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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
#28200874 - 02/23/23 03:52 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28200883 - 02/23/23 03:58 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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It's actually crazy how close chopstick gets sometimes. He gets some of the context but the conclusions are like, whoa.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28200919 - 02/23/23 04:16 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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I've been reading some of the opinion pieces in the Washington Examiner, and they read exactly the same. The conclusions they draw, the way the draw conclusions...honestly, even stylistically there are close similarities. Similar rhetorical devices, and similarly short, punchy paragraphs (though, I admit that this might just be a modern writing thing).
You have a paragraph that makes an assertion, followed by a paragraph that summarizes the previous assertion while reiterating some threat or dehumanizing language, over and over again. Choppy uses a little bit more foul language and is a little bit less sesquipedalian, though. (I've waited a while to use that)
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28200931 - 02/23/23 04:21 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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The guy who owns the Examiner owned The Weekly Standard, before it went under. The Weekly Standard was the journal for neocon political thought.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28200976 - 02/23/23 04:43 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Kudos, I had to look that one up since "1.5 legged" didn't make enough sense
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28200980 - 02/23/23 04:45 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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It means 1 1/2 feet in length
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
#28201010 - 02/23/23 04:57 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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What? I always thought it meant long-winded?
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
#28201018 - 02/23/23 05:02 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah but if you break the word into parts they mean "one and a half" and "relating to the foot"
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
#28201059 - 02/23/23 05:25 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ah, you guys meant etymologically. Here is how it came about, bolded is the important part:
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WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF SESQUIPEDALIAN? Sesquipedalian comes directly from the Latin adjective sesquipedālis “having a (linear or square) measure of one and a half (Roman) feet.” Unsurprisingly, sesquipedālis is used in farming, military fortifications, architecture, and construction. The poet Horace (65–8 b.c.) uses the phrase sesquipedālia verba “words a foot and a half long” in his Ars Poetica (c19–18 b.c.), a poem in which Horace sets forth his ideas on “poetic art.” It is from Horace’s phrase that English has its only meaning “having or using very long words.” The first part of sesquipedālis is the adverb and prefix sesqui, sesque “one and a half times,” from an earlier, unrecorded sem(i)que, a contraction of sēmis “one half, a half more” and the generalizing particle –que. Pedālis is easy: it’s an adjective meaning “measuring a foot, a foot long, wide, deep, etc.,” a derivative of the noun pēs (inflectional stem ped-) “foot”; –ālis is a very common adjective suffix in Latin, the source of the English adjective suffix –al. Sesquipedalian entered English in the 17th century.
So long-winded was not a good synonym for me to pick, more like uses 10 dollar words.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
#28201133 - 02/23/23 06:10 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ice9 said: What? I always thought it meant long-winded?
It’s a Latin word that literally meant 1 1/2 feet
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28202071 - 02/24/23 08:04 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.
That's the timeline that I associate with the word.
I didn't know this before, but apparently neocon and neoconservative are fairly different terms with the latter originally referring to 1960's Democrats and that retained the liberal social agenda but in reaction to the pacifist left, became hawkish on foreign policy. The term neoconservative was first popularized by the socialist figure, Michael Harrington, in reference to Daniel Bell, Irving Kristol, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Kristol self-identified himself as neoconservative in one of his book titles. The sociologist Seymour Lipsett argued that the term originated a little earlier as a pejorative that socialists used toward social democrats.
Neocon seemed to hit popularity as a term in usage with W Bush. At the risk of overgeneralizing, I would say the Democratic Presidents were neoconservatives (even including JFK and LBJ, but not much with Carter) and the Republican Presidents were neocons as conservative across the board.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28202104 - 02/24/23 08:29 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.
I wasn't saying that neocons aren't real. I was saying that the neocon conspiracy BS that was being peddled was not real.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Brian Jones]
#28202178 - 02/24/23 09:21 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: I would be more suspicious of local elections.
I'd be most suspicious of local primary elections in districts with an overwhelming majority on one side or the other.
There's also just so much room for fraud, manipulation, and backroom deals before the polls open.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28202728 - 02/24/23 02:52 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: No, neocons are a real thing. They're basically the GOP between 1980-2016.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: starfire_xes]
#28209346 - 03/01/23 11:03 AM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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It's sad that facts don't even matter these days.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/01/politics/fact-check-marjorie-taylor-greene-fentanyl-kiessling-trump-biden/index.html
My favorite part of the story:
Dyer responded in an email by asking whether CNN thinks the many Americans who have died from drugs under Biden “care about the details” of this particular case. He added, “Do you think they give a f**k about your bullsh*t fact checking?”
This coming from the spokesperson of the woman who called Joe Biden a liar.
Lesson of the story, facts don't matter to the right.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] 1
#28209361 - 03/01/23 11:17 AM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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A private railroad company derailing a private train on private railroad tracks was blamed on Biden. There are no facts on the right. Whatever feels good is what they say.
As the dominion v Fox lawsuit has already shown us, the talking heads on the MSM know this. They know that they need to be careful with facts, least they alienate their GOP base.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Kryptos]
#28209492 - 03/01/23 01:17 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, WAPO never purposely lie to their viewers.
Only the horrendous evil news stations that support white supremacy do it 
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#28209513 - 03/01/23 01:28 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, WAPO never purposely lie to their viewers.
Only the horrendous evil news stations that support white supremacy do it 

Examples of this occurring?
I have no doubt that the big networks make mistakes. The thing is, when they do, they come on air and correct them as they actually respect their viewers. You think Tucker Carlson and Hannity will be out apologizing for pushing crap they knew was a lie? You'll be waiting for a long time.
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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar]
#28209520 - 03/01/23 01:32 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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You can't provide a single example when CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, or WAPO purposely lied and never apologized?
Not one time?
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#28209522 - 03/01/23 01:33 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: You can't provide a single example when CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, BBC, AP, NBC, or WAPO purposely lied and never apologized?
Not one time?
Burden of proof is on you, my friend. That's how making accusations works.
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