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Wacky people in the psychedelic scene * 5
    #28184737 - 02/12/23 10:25 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Little rant because I'm bored, big psychedelic drug fan, been doing this stuff a while.  I have seen the scientific research mount about psychedelics, followed it every step of the way, I'm a believer, advocate, and experienced firsthand the benefits etc.



I'm sorry if this hurts someone's feelings/worldview though but magic mushrooms are literally just mushrooms that contain a peculiar chemical, psilocybin, cool as fuck substance though but nothing magical.  Mushrooms likely evolved psilocybin for some defense mechanism is the going theory against insects, not sent here by a creator hidden in a fungus.



This rant spawned from a conversation with a guy and his friend today who tried to explain to me that outdoor psilocybin mushrooms are different than indoor mushrooms and he can decipher them when eating them and can tell which of the two they are and it continued into this: mushrooms grown indoors are not natural(lol) and interference by people, the cultivators mindset, and energy will effect a trip.



Now a cultivators chakras have to be aligned for good trips? Yea, OK. I explained it's a fungus containing psilocybin, if you believe that stuff, then sure, your trip will likely have some sort of spin on it due to your set and setting of believing that there will be a difference which is why it feels different to you, self fulfilling prophecy type of thing.  But if I gave you psilocybin from a lab versus psilocybin extracted from a mushroom, you wouldn't tell the difference and he refused to agree, said he would know. 




Then the "I don't do synthetic drugs" comment came up. I asked if he ever has done LSD which he replied yes then tried saying LSD is naturally found in ergot.



At this point I'm just shaking my head and said, you have the entire internet out there to fact check your claims, yet you're so confident and literally every statement you've made is completely bogus... His friend then looks it up and said the website  about LSD says its semisynthetic, ergot doesn't contain LSD either like I had told him

He then said well psychedelics are clearly here for a reason and were put here by a higher power, which is why they fit our receptors and I was ignorant to think it was just coincidence.


We know the chemical pathway for exactly how mushrooms produce it for anyone interested btw https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/web/2017/08/Magic-mushroomenzyme-mystery-solved.html


Guy told me he quit taking mushrooms because The mushrooms told him to stop on a high dose trip.  I said once on a trip they told me to commit suicide :lol:



There was so much more in our conversation and he really thinks these are some sort of sorcery/magic sent by God and couldn't believe I was telling him otherwise that it's just a cool chemical.



Edited by PreparationH (02/12/23 10:39 PM)

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #28184748 - 02/12/23 10:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It's nice to get trippy but we are nothing special


If anything after tripping, I could care less about philosophy or anything like it

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 2
    #28184931 - 02/13/23 02:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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There was so much more in our conversation and he really thinks these are some sort of sorcery/magic sent by God and couldn't believe I was telling him otherwise that it's just a cool chemical.




I kind of feel sorry for people like him. They feel there's a need to conjure up all kinds of entities, forces and other fantasies to make existence special and meaningful. While if you look around you, and actually open your eyes for a moment, the world/universe turns out to be so intricately complicated and fascinating without having to overlay some kind of fairytale on top of it. These people seem to not be able to see the wood for the trees, or something. They're so "enlightened" that they're missing the entire point of it all.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: koraks] * 3
    #28184956 - 02/13/23 03:55 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The other day someone posted on reddit first time doing 5-meo-dmt (aka the toad) and wanted advice. The advice that was given was complete and utter horse shit, like make sure your intentions are pure, and cleanse your chakra, and go with the most expensive facilitator trained in trauma aware post trip integration etc.

I'm like the only advice you need is no MAOIs and have a sitter in case you stop breathing, nothing else is important. People got mad at me but "don't forget to breath" was the best advice in the whole thread. And no one but me thought to give it. We are lucky mushroom people are very diverse, no one here is going to lecture you because you didn't do it with a new age shroom cult.

Ayahuasca tourists who think you have to do it in the Amazon are annoying too. I'm not against psychedelic mysticism but you can do the same shit at home, spending thousands of dollars to go somewhere and do it is yuppie shit.

And since I'm here, I tried microdosing and thought it worked, but then I tried having my GF administer my doses and not tell me if it was shrooms or placebo. I couldn't tell what days I microdosed  what were the placebo days. When I tell people this they don't want to know, thats whack, if microdosing works you should be able to tell what days you did it. It doesn't work if you can't that, it's placebo. All medications have placebo control groups in testing, microdosing isn't going to get by phase 2 of any test. It's a scam, and people rally get upset when you tell them. It works because you think it does.


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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #28184976 - 02/13/23 04:57 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I stopped advising people on reddit about cultivation, shroomery has a reputation of being brutally honest with newer growers but it's for the better. 

On reddit you have people who grow using uncle Ben's rice packets  yielding abysmal amounts freaking out when told its best to buy a pressure cooker and do things right.  Do you know about the whole orbeez casing thing?  That's the reason I stopped checking in there.  I pointed out that a poster could've had much better results if they did a real casing layer instead of using gel orbeez and a ton of people rage posted at me that This is how new things are discovered stop being so stuck in the past!


OK well the guy got a half Oz dry off 3 spawn jars and was asking for input for a better yield... Lol


I agree with the micro dosing comment too, jury is still out, and I am not yet a believer.  "But Paul Stamets says!". Yea, Paul also rips ppl off with overpriced as fuck shit on fungi perfecti and constantly pushes products that *may* help with X, Y, Z. With no proof of efficacy

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #28184999 - 02/13/23 05:28 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The big sub reddit growers are some of, if not, the most unreliable growers I have ever seen. The bad advice there leads me to believe most of them have never grown a mushroom in their lives. The only decent posts usually are tied to a member here.

I liked micro dosing. I did four days on and four days off. But after about 3 years I was kind of burnt out. My micro doses started at like .15mg and by the end I was doing .5g each morning. As somebody that can feel 1g pretty well, I was starting to get a little weary of the "micro" aspect of what I was doing. Especially considering I had to operate a car and I ran the safety department.


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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: viraldrome] * 3
    #28185041 - 02/13/23 06:40 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

tbh ive never looked at shroom reddit i think id kill myself if i did.

i did ayahuasca at home. i ended up on some distant moon fathering multidimensional alien children or something i cant remember.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: mushboy]
    #28185060 - 02/13/23 07:22 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Whatever you do, don't go into Facebook cultivation groups, that's where this photo was birthed and literally no one said anything until I asked wtf is going on here.  I think what happens is people come here, do dumb shit and leave butthurt, and reddit and FB is all of these folks bouncing ideas off each other instead of getting better yields.

God I love this photo



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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 2
    #28185066 - 02/13/23 07:27 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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God I love this photo




I hope that guy is wearing a condom.

You know, for safety.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: koraks]
    #28185076 - 02/13/23 07:36 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I just yesterday seen a tub that was bone dry and someone saying sterilize water in a kettle and mist it down.  When I said no need to sterilize it that's a waste of time, multiple people said don't listen to me because it needs sterile water or else it'll contaminate the tub :kingtard:


Yes, you can stand over it and breathe, but better use sterile water or it'll contam bro :facepalm:

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: koraks] * 1
    #28185094 - 02/13/23 07:52 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Last summer I had dinner with some friends and another dude who I had met a handful of times were having a monologue about his different drug experiences. Which is a bit awkward since no one else there except me does drugs.

After a while he just started to make shit up. Saying Lyrica was crystals that people chopped up and snorted and tried explaining how XTC works without success. He also explained to us how LSD works. According to him our brain has creativity deposits, similar to how we have dopamine deposits. When someone takes LSD these creativity deposits gets released which results in the effects of LSD. Thats why the next day you become retarded because you have no creativity left and can stare at a magazine without even being able to identify what colors you are looking at.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: hejAdig999] * 4
    #28185108 - 02/13/23 08:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I've never seen psychedelics as anything holy or sentient. I do think there's a little something more to them than we'll ever understand though, but you can say that for pretty much anything. I'll always understand the psychedelic worshipers far better than I understand the people who choose their faith based on what some child molesters or thousands of year old fiction books tell them to believe. Probably anyone who's had an intense enough psychedelic experience can see where people would attribute something greater to them.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: hejAdig999] * 2
    #28185109 - 02/13/23 08:10 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

:whatwhatwhat::bringiton:

That pic is hilarious damn

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: feevers]
    #28185116 - 02/13/23 08:14 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I seen a study where people rated their psychedelic experience in the top 5 mystical experiences of their lives, I get it, but that's just what the substance does.  I would also rate my 6.8 gram mushroom trip years ago as one of the most pivotal moments in my life that woke my ass up to a lot of facts I was missing otherwise.  Let's just say I don't dose that high anymore lol. 

I had ego death before I read on the internet what could occur at higher doses, scared the shit out of me, straightened me out with certain aspects of my life.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #28185137 - 02/13/23 08:32 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Back when I was a kid if someone had drugs you took them and worked it out along the way.  Now everyone wants to know what it’s going to be like and are scared of having a bad trip or something, it’s either too much body load, or not visual enough.  Like how and the hell are people going to have a good time going into these things with that kind of mindset.
Wait, is this in the pub?

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: Land Trout] * 2
    #28185182 - 02/13/23 09:26 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I think it's cool that people try shit like uncle ben and orbees or whatever.

It's not the way to go if it's your first grow and the main goal of the project is to get shrooms, tho.


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    #28185185 - 02/13/23 09:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Don't you dare knock the Aunty Jemima or Uncle Ben's tek.  :oldman:


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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH]
    #28185205 - 02/13/23 09:47 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I know what you mean but don't be a pretentious elitist about pretentious ignorant elitism, lol! Try and guide and tech them about your knowledge and the impact on you and how you see things. Sometimes people are just beyond reach and just need to be ignored. Also voice your knowledge if the one giving it to someone has no idea what they are relaying to another person that might be harmed by false or unknown info. Just walk away if both or all parties are too ignorant and refuse to see any other way of looking at things. Try to teach and give info but don't waste time or energy on fools.


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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 3
    #28185210 - 02/13/23 09:51 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

we are elites preph just deal with it:lol:

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    #28185212 - 02/13/23 09:52 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Haha, I agree! Trust me I am not gatekeeping, I want more cultivators and people into psychedelics, I am referring only to the people who waste other's times with crap info or are the exact type of user who, in my opinion, gives people a bad stereotype about psychedelic users.  Maybe that is elitism? lol 


I myself was straight cyberbullied in 2009 trying to learn how to cultivate on this website, back then it was way more brutal here and I was much younger so maybe I deserved it.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #28185324 - 02/13/23 11:09 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Evolution is a theory made by Scientists who believed in both God / Sprituality and Magic. To assume evolution is fact before you question the origins and powers of psilocybin is tainting the question before even asking it. It makes sense you wouldn’t experience the magic if you already decided what you believe.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #28185326 - 02/13/23 11:11 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I agree, don't get me wrong.:heart: Should have tried growing up in Texas (or most anywhere in the south) with the shit I saw in the late 70's and 80's, holy fuck!:scat: Maybe I should rephrase my thoughts. Going to work out, laters gators!:grin:


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    #28185327 - 02/13/23 11:13 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Evolution is a theory made by Scientists who believed in both God / Sprituality and Magic.




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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28185351 - 02/13/23 11:24 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I'm just here to say I can't stand anything about Alex Gray other than his art.


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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28185358 - 02/13/23 11:26 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God.— I think that generally (& more and more so as I grow older) but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28185367 - 02/13/23 11:36 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

i take that as the pursuit of the unknowable is what drives us. not that the answers themselves are unknowable.

because whats known is nothing and whats unknown is everything. that kinda crap.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: mushboy]
    #28185372 - 02/13/23 11:40 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I agree but right now we also do not know if the truth is known ... that’s what I am trying to say with the quote. It’s equally incorrect on both sides to assume and work from the basis of knowing with certainty. I don’t know that there is not magic, I just know I have not consciously experienced it or met anybody who was certain they had except for the type of people being referred to by OP

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    #28186139 - 02/13/23 08:04 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I agree with everything you've said here. Drugs are just drugs. Chemicals are chemicals. I'm just glad that there are lots of good rational people involved in psychedelics too.

I think the people who are into all that "mystical" stuff would have been like that anyway, whether they had encountered psychedelics or not. That's just their preexisting mental attitude. Which IMO is really sad. The world is a really beautiful, incredible, amazing place, just from a purely scientific atoms and electrons and chemicals point of view. I feel sad that some people will never get to see that.

But hey, live and let live right. It does bug me like it bugs you sometimes, and people like that can be annoying sometimes, but what are you gonna do. Some people believe in crazy stuff, that's life I guess. I appreciate hearing from someone rational and level headed though, it's always nice to know there are good rational people out there.

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    #28186596 - 02/14/23 02:09 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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"In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God.— I think that generally (& more and more so as I grow older) but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
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That quote is consistent with an empiricist who is looking for rational explanations of real-world observations. Not really the type of guy who would fit the description 'believes in magic'. Pretty much the opposite.
Also note the direction his faith apparently developed into: from more or less theist to agnostic - undoubtedly on methodological grounds. I can relate; I've always considered myself an agnost with atheist tendencies, also on methodological grounds.

Moreover, your reasoning doesn't hold much water. The simplified notion that "scientists who believed in God came up with credible theories" is true enough in many cases, but certainly not all. For many groundbreaking scientists, we simply don't know what beliefs they might have held because they were mostly smart enough to not rock the boat in areas where there was nothing to be gained for them. We all know Galilei, who did rock the boat, and suffered the consequences for it. Then there's the matter of trying to equate people engaged in scientific discovery with kids who just spout some hippie bullshit that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The fact that someone who's capable of systematically constructing theories consistent with evidence holds a certain belief doesn't mean that someone else who holds a sort of similar (bot not really) belief is automatically also capable of the same conceptual work. The vast majority of people aren't, which is why the vast majority of people aren't scientists and couldn't become them either.

Your theory is so full of holes that it lacks any coherence whatsoever.

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Re: Wacky people in the psychedelic scene [Re: koraks]
    #28187276 - 02/14/23 03:04 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I reckon the full moon, chakra crystal aligned, joss stick waving new age shamans who believe in mushroom gods are hilarious. The look in their eyes is way out there. Can just see all their creative brain cells exploding with enthusiasm when they get deep in their favourite "factual" topics. Things like "ooh wow, really? Tell me more" trigger them into a frenzy where their mind just starts to feed on itself. A sight to behold.

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    #28187403 - 02/14/23 05:13 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Had to look up joss stick, lol.


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    #28187492 - 02/14/23 06:16 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh: :grin:


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