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white on caps? (noob grow)
#28184741 - 02/12/23 10:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Aye, I'm going to keep this short as I don't seem to get too many replies when I put every detail in the post. I will keep an eye on it and answer any questions promptly.
I have looked on the search bar here and elsewhere and didn't find much as I'm not sure it looks like myc. To me but idk I'm just getting into this.
I am new to this, this specific tub being my 3rd grow. It's a PE strain that started as LC to grain. Grain to manure based substrate in a monotub. 23 days in. My main concern is the white on some of the caps, the substrate looks healthy to me. I have had some trich contam recently in another tub but removed the tub immediately. I had used the same lc on agar "I have been doing transfers since this one, hope to get better results" no problem growing out on agar, very clean transfers. I introduced a little early to bulk. I dont believe the grain was at its best colonized stage for adding to bulk substrait. It appears I have alot of pins and hyphal knots. I'm assuming because it's a multispore grow (LC or not it's still not am isolate)that is why I'm having the uneven pinset. Is this correct? Anyways any help is appreciated


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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: schwooms]
#28184767 - 02/12/23 11:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I'm hoping someone can chime in on here because I need some honest help. Every time I get concerned, I do my research, then if I can't find a post(s) that help I post a question and from there it's nothing but worrying, looking over old posts, that then get my mind thinking the worse. Someone please help out with this. Could it be Verticillium? I don't think so. I think I need to slow down on misting and keep fae up but it would be nice to get some assurance. Temp fluctuates between 69 to 72 in room. It's my first ever PE grow so I know it's a little diff than my typical TC or GT I have grown.
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: schwooms]
#28184781 - 02/12/23 11:55 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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MS definitely causes more irregular/uneven flushes
maybe someone else will have some other opinions but it mostly looks like myc to me. can you rub it off of those ones with the thicker white?
your surface conditions look good. give as much FAE as you can while maintaining those beads of water all along the surface
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: hazyhorse]
#28184784 - 02/13/23 12:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I just checked using a qtip and it comes right off. I'm assuming that a good thing?
Should this be dunked after this flush, which I did forget to mention is the first as I'm sure you could tell based on surface. Atleast for me my tubs always look different after a flush. I'm new to this though. I just cased a what seemed like matted dead mycelium on a different tub that was stuck 95% colonized after dunking and cutting 3/4 inch squara using a flame sterilized scalpal. Followed by adding a casing using the wrong practice. I added probably about 1/5 to 1/6 inch of manure coco based substrait mixed with a little gypsum compressed on top. 4 days and I have 50% colonization and fruiting "just a few but fruits at that". So was I wrong by using this material as a casing and should I use this same method after dunk before second flush?
Edited by schwooms (02/13/23 12:18 AM)
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: schwooms]
#28184817 - 02/13/23 01:08 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I'm assuming bacteria is primarily responsible for your sparse flush, whether it's in your lc or technique.
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: fiddle_head]
#28185136 - 02/13/23 08:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for your help. I always see you on here and try taking heed to your advice on all your posts because you seem to have backing to every statement you make "if questioned" as alot don't. I had this bin side by side with a bin that believe it or not had I'm 99% positive had overlay. I actually fixed the overlay problem and have mushies growing out of that bin now but it makes me wonder if the conditions (both in same conditions, misted at sane time, introduced to bulk and fruiting at same time, same substrate...) could be one of the reasons for this uneven pinset. I took the advice /\ and stabbed a cap with a qtip and the white on caps was mycelium "possibly dead myc like the overlay tub. These fruits will be fine to harvest and eat however though correct? And do u suggest me dunk this and apply a casing layer after? Your suggested dunking technique and casing layer method would be helpful. Thank you so much.
Also do you have the link to a thread on harvest times for PE. I once saw a good posy with pics describing when PE should be harvested but can't find that post anymore.
There is primordia popping up everywhere on this tub still, should I let them grow out before dunking "if that's recomended" or wait till the fruits I have growing, grow out enough for harvest, harvest then dunk despite the baby mushrooms "by the time the current ones have matured assuming they do"?
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: schwooms]
#28185163 - 02/13/23 09:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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How did you fix the overlay?
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: dowodenum]
#28185516 - 02/13/23 01:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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harvest PE when the caps are open & the stipes are soft. if they are still firm, you can go a few more days
rereading your post, iโd say you used the wrong material for casing. typically, casing is something the myc wonโt really colonize. thatโs why we donโt use coir or manure to case, the myc just colonizes it. imo, with PE itโs best do do an 1-2โ pseudo casing at spawn with coir or whatever your substrate is. if you firmly compact this pseudo casing/top layer, youโll avoid blobs
you donโt really need to dunk, a heavy misting a few days in a row after first harvest should suffice, but if youโve harvested the big mushrooms already youโre more than likely good to dunk. usually the smaller mushies at the end of the flush donโt get much bigger
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: dowodenum]
#28185972 - 02/13/23 06:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I'm about to post a thread on how I did it. I was going to post here as a response but figured it should be posted as a new topic. I'm not sure how to add the link to it but I'll figure it out once I post. Check it out, it seems to be working great so maybe my noob ass actually did something smart for once. Idk
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#28185978 - 02/13/23 06:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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You are 100% right that I was mistaken on what a casing layer should be. Now I know, thank you. So once I can get most of these guys harvested I'll add a real casing layer using the instructions you provided, mist semi heavy for three days "instead of dunking" and hope for a even pimset without the blobs.
I had added a "casing layer" to a APE grow once it was almost fully colonized. Seeing as I just used a manure based sub will I have any issues with it. Mistakes made are lessons learned in my world and sometimes I have to learn the hard way to learn at all. Even if the manure based sub causes my APE grow to...well not grow, I'll be happy cuz I learned a valuable lesson. Thanks again
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Re: white on caps? (noob grow) [Re: schwooms]
#28186335 - 02/13/23 10:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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schwooms said: Thanks for your help. I always see you on here and try taking heed to your advice on all your posts because you seem to have backing to every statement you make "if questioned" as alot don't. I had this bin side by side with a bin that believe it or not had I'm 99% positive had overlay. I actually fixed the overlay problem and have mushies growing out of that bin now but it makes me wonder if the conditions (both in same conditions, misted at sane time, introduced to bulk and fruiting at same time, same substrate...) could be one of the reasons for this uneven pinset. I took the advice /\ and stabbed a cap with a qtip and the white on caps was mycelium "possibly dead myc like the overlay tub. These fruits will be fine to harvest and eat however though correct? And do u suggest me dunk this and apply a casing layer after? Your suggested dunking technique and casing layer method would be helpful. Thank you so much.
Also do you have the link to a thread on harvest times for PE. I once saw a good posy with pics describing when PE should be harvested but can't find that post anymore.
There is primordia popping up everywhere on this tub still, should I let them grow out before dunking "if that's recomended" or wait till the fruits I have growing, grow out enough for harvest, harvest then dunk despite the baby mushrooms "by the time the current ones have matured assuming they do"?
Hi and sorry it took me so long to get back to you

You should be fine to eat the fruits.
I still think your tubs are pinning under stress. You should examine your grow methodically, starting with grain prep, cycles and sterile technique.
The overlay I'm thinking is either a climate issue or maybe just wierd genetics. This article was helpful to me:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
So was this one:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27426583/page/1
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