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If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn?
    #28188041 - 02/15/23 02:25 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Sorry for the super noob question, I noticed that a lot of the threads discussing grass seed are super old, it seems like there is no interest in using it for colonizing spawn. In one thread somebody mentioned that grass seed lacks in nutritive value compared to rye or millet, which does make sense. But is there nothing to be said about the huge difference in quantity? Surely there is less nutritional value in a grass seed vs a millet seed, but what about 10 grass seeds vs 1 millet seed?


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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: nakadash1] * 1
    #28188080 - 02/15/23 04:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well I'm kind of a noob myself, but I would say people like to use whatever is cheapest and most readily available locally for grain.  Also, I personally find anything smaller than wild bird seed to be pretty difficult to drain properly after soaking, but that's probably just me.

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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: KeyMaker] * 1
    #28188209 - 02/15/23 07:27 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

V TEK rye grass seed
The price is really high, even though they grow more grass seed around here than possibly anywhere.  I’m sure if I knew some farmers I could get a ton of it from them though, so.

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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: Land Trout] * 1
    #28188245 - 02/15/23 07:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Rye grass seed is the most expensive grain I have ever bought.

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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: bw86] * 2
    #28188249 - 02/15/23 07:53 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

All this talk of nutrient profiles of grain, how many of us actually consider the nutrients vs ease of use and price?

I'm going to bet most of us never factor in the nutrients.

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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #28188277 - 02/15/23 08:17 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I honestly haven't given it much thought.  I did some corn, started doing WBS, really liked it, haven't thought about type of grain since.  I'm searching for threads about this.  Is there a general consensus on what provides BEST nutrition for cubes?

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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: DERRAYLD] * 2
    #28188286 - 02/15/23 08:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I'm going to bet most of us never factor in the nutrients.




Because, in the grand scheme of things, they don't really matter.

These are detritovores, not plants. They pretty much colonize and eat whatever, as long as it's not too hard to break down and there's enough moisture in the environment. And psychoactive content appears to be overwhelmingly determined by genetics, anyhow.

I guess that's why people can start with a particular grain or practice and then choose that hill to die on- more than enough confirmation bias to go around.


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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: KeyMaker] * 2
    #28188289 - 02/15/23 08:30 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Is there a general consensus on what provides BEST nutrition for cubes?




Yes.

Something that's adequately hydrated and free of contamination.

If we're talking about grains, basically anything that formed a seed is going to have more than enough for the myc to work with. Nobody's throwing out old substrates because the "grains got all used up."


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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: KeyMaker] * 2
    #28188298 - 02/15/23 08:37 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Well I'm kind of a noob myself, but I would say people like to use whatever is cheapest and most readily available locally for grain.  Also.



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whats best for the grower is best for the grow. i use alpiste because its the cheapest by far, hydrates quickly, and shakes easy. cube myc will figure out how to digest whatever grain you give it


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Re: If millet is good because more inoculation points, why is grass seed not popular for grain spawn? [Re: nakadash1] * 2
    #28188299 - 02/15/23 08:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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nakadash1 said:
Sorry for the super noob question, I noticed that a lot of the threads discussing grass seed are super old, it seems like there is no interest in using it for colonizing spawn. In one thread somebody mentioned that grass seed lacks in nutritive value compared to rye or millet, which does make sense. But is there nothing to be said about the huge difference in quantity? Surely there is less nutritional value in a grass seed vs a millet seed, but what about 10 grass seeds vs 1 millet seed?




As mentioned, nutritional value is likely meaningless in this context.

I'm only familiar with grass seed being used in "V-tek," which, if I recall my old lurking sessions correctly, also involved using pp5 containers and fruiting directly from them rather than spawning.

And also a lot of really irritating bluster and argument over pretty much everything- trashing on glass jars, claiming that sterilizing pp5's is more environmentally friendly, bragging about :yields:, etc.

I think grass seed is just expensive, and holds no advantage when spawning to coir or other bulk substrates. And, like I said, its main proponents weren't very easy to get along with.


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