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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: sudly] 1
#28189725 - 02/16/23 03:43 AM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Science should be used for the betterment and preservation of all living things. Humankind however, in a summative sense, is one big selfish dirty machine that is slowly but surely destroying the biosphere. Nature, its own unique way will eventually work out a solution to it. It is inevitable.
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sudly
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: SyntheticDreamer]
#28189738 - 02/16/23 04:20 AM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Well reap what we sow, but I do believe regulation by elected officials and legislations is what leads a lot of the poor decisions made from scientific endeavour.
A lot of problems wouldn't happen if regulations were upheld and enforced instead of removed.
The whole train chemical fire in Oregon issue appears to be related to negligence of maintanence and insufficient crew due to company policy changes aimed at saving money at the cost of safety.
Removing pollution standards and gutting the EPA are not helpful to the environment in the long run and they enable environmentally damaging activity.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: sudly]
#28189758 - 02/16/23 05:05 AM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Science should be perfectly open minded..
Drugs should be available for study at all times.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28189780 - 02/16/23 05:51 AM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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ideas are powerful, not all are scientific, how old does it have to be to be considered mature?
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28238367 - 03/20/23 05:48 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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older than time itself!
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28238547 - 03/20/23 07:26 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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then let immature ideas be your legacy
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28238701 - 03/20/23 08:26 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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how do you measure age?
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28238823 - 03/20/23 09:08 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
thealienthatategod said: how do you measure age?
Based on data?
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28239170 - 03/21/23 06:29 AM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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years you zoo ally
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: SyntheticDreamer] 3
#28239316 - 03/21/23 08:58 AM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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Humankind however, in a summative sense, is one big selfish dirty machine
I dunno about that. We seem relatively clean and generous. What are we comparing to?
Belated welcome to the forum SyntheticDreamer!
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#28239383 - 03/21/23 09:57 AM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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thealienthatategod said: why is there not a hippocratic oath for scientists or science? should science and scientists have a declaration of appropriate behaviour and guidance, like a code of ethics?
Please correct me, but your posts here read like you are concerned about the design/engineering/implementation of technologies rather than science, which is oriented around discovery and clarification of our understanding.
I don't mean to split hairs about it, and indeed the hairs are braided historically, but it raises the question of where the process of creating dangerous things might be interrupted. Do we refrain from curiosity? From innovation? Does the responsibility of gatekeeping fall to research ethics boards at universities? Scientific journals? Government allocation of resources? Venture capitalists? Do we need punitive laws for tinkering with pandora's box?
The process by which professions carve out space to self-regulate and establish ethics is interesting to me. There are already a bunch of codes of ethics in place for different professions and organizations. A strong enough professional body does seem to limit the ambition of individual organizations if the identities of the individuals involved abide more with the profession than the organization.
I think that as long as we associate with fundamentally opposed nations/cultures/organizations such that there are threats at the gates, it will be hard to put the reins on destructive advancement. A broad sense of responsibility seems to be deferred while we are fighting for survival.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: DisoRDeR]
#28239385 - 03/21/23 09:58 AM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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some of us are very busy and good others make no effort - they do pick low hanging fruit and never clean up after themselves (they are living in a post apocalyptic movie of themselves).
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: DisoRDeR]
#28239636 - 03/21/23 01:34 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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scientific endeavors designed to describe the amazingly intricate complexity of the physical world, and to define and describe the truth therein, are essential to comprehending and interacting with that world in a responsible manner.
scientific endeavors seeking to enable modification of man and the natural world, to enable a transhuman fourth industrial revolution where man and machine become one, where man assumes control of his own evolution via synthetic means, where biologigy is radically changed, these types of activities must have guardrails.
man must decide if he wants to live with or without the existance of a non-human moral objective standard, this will determine the general purpose of human life as a whole. these guardrails have the potential to serve and remind man that he is not G-d.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28239642 - 03/21/23 01:35 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
redgreenvines said: years you zoo ally
if you ran the zoo!
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28239654 - 03/21/23 01:42 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
BrendanFlock said:
Quote:
thealienthatategod said: how do you measure age?
Based on data?
rigid flexibility lies within a narrow band that must be critically balanced.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28239748 - 03/21/23 02:33 PM (10 months, 2 days ago) |
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Bend don't break? Why?
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: Kickle]
#28239888 - 03/21/23 03:43 PM (10 months, 2 days ago) |
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bending requires an accurate perception of the inner movement of a web of phenomena. in being attuned to this unfolding bending dynamic, there is a tension btwn that which is tacitly recognized as no longer useful, and that which continues to be accepted as profound.
either a gradual transformation - a rebalancing must take place, or radical transformation will occur. a radical transformation is a separation, a breaking, where existence as it is known ceases.
bending is a transformation process, however sometimes in order to transform this bending, it is necessary to first break.
sometimes, in order to exist, it is first necessary to cease to exist.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28239984 - 03/21/23 04:44 PM (10 months, 2 days ago) |
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you mean the body? the mind is bent instantaneously at the speed of thought (1/10th of a second to bend) the body however can get stiff, especially while sitting. or
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#28239986 - 03/21/23 04:44 PM (10 months, 2 days ago) |
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I like the heart sutra because it emphasizes the way that one of the deepest connections there is, exists in an unbelievably flexible way. And it is in perfect balance, sometimes we just don't recognize it.
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Re: if science has “matured” to the point where it “can” change nature, should it? [Re: Kickle]
#28240023 - 03/21/23 05:04 PM (10 months, 2 days ago) |
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"Form is emptiness (śūnyatā), emptiness is form." now you are invoking the deeepest reflection upon mind
It is a thing I understand from time to time, while at other times I am not in position to recognize it.
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