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thealienthatategod
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28263531 - 04/05/23 11:49 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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the cultural reality is that G-d is receding in importance to ppl. money is growing in importance to ppl.
the gaposis in values between younger people and older generations means that what is central to the lives of ppl has dramatically shifted. values that have universally defined people are being abandoned. the values can manifest themseves in different way across cultures, but the basic principals and fundamentals are the same. priorities and beliefs that are deeply rooted in the human soul are being scoffed at. this has been engineered, it is not an inevitable conclusion of the passage of time! the roots have been torn away, and all that is left is a hole!
the core human values that bind people and civilizations together are what ensures a continued flourishing! a population of people is being cultivated which value their own comfort and the satisfaction of their own immediate desires above all else!
what do you value that is beyond yourself?
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redgreenvines
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28263548 - 04/05/23 11:55 AM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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money and god are both receding from our cognospheres, while entertainment, social media, merch, and gaming are on the ascendant.
money is just another word for god and power.
honesty and contemplation are valuable to me and being able to modestly satisfy my animal needs with dignity.
see this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations Note: the Vatican does not expose it's weath which is probably well more than a trillion $
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Kickle
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28263566 - 04/05/23 12:06 PM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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The Dalai Lama likes to point to a story of meeting the (former) Queen of England. She was his elder and more worldly. So he wanted to know her opinion.
He asked simply: in your estimation is humanity getting better?
Her response with no hesitation was, Yes! After living through nearly the entire 20th century, traversing the globe, she saw people engaging in ways she never dreamt possible. Accepting things she never thought they'd accept. And so for her she definitely saw humanity as getting better.
I think about that sometimes in relation to being raveled up in a limited slice of worldview.
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redgreenvines
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: Kickle]
#28263587 - 04/05/23 12:22 PM (9 months, 19 days ago) |
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Kickle said: The Dalai Lama likes to point to a story of meeting the (former) Queen of England. She was his elder and more worldly. So he wanted to know her opinion.
He asked simply: in your estimation is humanity getting better?
Her response with no hesitation was, Yes! After living through nearly the entire 20th century, traversing the globe, she saw people engaging in ways she never dreamt possible. Accepting things she never thought they'd accept. And so for her she definitely saw humanity as getting better.
I think about that sometimes in relation to being raveled up in a limited slice of worldview.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28264596 - 04/06/23 04:28 AM (9 months, 18 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
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Kickle said: The Dalai Lama likes to point to a story of meeting the (former) Queen of England. She was his elder and more worldly. So he wanted to know her opinion.
He asked simply: in your estimation is humanity getting better?
Her response with no hesitation was, Yes! After living through nearly the entire 20th century, traversing the globe, she saw people engaging in ways she never dreamt possible. Accepting things she never thought they'd accept. And so for her she definitely saw humanity as getting better.
I think about that sometimes in relation to being raveled up in a limited slice of worldview.

I am really happy with that I also think humanity i getting better there are so many good people like lotsang panta and redgreenvines and I who are pulling strings not that long to go to an ok earth where we have it ok maybe in two years there might be no limit to it maybe it will go on forever it will get better now and then we will have a crisis maybe but if we all do our best it will get much better fast for as long as possible
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Edited by Ferdinando (04/06/23 04:30 AM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: Ferdinando]
#28264647 - 04/06/23 06:08 AM (9 months, 18 days ago) |
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Am I like lotsang panta? who is lotsang? well, let's do our best to keep the floors clean.
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