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Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) * 2
    #28191537 - 02/17/23 12:12 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

So, today it's been reported that Fox News personalities, up to and including the head honcho, have been testifying under oath that they never believed the bullshit that Trump was peddling regarding election fraud. Further proof of the big lie.

Rhetorical question time: Any thoughts on whether this will finally shut up all the right wingers spewing stolen election nonsense?

Answer: Of course not, if the fact that there is no proof of election fraud won't shut them up, this won't either. They are weak-minded individuals who would rather live in their own fantasies than have to face a world where they might be wrong.

Edit to include links to articles:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media/fox-news-stars-executives-court-documents/index.html

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157558299/fox-news-stars-false-claims-trump-election-2020

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a42951883/fox-news-hosts-2020-election-fraud/


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28191709 - 02/17/23 01:58 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

I'm beginning to think that the secret of a popular Political forum post is to not answer your own question in the opening post. :grin:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 2
    #28191778 - 02/17/23 02:53 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

"How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!"

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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: VP123] * 1
    #28191869 - 02/17/23 03:54 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

Fox is going to lose big time on this lawsuit. The evidence is overwhelming that the hosts didn’t believe any of the stuff they were saying about dominion. There’s also overwhelming evidence they lied because they didn’t want to alienate viewers.

But the fact is that you will not be able to convince most of these people of anything that counters what they want to believe.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 1
    #28192319 - 02/17/23 09:35 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

CNN & MSNBC Democrats are furious to learn they may share similar opinions as some employees at Fox.  Look at how they are melting down. It's strange anyone would think every employee of an organization would have exactly the same viewpoint. Especially considering Fox News consistently employs far left Democrats. 

Let's not forget the OG Big Lie - that Russia stole the 2016 election and Putin installed his pick to be POTUS.  Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff, John Lewis, and many other Dem leaders all repeated this nonsense. For 4 years.  Millions want to forget.  It's amazing.

Hoping a $20 billion or $50 billion Dominion lawsuit win will change anything at Fox is like hoping that Kanye will soon be sharing a tent down by the river with Alex Jones.  Nope - that's not how the world works. That's fantasyland.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28192393 - 02/17/23 10:46 PM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Quote:

CNN & MSNBC Democrats are furious to learn they may share similar opinions as some employees at Fox.



One of the most entertaining forms of right wing discourse is when they think they know what makes democrats angry or scared.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 3
    #28192469 - 02/18/23 01:41 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

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CNN & MSNBC Democrats are furious to learn they may share similar opinions as some employees at Fox.  Look at how they are melting down. It's strange anyone would think every employee of an organization would have exactly the same viewpoint. Especially considering Fox News consistently employs far left Democrats. 

Let's not forget the OG Big Lie - that Russia stole the 2016 election and Putin installed his pick to be POTUS.  Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff, John Lewis, and many other Dem leaders all repeated this nonsense. For 4 years.  Millions want to forget.  It's amazing.

Hoping a $20 billion or $50 billion Dominion lawsuit win will change anything at Fox is like hoping that Kanye will soon be sharing a tent down by the river with Alex Jones.  Nope - that's not how the world works. That's fantasyland.



Sick melt brah :melt:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 2
    #28192514 - 02/18/23 03:49 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Yeah, Hannity and Carlson were trying to get a female Fox News figure fired because her anti-election steal reporting was hurting ratings. They were afraid of losing ratings to new outlets positioning themselves to the right of Fox.

But that makes for great supporting evidence in the voting machine company's defamation lawsuit. I've come to accept Fox News et al will stay the most popular, and you can't fix stupid, and some of their followers are my friends because we've learned to stop discussing politics.

It seems the only way to fight right wing news is to bleed them dry when they completely cross the line.

On several fronts, another being guns, law suits is the new tactic.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Randar] * 4
    #28192726 - 02/18/23 09:01 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

Exposing dirt on Fox News is not exactly the own that you think it is.

Fox News is part of the same mega-corrupt propaganda network as all of the other major media channels. They are merely controlled opposition. They pretend to retain conservative characteristics while at the same time controlling the narrative and keeping it contained within certain parameters I.E. support for Ukraine & MIC propaganda. This helps to keep the conservative-leaning boomers in check since they still watch TV while everyone else has moved on.

Fox News is just as much part of the establishment as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

I don't know why you think this is some kind of huge reveal? Like.. what? Asking what someone like Sean Hannity thinks for example is no better than asking someone like Rachel Maddow. They both suffer from a complete and total lack of any credibility, as do the vast majority of MSM puppets.





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Randar said:
They are weak-minded individuals who would rather live in their own fantasies than have to face a world where they might be wrong.





Congratulations, you just described more than 50% of the US population.

There are very few people willing to face the full truth in this country, and I can assure you that you are not one of them.

Because if you did face the full truth, you would be forced to accept that both the "right" and "left" are fundamentally flawed at their core, that there is a criminal gang of profoundly evil individuals manipulating events from behind the scenes, that you yourself have suffered to a degree from their manipulation, that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.

One last thing.. if you seriously read stuff from places like CNN, NPR, Esquire, etc, with a straight face... then you might as well change your avatar to an NPC because you are definitely not some kind of Anon-rebel, Lmao.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: chopstick]
    #28192758 - 02/18/23 09:21 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

What if chopstick is teleporting into the Shroomery while he’s sleeping


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: koods]
    #28192809 - 02/18/23 10:08 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I want to know why he's not a big influencer already


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28192816 - 02/18/23 10:20 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

I am not on the “right” but I have never believed a single election was not rigged, it makes no sense for them to allow honest and fair elections, none of us can count all those votes and none of us have access to the actual count info soooo...


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: chopstick]
    #28192878 - 02/18/23 11:13 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

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chopstick said:
Exposing dirt on Fox News is not exactly the own that you think it is.

Fox News is part of the same mega-corrupt propaganda network as all of the other major media channels. They are merely controlled opposition. They pretend to retain conservative characteristics while at the same time controlling the narrative and keeping it contained within certain parameters I.E. support for Ukraine & MIC propaganda. This helps to keep the conservative-leaning boomers in check since they still watch TV while everyone else has moved on.

Fox News is just as much part of the establishment as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

I don't know why you think this is some kind of huge reveal? Like.. what? Asking what someone like Sean Hannity thinks for example is no better than asking someone like Rachel Maddow. They both suffer from a complete and total lack of any credibility, as do the vast majority of MSM puppets.





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Randar said:
They are weak-minded individuals who would rather live in their own fantasies than have to face a world where they might be wrong.





Congratulations, you just described more than 50% of the US population.

There are very few people willing to face the full truth in this country, and I can assure you that you are not one of them.

Because if you did face the full truth, you would be forced to accept that both the "right" and "left" are fundamentally flawed at their core, that there is a criminal gang of profoundly evil individuals manipulating events from behind the scenes, that you yourself have suffered to a degree from their manipulation, that there is a spiritual war being waged for control over the human race, and finally that if you really wanted to be on the right side of this war you would have to let go of most of your current beliefs & biases.

One last thing.. if you seriously read stuff from places like CNN, NPR, Esquire, etc, with a straight face... then you might as well change your avatar to an NPC because you are definitely not some kind of Anon-rebel, Lmao.





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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle] * 1
    #28194070 - 02/19/23 04:21 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

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I am not on the “right” but I have never believed a single election was not rigged, it makes no sense for them to allow honest and fair elections, none of us can count all those votes and none of us have access to the actual count info soooo...




Not going to argue on every single vote being right, but when the Republicans started this election fraud narrative, the investigations and recounts usually ended up giving the Dems a few more votes or were thrown out of court for being groundless. I would be more suspicious of local elections. When the stakes are large there is a lot of oversight.

And I'm getting great enjoyment from the progress of the lawsuits that the voting machine companies filed against FOX and Trump insiders. There's always lying in politics, but it got so out of hand and taking their money seems more effective than other avenues of recourse.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28194258 - 02/19/23 09:23 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

You are creating a narrative right now, I just told you I have not trusted any election, millions of us doubt the elections are real at all... it’s not a republican thing.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle] * 1
    #28194284 - 02/19/23 09:46 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

I find people who hold these two beliefs simultaneously to be increasingly common

1)The two parties in the US have NO meaningful differences between them

and

2)US elections are completely rigged, stolen etc.


If 1 is true, then why waste an iota of effort on 2?  This makes no sense to me at all :confused:


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9]
    #28194287 - 02/19/23 09:51 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Explain further....


If I did not believe or trust the two parties, how could I trust the elections, certainly I have no chance when the decision has already been made... right?

There are actually THOUSANDS of parties, however, most of them do not support what the two legacy parties support so there is coordinated effort against any third party or independent voter.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28194331 - 02/19/23 10:27 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

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I find people who hold these two beliefs simultaneously to be increasingly common

1)The two parties in the US have NO meaningful differences between them

and

2)US elections are completely rigged, stolen etc.


If 1 is true, then why waste an iota of effort on 2?  This makes no sense to me at all :confused:




1 depends on a person's definition of meaningful difference.  This metric might change depending on circumstances.  Meaningful difference might mean something very different for me, a straight, white, male and a black, trans woman, as an example.

This is coming from someone who sees little to no difference between the parties and, in fact, believes that the political duopoly in the U.S. is not only harmful but actually malicious in nature


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28194345 - 02/19/23 10:47 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

Exactly...

I believe the two parties are identical in the sense of their end focus is money and power, however, I think they operate differently towards that goal. Red uses Constitutionalism to manipulate their base and blue uses Socialism to manipulate their base.


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Re: Will facts and testimony finally change minds on the right? (rhetorical question) [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28194395 - 02/19/23 11:34 AM (11 months, 1 day ago)

If the end result remains the same, would it not be in the parties respective interests to maintain the populaces faith in fair elections?  Seems to me, the one true way to really get the people up in arms, is to make them doubt the validity of elections (as we have seen already).  The losing group can always be mollified by the belief they have a fair chance to "win next time".  Take that away, and why wouldn't some try to overthrow those in power, as they now believe they have no other way of achieving their ends. 

The political parties sowing doubt into the fairness of elections seems to be insanely myopic, and likely why it has never really occurred on a large scale until recently when a cult of personality megalomaniac did it.


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