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Overlay problem fixed? (method)
    #28185984 - 02/13/23 06:17 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I had came across a possible cure/beneficial method to overlay.


I'm not sure if I should say it's fixed but it does seem to be going along, as there are fruits already popping up 4 days after using this method

  I had done some research and found that overlay was very rare however the consistency with my assumption and the info I was given by several TC I came to the conclusion that there is a good chance it's overlay as it was about 37 days after going from grain to bulk and I had about 92% colonization, for the majority of that time. The top layer appeared to be a thick white coat of unhealthy myc. Water was not getting through that layer and it had a yellow tint that I'm assuming was caused by the stress from the mycelium that was still alive underneath.
Being impatient I took my own route entirely, noob status.
I didn't know that a casing layer wasn't supposed to be manure based like the substrate I have been using from north spore (trusted vendor on here), I didn't know this until about 30 min ago based on a comment on another thread i posted. Anyways I took my boomer bag substrate and mixed gypsum and stuff called mgp (+) thoroughly. I added the mgp (+) to 3 water bottles (measurements based on instructions) and poured these bottles into the overlayed mono, after I used a flame sterilized scalpal to cut 1/2 squares across the entire surface allowing the water to soak through the matted dead myc. I allowed it to soak for about 1.5 hrs then drained the best i could. I then used my mixed substrate as a "casing layer" about 1/4 in in depth firmly pressing down on all surface, misted semi heavy and placed monotub lid on and left it. 4 days later the casing layer was about 20% colonized "I know "NOW" that casing layer is not supposed to be able to colonize, however it might have helped in this situation".

I have no idea if this is complete stupidity or not. I just figured i would post incase if someone wants to take the risk as it is clearly doing better than ot was. The grow before this wasn't going to pin, im a noob however it was clear to me this was dead mycelium on top. If there is any one that wants to chime in and speak on what I should or shouldn't have done I'd be grateful as well as anyone else dealing with that same problem.


Before method
(aprox. 35 days after adding colonized grain to bulk substrate in monotub)






This is 5 days after using the above noob method.





Please do not take my advice unless you really don't care or if a TC gets on here and says this is a reasonable method to fix this problem. Please make sure what your dealing with is overlay as I am almost 100% positive my situation was and would hate to be the reason someone messed up a perfectly good grow from impatience and assumptions.
Schwooms

Any tips or advice are greatly appreciated

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Re: Overlay problem fixed? (method) [Re: schwooms]
    #28185995 - 02/13/23 06:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

what's mp3(+)?


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Re: Overlay problem fixed? (method) [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco] * 1
    #28186150 - 02/13/23 08:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Mushroom growth promoter, im not sure how to properly post this but hopefully I'm not breaking any rules here. The description is below. I've used it on several grows with what seems positive results, I've done some bins with and some without and have seen a higher yield in the ones u did use and have had less contam problems. Could very well be coincidence but it's not hurting anything from what I can tell and have researched. There is a thread somewhere on it on here.

I'm not advertising this is strictly info from the products site.
"MGP Plus is the world's first Mushroom Growth Promoter that increases yields while simultaneously decreasing the negative effects of Trichoderma Hazardium on mushroom production. Packed full of 10 micro-organisms, this blend ensures your substrate is optimally positioned to produce beautiful fruiting while extending the life of your "cake."

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Re: Overlay problem fixed? (method) [Re: schwooms] * 4
    #28186302 - 02/13/23 09:35 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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schwooms said:
Mushroom growth promoter, im not sure how to properly post this but hopefully I'm not breaking any rules here. The description is below. I've used it on several grows with what seems positive results, I've done some bins with and some without and have seen a higher yield in the ones u did use and have had less contam problems. Could very well be coincidence but it's not hurting anything from what I can tell and have researched. There is a thread somewhere on it on here.

I'm not advertising this is strictly info from the products site.
"MGP Plus is the world's first Mushroom Growth Promoter that increases yields while simultaneously decreasing the negative effects of Trichoderma Hazardium on mushroom production. Packed full of 10 micro-organisms, this blend ensures your substrate is optimally positioned to produce beautiful fruiting while extending the life of your "cake."




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Sounds like garbage spewed by garbage people trying to rob you of your hard earned money. Don't let them.

People will try anything but clean spawn.


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Re: Overlay problem fixed? (method) [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28186328 - 02/13/23 09:55 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

It was free along with a shit ton of "hated on" supplies. However upon researching it seems to be somewhat beneficial. I havnt seen anything bad about it thus far.but yes your right I wouldn't spend my money on it

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Re: Overlay problem fixed? (method) [Re: schwooms] * 1
    #28186346 - 02/13/23 10:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Sorry i wasnt hating on you, just these arseholes charging $30 for something that sounds like bunk. Although upon further research I did find what seems to be a legit study.

"The effects of biological factors on the vegetative growth process of mushrooms remain largely unexplored. We investigated the bacterial community in different growth stages of Pleurotus eryngii by high-throughput sequencing technology to explore the relationship between interacting bacteria and the growth and development of P. eryngii. We found significant variances in mushroom interacting association bacteria (MIAB) compositions among the samples from different growth stages, and 410 genera were identified. The bacteria in the full-bag and post-ripe stages were shifted to the biocontrol and growth-promotion ones. The mushroom growth-promoting bacteria (MGPB) were also isolated successfully and identified as B. cereus Bac1."

Sounds like a hypothesis, but people selling it as fact are bold enough to impoverish our precious new growers just to stuff their own pockets. Most of it's probably just bullshit probiotics that aren't proven yet.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2022.787628/full


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Re: Overlay problem fixed? (method) [Re: fiddle_head]
    #28186381 - 02/13/23 10:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

In this hobby we focus a lot on complete sterility, boiling everything down to the bare minimum in order to rule out sources of failure. That's not how mushrooms grow in the wild.

My first real indoor cannabis grow got pretty fucked up by spider mites. I didn't expect it, because bugs don't come inside, right? Well, I probably carried one or two in on my clothes, or on supplies.

All of my subsequent grows have been outdoor, and they never suffer mites to the degree they did indoors. Access for natural predators, probably better conditions, and not giving a single pest a near-infinite bounty of food in a contained environment.

I think there's definite merit in adding back some of the chaos of the wild. Solve et coagula, and such. But yeah, you'll get grifters in any field.


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