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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#28209524 - 03/01/23 01:33 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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 Nope, you're the one making the claim bro
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Lynnch]
#28209554 - 03/01/23 01:49 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Bait and fish rj.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
#28209569 - 03/01/23 01:56 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.
I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.
It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election. All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.
And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.
NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's hilarious to watch them freak out
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28209611 - 03/01/23 02:33 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Rupert Murdochs whole business model is telling sweet lies that the Republican base wants to hear. He doesn't want to alienate his base with the truth. Those outlets are thousands of times more trustworthy than fox.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28209625 - 03/01/23 02:41 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Randar said:
Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.
I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.
It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election. All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.
Provide specifics. Because it's been proven that Russia had an extensive campaign to sabotage the 2016 election in the favor of Trump. Even a Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee agreed about this.
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And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.
NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's hilarious to watch them freak out
That reason being?? I don't see anybody melting down about it, unless it's due to the potential for jeopardizing the security of the US Capitol...but that's not a good reason.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
#28209642 - 03/01/23 02:51 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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I'm wondering the same. You think they're freaking out because tucker Carlson has them and the other outlets don't?
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28209651 - 03/01/23 02:55 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: I'm wondering the same. You think they're freaking out because tucker Carlson has them and the other outlets don't?
That's probably a good reason. Especially since it's purely political in that Tucker has admitted in court he's not news.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] 1
#28209661 - 03/01/23 03:05 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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I've seen people mention that the other stations should sue to get the videos I think they're right. Especially if they're public domain. Speaker of the house said that they're property of America why should fuckface charlatan get diba on them?
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28209759 - 03/01/23 04:29 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Oann and lindell TV are both suing McCarthy for the tapes already.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#28209761 - 03/01/23 04:30 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Randar said:
Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.
I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.
It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election. All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.
And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.
NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's hilarious to watch them freak out
Can you provide a specific example that doesn't have a published retraction?
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28210341 - 03/01/23 09:49 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Randar said:
Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.
I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.
It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election. All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.
And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.
NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's hilarious to watch them freak out
I think they’re having a meltdown because they were only released to Fox News, who are now self incriminated liars
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] 1
#28211363 - 03/02/23 05:37 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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The point is, how do YOU know that they are facts?
By the way, Biden is a pathological liar
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: starfire_xes]
#28211372 - 03/02/23 05:46 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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It's more of the level that was stooped to thats So remarkable. Fuck these people.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28320875 - 05/15/23 05:43 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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It's starting to look like the Democrats claim that Russia stole the 2016 election was a hoax, says the Durham Report. Hillary, Adam Schiff, and many other Democrat leaders spent years promising they had direct evidence that Trump was a Russian asset.
And Stephen Colbert is still waiting to see the pee pee tapes.
I miss the beautiful hysteria of 2017, when one bombshell story was that in 2013, when Trump was at the presidential suite at Moscow’s Ritz-Carlton Hotel, he watched two prostitutes urinate on a bed the Obamas supposedly slept in.
God Bless America
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28320918 - 05/15/23 06:46 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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John Durham is a political hack and failed prosecutor. Biden should have fired him on day one.
trumps bodyguard in Moscow did say that he had to turn away a bunch of prostitutes sent to his room.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28320933 - 05/15/23 06:58 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Randar said:
Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.
I simply want to make 100% sure I understand your perspective.
It sounds like you trust these news stations to never purposely lie.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC & WAPO all repeated Hillary Clinton and Adam Schiff's lie that Russia stole the 2016 election. All of these news stations repeated this election denial lie. They have never apologized.
And there's a reason these news stations are having a childish meltdown because 42,000 hours of Capitol Police security videos from Jan 6th are being released.
NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's hilarious to watch them freak out
It’s been months. Where are the tapes? You guys are the biggest suckers in the world
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
#28320956 - 05/15/23 07:19 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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Rj You go ahead and hang your hat on Durham. His report said no one did anything wrong as an admission even though he left out his trial that had twelve jurors say innocent. On the other hand the stations you mentioned did report on guilty pleas and convictions of manaford-guilty, gates-guilty, Papadopoulos-guilty, stone-guilty, flyn-guilty and my fingers are starting to hurt and so I will leave the rest for later when you say hoax, hoax, hoax... and run back to durham. What about the republican led senate report, why do you guys never tout that? Come on man enough is enough, how can anyone report on what you claim unless they want to join in making up facts? You don't even do anything but say trust me and news should not be like that. Cheers gww
Ps starfire, maybe you should read this too, you know facts.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: gww] 1
#28321047 - 05/15/23 08:29 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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What’s terrifying is that …
the F.B.I. - the most powerful investigative force on the planet - was used as and acted as a political weapon. The constitutional violations were an offense to every single citizen of the United States. The gov’t should not be setting people up… (see also M. Flynn.). That’s a bad thing. That’s a very bad thing.
When this was all going down, main stream liberal media absolutely happened. It was a real thing. It was government directed social control. Rachel Maddow, and ever other pundit, was telling you every 30 minutes for 3 years(!!) that Trump was a spy - that he’d colluded with Mother Russia to cheat on an election! (Oh, the irony) - and that his election was illegitimate. Illegitimate! (you actually said that, “Trump is not my President.”) Hell, you also said, “Impeachment Begins!!” Uh, before he was sworn in…….. I digress.
Congress halted progress over this. They ran investigations on this complete LIE (that they too knew was a lie as the FBI admitted there was nothing there) - yet, told you it was TRUE - Trump had colluded. Adam Schiff came right out and said it over, and over and over and over and over (and he was on every single channel, repeatedly.)
Now, pile onto the fact that the major trafficker of information, Google, manipulated society to (essentially only) see and be force fed that story (lie). Oh, and of course have it’s partners, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, etc., all promote the lie and censor the truth. Rinse and repeat of course with COVID…
It was a trifecta - a very powerful trifecta of driving public sentiment (again, all over an absolute, fucking lie.)
Was this the first time the FBI purposefully drove sentiment? I think it’s likely to have been common, sadly. However, with the efficiency gains in information distribution and control, it’s scary how quickly sentiment can be built, people aligned and ultimately mobilized. This of course is the main fear behind AI - the evil among humanity taking control.
Look what they built from an objective. And, we paid for them to do it - not only with our money, but with our liberties, freedoms and dignity.
That all being the case, what’s terrifying anyway is that to some, this is not a big, big, big fucking problem…. What’s terrifying is to see how far people can be taken and how deeply they can be “assumed.” On a smaller, but highly impactful scale, Facebook not so quietly admitted their algorithm is designed to create exactly this - “alignment” - and that it is quite and demonstrably successful. Truly, terrifying. Logic has absolutely zero (none whatsoever) effect. Terrifying.
I was fascinated with this as it was playing out. I mean I followed the flow and chased threads. There are a couple of threads ie. Gina Haspel, that I never saw close(d).
Government, with resources we could not possibly hope to fathom. Do they own us or do we own them? It was supposed to be the latter.
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#28321146 - 05/15/23 09:40 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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TLDR: it's bad when the FBI investigates crimes and catches criminals if the investigation involves diaper don
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Bobgas] 1
#28321164 - 05/15/23 10:09 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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Bobgas Adam shift didn't have to say anything cause we all heard the perfect call. The media had a side but except for fox, mostly used facts to argue. People are not so stupid to not believe their own eyes and ears that went along with the reporting. Nothing to Russia huh? The very last town hall on cnn trump could not even say he wanted Russia to lose the war. Election fraud, so we believe that 5 states, every election poll worker and all the courts in the land are all in on it and that is the easiest thing to believe? Flyn hanging out with Qanon or just using them is fake or saying trump should just enact marshal law was not heard from his mouth? Durham can't get a conviction but his is better the the FBI. You do realize a jury of peers is the same for both side don't you? Give me a break. Every body is crazy but you are right? Don't believe our eyes even though we also watch 4 stupid years of trump at the microphone saying what he was saying as well as on calls. There have been calls for bidens impeachment before he even took office. All presidents have opposition but not all president are so bad at their jobs or are so crooked and dumb that it means anything more then the fringes of each party just staking ground.
You may buy into the defenses like it was blm or Antifa or hunter bidens laptop as an excuse to do anything but people seen the trump hats and auschwitz tee shirts with their own eyes and seen the taking down of the American flag. Everybody but you knows it was not all a big lie. It may have been played for all it was worth but everybody that did not insulate them selves through only watching fox news, Qanon and conspiracy theories and wanted the truth could see with their own eyes. They also have the sense to know that with as many people being involved in as big of a conspiracy as you put forth holding together with no one breaking with smoking gun proof of who was behind it is just not logical.
Cheers gww
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