planet down into hell over their world domination plans.

Yes, it is a spiritual battle just as much as it is a physical one. And if you were one of the many, many victims of the empire, if you lived in Syria or East Ukraine or Libya or Iraq or any other country they have destroyed you would understand this very, very well. There would be no doubts in your mind.

Sadly It's just far too easy for Westerners to just ignore everything that happens on the planet, live in a constant state of total ignorance and not care about anything or even attempt to be aware of anything major that is happening. It is a sinkhole of indifference from which there is no escape. You're probably not even aware, for example, that the United States is closer to war with Russia today than we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis. And this is due *entirely* to the influence of the Neocons over American foreign policy and the American mass media.

By the "right side" I don't mean any pre-defined political faction but rather to be in the group of folks who understand the true nature of what is taking place right now, whom have compassion in their hearts and want the necessary changes to come that are needed to heal the planet. All of the major events taking place at this time are all connected to this power struggle between the Neocons and their various proxies and minions versus the rest of humanity.

Make the effort to read my post, learn a thing or two about the Neocons and how they successfully wield large amounts of influence over the various levers of power within our country, and come to understand why this is a bad thing.

If you're not willing to make that effort then at-least admit to yourself that you will never have a full understanding of the forces that are at work influencing events in our present time, and perhaps you shouldn't judge those whom do make the effort just because you'd rather not have to deal with reality.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: chopstick] * 4
    #28200802 - 02/23/23 02:20 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Note this is the political forum, not the conspiracy theory forum. Save your neocon BS for that place.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
    #28200874 - 02/23/23 03:52 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28200883 - 02/23/23 03:58 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

It's actually crazy how close chopstick gets sometimes.  He gets some of the context but the conclusions are like, whoa.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28200919 - 02/23/23 04:16 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

I've been reading some of the opinion pieces in the Washington Examiner, and they read exactly the same. The conclusions they draw, the way the draw conclusions...honestly, even stylistically there are close similarities. Similar rhetorical devices, and similarly short, punchy paragraphs (though, I admit that this might just be a modern writing thing).

You have a paragraph that makes an assertion, followed by a paragraph that summarizes the previous assertion while reiterating some threat or dehumanizing language, over and over again. Choppy uses a little bit more foul language and is a little bit less sesquipedalian, though. (I've waited a while to use that)


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28200931 - 02/23/23 04:21 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

The guy who owns the Examiner owned The Weekly Standard, before it went under. The Weekly Standard was the journal for neocon political thought. :strokebeard:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28200976 - 02/23/23 04:43 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Kudos, I had to look that one up since "1.5 legged" didn't make enough sense


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28200980 - 02/23/23 04:45 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

It means 1 1/2 feet in length


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28201010 - 02/23/23 04:57 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

What?  I always thought it meant long-winded?


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Yeah but if you break the word into parts they mean "one and a half" and "relating to the foot"


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28201059 - 02/23/23 05:25 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Ah, you guys meant etymologically.  Here is how it came about, bolded is the important part:

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WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF SESQUIPEDALIAN?
Sesquipedalian comes directly from the Latin adjective sesquipedālis “having a (linear or square) measure of one and a half (Roman) feet.” Unsurprisingly, sesquipedālis is used in farming, military fortifications, architecture, and construction. The poet Horace (65–8 b.c.) uses the phrase sesquipedālia verba “words a foot and a half long” in his Ars Poetica (c19–18 b.c.), a poem in which Horace sets forth his ideas on “poetic art.” It is from Horace’s phrase that English has its only meaning “having or using very long words.” The first part of sesquipedālis is the adverb and prefix sesqui, sesque “one and a half times,” from an earlier, unrecorded sem(i)que, a contraction of sēmis “one half, a half more” and the generalizing particle –que. Pedālis is easy: it’s an adjective meaning “measuring a foot, a foot long, wide, deep, etc.,” a derivative of the noun pēs (inflectional stem ped-) “foot”; –ālis is a very common adjective suffix in Latin, the source of the English adjective suffix –al. Sesquipedalian entered English in the 17th century.




So long-winded was not a good synonym for me to pick, more like uses  10 dollar words.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
    #28201133 - 02/23/23 06:10 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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What?  I always thought it meant long-winded?




It’s a Latin word that literally meant 1 1/2 feet :shrug:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28202071 - 02/24/23 08:04 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.




That's the timeline that I associate with the word.

I didn't know this before, but apparently neocon and neoconservative are fairly different terms with the latter originally referring to 1960's Democrats and that retained the liberal social agenda but in reaction to the pacifist left, became hawkish on foreign policy. The term neoconservative was first popularized by the socialist figure, Michael Harrington, in reference to Daniel Bell, Irving Kristol, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Kristol self-identified himself as neoconservative in one of his book titles. The sociologist Seymour Lipsett argued that the term originated a little earlier as a pejorative that socialists used toward social democrats.

Neocon seemed to hit popularity as a term in usage with W Bush. At the risk of overgeneralizing, I would say the Democratic Presidents were neoconservatives (even including JFK and LBJ, but not much with Carter) and the Republican Presidents were neocons as conservative across the board.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28202104 - 02/24/23 08:29 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.




I wasn't saying that neocons aren't real. I was saying that the neocon conspiracy BS that was being peddled was not real.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said: I would be more suspicious of local elections.




I'd be most suspicious of local primary elections in districts with an overwhelming majority on one side or the other.

There's also just so much room for fraud, manipulation, and backroom deals before the polls open.


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    #28202728 - 02/24/23 02:52 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.



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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #28209346 - 03/01/23 11:03 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

It's sad that facts don't even matter these days.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/01/politics/fact-check-marjorie-taylor-greene-fentanyl-kiessling-trump-biden/index.html

My favorite part of the story:

Dyer responded in an email by asking whether CNN thinks the many Americans who have died from drugs under Biden “care about the details” of this particular case. He added, “Do you think they give a f**k about your bullsh*t fact checking?”

This coming from the spokesperson of the woman who called Joe Biden a liar.

Lesson of the story, facts don't matter to the right.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28209361 - 03/01/23 11:17 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

A private railroad company derailing a private train on private railroad tracks was blamed on Biden. There are no facts on the right. Whatever feels good is what they say.

As the dominion v Fox lawsuit has already shown us, the talking heads on the MSM know this. They know that they need to be careful with facts, least they alienate their GOP base.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28209492 - 03/01/23 01:17 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, WAPO never purposely lie to their viewers.

Only the horrendous evil news stations that support white supremacy do it  :smile:

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28209513 - 03/01/23 01:28 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, WAPO never purposely lie to their viewers.

Only the horrendous evil news stations that support white supremacy do it  :smile:

:migraine:




Examples of this occurring?

I have no doubt that the big networks make mistakes. The thing is, when they do, they come on air and correct them as they actually respect their viewers. You think Tucker Carlson and Hannity will be out apologizing for pushing crap they knew was a lie? You'll be waiting for a long time.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
    #28209520 - 03/01/23 01:32 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

You can't provide a single example when CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, or WAPO purposely lied and never apologized?

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28209522 - 03/01/23 01:33 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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You can't provide a single example when CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, or WAPO purposely lied and never apologized?

Not one time?




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Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.




I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.

It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.

CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election.  All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.

And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.

NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28209611 - 03/01/23 02:33 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

Rupert Murdochs whole business model is telling sweet lies that the Republican base wants to hear. He doesn't want to alienate his base with the truth. Those outlets are thousands of times more trustworthy than fox.


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Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.




I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.

It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.

CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election.  All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.




Provide specifics. Because it's been proven that Russia had an extensive campaign to sabotage the 2016 election in the favor of Trump. Even a Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee agreed about this.

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And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.

NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's hilarious to watch them freak out




That reason being?? I don't see anybody melting down about it, unless it's due to the potential for jeopardizing the security of the US Capitol...but that's not a good reason.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
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I'm wondering the same. You think they're freaking out because tucker Carlson has them and the other outlets don't?


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    #28209651 - 03/01/23 02:55 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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I'm wondering the same. You think they're freaking out because tucker Carlson has them and the other outlets don't?




That's probably a good reason. Especially since it's purely political in that Tucker has admitted in court he's not news.


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    #28209661 - 03/01/23 03:05 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

I've seen people mention that the other stations should sue to get the videos
I think they're right. Especially if they're public domain. Speaker of the house said that they're property of America why should fuckface charlatan get diba on them?


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    #28209759 - 03/01/23 04:29 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

Oann and lindell TV are both suing McCarthy for the tapes already.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28209761 - 03/01/23 04:30 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.




I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.

It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.

CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election.  All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.

And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.

NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's hilarious to watch them freak out




Can you provide a specific example that doesn't have a published retraction?


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28210341 - 03/01/23 09:49 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.




I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.

It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.

CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election.  All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.

And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.

NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's hilarious to watch them freak out




I think they’re having a meltdown because they were only released to Fox News, who are now self incriminated liars


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28211363 - 03/02/23 05:37 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

The point is, how do YOU know that they are facts?


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    #28211372 - 03/02/23 05:46 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

It's more of the level that was stooped to thats
So remarkable. Fuck these people.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28320875 - 05/15/23 05:43 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

It's starting to look like the Democrats claim that Russia stole the 2016 election was a hoax, says the Durham Report.  Hillary, Adam Schiff, and many other Democrat leaders spent years promising they had direct evidence that Trump was a Russian asset.

And Stephen Colbert is still waiting to see the pee pee tapes.

I miss the beautiful hysteria of 2017, when one bombshell story was that in 2013, when Trump was at the presidential suite at Moscow’s Ritz-Carlton Hotel, he watched two prostitutes urinate on a bed the Obamas supposedly slept in. 

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28320918 - 05/15/23 06:46 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

John Durham is a political hack and failed prosecutor. Biden should have fired him on day one.

trumps bodyguard in Moscow did say that he had to turn away a bunch of prostitutes sent to his room.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28320933 - 05/15/23 06:58 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

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Randar said:

Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.




I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.

It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.

CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election.  All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.

And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.

NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's hilarious to watch them freak out




It’s been months. Where are the tapes? You guys are the biggest suckers in the world


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28320956 - 05/15/23 07:19 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

Rj
You go ahead and hang your hat on Durham.  His report said no one did anything wrong as an admission even though he left out his trial that had twelve jurors say innocent.  On the other hand the stations you mentioned did report on guilty pleas and convictions of manaford-guilty, gates-guilty, Papadopoulos-guilty, stone-guilty, flyn-guilty and my fingers are starting to hurt and so I will leave the rest for later when you say hoax, hoax, hoax... and run back to durham.  What about the republican led senate report, why do you guys never tout that?
Come on man enough is enough, how can anyone report on what you claim unless they want to join in making up facts?  You don't even do anything but say trust me and news should not be like that.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: gww] * 1
    #28321047 - 05/15/23 08:29 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

What’s terrifying is that …

the F.B.I.  - the most powerful investigative force on the planet - was used as and acted as a political weapon.  The constitutional violations were an offense to every single citizen of the United States.  The gov’t should not be setting people up… (see also M. Flynn.). That’s a bad thing.  That’s a very bad thing.

When this was all going down, main stream liberal media absolutely happened.  It was a real thing.  It was government directed social control.  Rachel Maddow, and ever other pundit, was telling you every 30 minutes for 3 years(!!) that Trump was a spy - that he’d colluded with Mother Russia to cheat on an election! (Oh, the irony) - and that his election was illegitimate.  Illegitimate! (you actually said that, “Trump is not my President.”)  Hell, you also said, “Impeachment Begins!!” Uh, before he was sworn in……..  I digress.

Congress halted progress over this.  They ran investigations on this complete LIE (that they too knew was a lie as the FBI admitted there was nothing there) - yet, told you it was TRUE - Trump had colluded.  Adam Schiff came right out and said it over, and over and over and over and over (and he was on every single channel, repeatedly.)

Now, pile onto the fact that the major trafficker of information, Google, manipulated society to (essentially only) see and be force fed that story (lie).  Oh, and of course have it’s partners, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, etc., all promote the lie and censor the truth. Rinse and repeat of course with COVID…

It was a trifecta - a very powerful trifecta of driving public sentiment (again, all over an absolute, fucking lie.)

Was this the first time the FBI purposefully drove sentiment?  I think it’s likely to have been common, sadly.  However, with the efficiency gains in information distribution and control, it’s scary how quickly sentiment can be built, people aligned and ultimately mobilized. This of course is the main fear behind AI - the evil among humanity taking control.

Look what they built from an objective.  And, we paid for them to do it - not only with our money, but with our liberties, freedoms and dignity.

That all being the case, what’s terrifying anyway is that to some, this is not a big, big, big fucking problem….  What’s terrifying is to see how far people can be taken and how deeply they can be “assumed.”  On a smaller, but highly impactful scale, Facebook not so quietly admitted their algorithm is designed to create exactly this - “alignment” - and that it is quite and demonstrably successful.  Truly, terrifying.  Logic has absolutely zero (none whatsoever) effect.  Terrifying.

I was fascinated with this as it was playing out.  I mean I followed the flow and chased threads.  There are a couple of threads ie. Gina Haspel, that I never saw close(d). 

Government, with resources we could not possibly hope to fathom.  Do they own us or do we own them?  It was supposed to be the latter.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Bobgas] * 2
    #28321146 - 05/15/23 09:40 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

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    #28321164 - 05/15/23 10:09 PM (8 months, 9 days ago)

Bobgas
Adam shift didn't have to say anything cause we all heard the perfect call.  The media had a side but except for fox, mostly used facts to argue.  People are not so stupid to not believe their own eyes and ears that went along with the reporting.  Nothing to Russia huh?  The very last town hall on cnn trump could not even say he wanted Russia to lose the war.  Election fraud, so we believe that 5 states, every election poll worker and all the courts in the land are all in on it and that is the easiest thing to believe?  Flyn hanging out with Qanon or just using them is fake or saying trump should just enact marshal law was not heard from his mouth?  Durham can't get a conviction but his is better the the FBI. You do realize a jury of peers is the same for both side don't you?  Give me a break.  Every body is crazy but you are right?  Don't believe our eyes even though we also watch 4 stupid years of trump at the microphone saying what he was saying as well as on calls.  There have been calls for bidens impeachment before he even took office.  All presidents have opposition but not all president are so bad at their jobs or are so crooked and dumb that it means anything more then the fringes of each party just staking ground. 

You may buy into the defenses like it was blm or Antifa or hunter bidens laptop as an excuse to do anything but people seen the trump hats and auschwitz tee shirts with their own eyes and seen the taking down of the American flag.  Everybody but you knows it was not all a big lie.  It may have been played for all it was worth but everybody that did not insulate them selves through only watching fox news, Qanon and conspiracy theories and wanted the truth could see with their own eyes. They also have the sense to know that with as many people being involved in as big of a conspiracy as you put forth holding together with no one breaking with smoking gun proof of who was behind it is just not logical.

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28321260 - 05/16/23 12:32 AM (8 months, 8 days ago)

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It's starting to look like the Democrats claim that Russia stole the 2016 election was a hoax, says the Durham Report.  Hillary, Adam Schiff, and many other Democrat leaders spent years promising they had direct evidence that Trump was a Russian asset.

And Stephen Colbert is still waiting to see the pee pee tapes.

I miss the beautiful hysteria of 2017, when one bombshell story was that in 2013, when Trump was at the presidential suite at Moscow’s Ritz-Carlton Hotel, he watched two prostitutes urinate on a bed the Obamas supposedly slept in. 

God Bless America :heart: 

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Well, when it's stops starting to look like and becomes actually looks like, then I expect retractions will be published. Until then, it actually looks like...well, a bunch of people taking an opinion columnist way too seriously.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Bobgas] * 1
    #28321267 - 05/16/23 12:38 AM (8 months, 8 days ago)

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What’s terrifying is that …

the F.B.I.  - the most powerful investigative force on the planet - was used as and acted as a political weapon.  The constitutional violations were an offense to every single citizen of the United States.  The gov’t should not be setting people up… (see also M. Flynn.). That’s a bad thing.  That’s a very bad thing.

When this was all going down, main stream liberal media absolutely happened.  It was a real thing.  It was government directed social control.  Rachel Maddow, and ever other pundit, was telling you every 30 minutes for 3 years(!!) that Trump was a spy - that he’d colluded with Mother Russia to cheat on an election! (Oh, the irony) - and that his election was illegitimate.  Illegitimate! (you actually said that, “Trump is not my President.”)  Hell, you also said, “Impeachment Begins!!” Uh, before he was sworn in……..  I digress.

Congress halted progress over this.  They ran investigations on this complete LIE (that they too knew was a lie as the FBI admitted there was nothing there) - yet, told you it was TRUE - Trump had colluded.  Adam Schiff came right out and said it over, and over and over and over and over (and he was on every single channel, repeatedly.)

Now, pile onto the fact that the major trafficker of information, Google, manipulated society to (essentially only) see and be force fed that story (lie).  Oh, and of course have it’s partners, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, etc., all promote the lie and censor the truth. Rinse and repeat of course with COVID…

It was a trifecta - a very powerful trifecta of driving public sentiment (again, all over an absolute, fucking lie.)

Was this the first time the FBI purposefully drove sentiment?  I think it’s likely to have been common, sadly.  However, with the efficiency gains in information distribution and control, it’s scary how quickly sentiment can be built, people aligned and ultimately mobilized. This of course is the main fear behind AI - the evil among humanity taking control.

Look what they built from an objective.  And, we paid for them to do it - not only with our money, but with our liberties, freedoms and dignity.

That all being the case, what’s terrifying anyway is that to some, this is not a big, big, big fucking problem….  What’s terrifying is to see how far people can be taken and how deeply they can be “assumed.”  On a smaller, but highly impactful scale, Facebook not so quietly admitted their algorithm is designed to create exactly this - “alignment” - and that it is quite and demonstrably successful.  Truly, terrifying.  Logic has absolutely zero (none whatsoever) effect.  Terrifying.

I was fascinated with this as it was playing out.  I mean I followed the flow and chased threads.  There are a couple of threads ie. Gina Haspel, that I never saw close(d). 

Government, with resources we could not possibly hope to fathom.  Do they own us or do we own them?  It was supposed to be the latter.




Who seriously listens to Rachel maddow? She's like democrat tucker Carlson. A sideshow clown.

FBI has always been a political entity. Normally, it targets the left. This time, it cannot ignore the right.

I believe someone else was chanting something about Obama being not their president before?

I also believe that Biden was the president against whom impeachment was technically filed before he was sworn in, by Marge three name. Trump was not impeached until what, halfway through his term?

Facebook and Twitter have both admitted to amplifying conservative voices.

The only terrifying "alignment" is the red hat movement. Y'all are violent.


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    #28321310 - 05/16/23 02:31 AM (8 months, 8 days ago)

I remember the FBI director telling the American people that the FBI was reopening their investigation into Clinton days before the election, while not saying a peep about Trump being under investigation as well. Yeah, the FBI was totally in the tank for Clinton. People are so fucking stupid.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28321830 - 05/16/23 10:52 AM (8 months, 8 days ago)

No amount of logic.... assumed and obedient, sustained by the teat.  Some are in far too deep.


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    #28322090 - 05/16/23 03:09 PM (8 months, 8 days ago)

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TLDR: it's bad when the FBI investigates crimes and catches criminals if the investigation involves diaper don




But just fine if its part of spying on MLK or COINTEL pro.

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No amount of logic.... assumed and obedient, sustained by the teat.  Some are in far too deep.




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    #28322960 - 05/17/23 08:54 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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No amount of logic.... assumed and obedient, sustained by the teat.  Some are in far too deep.




Indeed, indeed.




Care to enter into a fact based debate, where any statement that you cannot back up with source content evidence has to be stricken?  Only rule is that you must be able to cite only source content as foundational support for any statement or assertion you make.

Only caveat is that if you lose, you must change your stance, opinion and perspective.

As a test, to see if it's worthwhile, I'd like you to disprove, with verifiable evidence anything I stated in my post...  give it your best shot.


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    #28322978 - 05/17/23 09:04 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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Who seriously listens to Rachel maddow? She's like democrat tucker Carlson. A sideshow clown. According to the Nielson ratings, Rachel Maddow was the most watched primetime show on cable (on the left) by far, drawing up to a 2M audience nightly - that is until she was taken down because the jig was up.  You were all properly aligned and controlled and her job was done.  That said, try reading Sport.  It's a really important skill to develop. I said all of the left was verbal diarrhea about Trump Russia collusion nonstop.  The goal of this was to drive sentiment, and it worked masterfully.

FBI has always been a political entity. Normally, it targets the left. BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Substantiation for this statement?  Are you claiming this as fact?  If so, cite your sources.  In any case, it does not matter.  What matters is the Trump Russia collusion story that was clearly, factually and completely a DoJ coup against the American people.This time, it cannot ignore the right.

I believe someone else was chanting something about Obama being not their president before?  BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Yeah, uh, ok.  All Presidents have detractors, by definition.  We have never seen anything like how you idiots acted toward Trump.  This is because you idiots fell for the conditioning, as stated above.

I also believe that Biden was the president against whom impeachment was technically filed before he was sworn in, by Marge three name. Trump was not impeached until what, halfway through his term? Joe actually deserves to be impeached.  Follow the facts.  Regardless, no President, other than Trump, was Impeached for purely partisan reasons.

Facebook and Twitter have both admitted to amplifying conservative voices.OMG - BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  The scary thing is that you actually believe this?  Please, please, please say it isn't so!  No one can be this far gone.  Zuckerberg paid in excess of 400M to effect the elections of the United States.  These are Libtard strongholds (I can't believe I actually have to state that.)  You Zombies are that far gone.

The only terrifying "alignment" is the red hat movement. Y'all are violent.  BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Uh, the red hat movement was just proven RIGHT with Durham's report.  Oh, and you might want to look up the cost of the "Summer of Love" there Champ.  And, while you are at it, just be careful to not run afoul of your bretheren, lest you become a victim of cancel culture.  It's exceedingly amazing just how deeply your idiocy and subversion goes.




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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Bobgas]
    #28322992 - 05/17/23 09:14 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Oh wow is somebody going to jail due to the Durham report?  Oh, no that's right, his report said no one broke the law. It even admitted there was cause to look and the two times he did try to claim wrongness, the 12 jurors of our peers unanimously said no.
Jeeze.
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    #28323410 - 05/17/23 02:13 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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Oh wow is somebody going to jail due to the Durham report?  Oh, no that's right, his report said no one broke the law. It even admitted there was cause to look and the two times he did try to claim wrongness, the 12 jurors of our peers unanimously said no.
Jeeze.
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BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  He did NOT say that no one broke the law.  He indicted 3 people with direct crimes, Sussman, Clinesmith (guilty) and Danchenko. 

Trial by peers - you mean the libtards of Washington DC, a liberal cauldron of stupidity and obedience - those are said unbiased peers???  Uh, yeah.  OK.  Actually, at and after Sussman's trial, he literally stated that the FBI were liars and that their acts were unlawful.  Sussman's jury literally contained people chummy with both Sussman as well as Hillary.

Durhman furthermore directly stated Russian Collusion was all made up - by Hillary - (in addition to the Alfa Bank hoax) and that Brennan briefed Obama and Biden to this fact.  Obama of course did nothing - the corrupt pos.

You people are literally clueless.  You know nothing.  You do not rely on facts.  You have no idea what the facts actually are.  You parrot the nonsense of talking heads who tell you what to believe and to think.  You do not validate anything.  Yet you spout this nonsense completely believing what you have to "say" has merit.  It doesn't.  It's fake.  It's nonsense.  It's completely without merit.  It's pathetic.

You are puppets.

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Bobgas]
    #28323459 - 05/17/23 02:50 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Bobgas
Durham and the defense get to participate in a trial with both having say in jury selection.  Take a civics class so you are not clueless and then come back and discuss some more.  Just because Durham was not good at his job and then complains about others does not make something a fact.
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    #28323462 - 05/17/23 02:52 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Bobgas is not here to discuss. Bobgas is here to say BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! And hurl childish insults.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Bobgas]
    #28323464 - 05/17/23 02:55 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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No amount of logic.... assumed and obedient, sustained by the teat.  Some are in far too deep.




Indeed, indeed.




Care to enter into a fact based debate, where any statement that you cannot back up with source content evidence has to be stricken?  Only rule is that you must be able to cite only source content as foundational support for any statement or assertion you make.

Only caveat is that if you lose, you must change your stance, opinion and perspective.

As a test, to see if it's worthwhile, I'd like you to disprove, with verifiable evidence anything I stated in my post...  give it your best shot.








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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: B Traven] * 2
    #28323471 - 05/17/23 02:59 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

They aren't really operating under even the veneer of civility, though.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
    #28324290 - 05/18/23 02:33 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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They aren't really operating under even the veneer of civility, though.




I thought about that.

But he did suddenly try to randomly default to a "civil debate" after calling us all sheeple.

And it was just too irresistible not to post that after I was challenged to produce "references" for....I'm still not sure exactly what. My initial statement is backed up by his post history lol


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28330838 - 05/23/23 06:42 AM (8 months, 1 day ago)

Will facts and testimony change minds on the left?


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #28330850 - 05/23/23 07:01 AM (8 months, 1 day ago)

says the guy obsessed with hilary clinton:lol: her emails must still keep you up at night.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: mushboy]
    #28330884 - 05/23/23 07:52 AM (8 months, 1 day ago)

Don't forget the pizza restaurant child sex trafficking ring that was manufactured by the Trump campaign, believed by a crazy person that then raided the pizza joint finding that it didn't even have a basement, then subsequently arrested and convicted.

You see similar stuff from the left all the time...


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: christopera]
    #28332902 - 05/24/23 04:05 PM (8 months, 6 hours ago)

One quick thing on the pizzagate deal. I found it very strange that the one shot fired into the office destroyed the hard drive of that computer. Weird lucky shot.:shrug:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #28334050 - 05/25/23 12:31 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

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Will facts and testimony change minds on the left?




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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28343159 - 06/01/23 02:14 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

Oof. Now there is, allegedly, audio recordings of Trump discussing his having a classified document after he was president. This flies directly in the face of everything he's been purporting to date and that the MAGA-idiots have been parroting (e.g., "He can declassify with his mind", "Standing order to declassify!", "He had a right to have them!", etc.)

For most people, this doesn't come as a surprise. I'm looking forward to the new contortions that the right will go through to make this fit their warped world view.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
    #28343163 - 06/01/23 02:17 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

I'm thinking this is going to be the summer of indictments with Jack Smith and Fani Willis both getting ready to hit Trump hard.


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