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mwojo
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] 1
#28176293 - 02/07/23 01:47 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Throwing a data point into the tomentose vs rhizomorphic discussion, I'm doing a side by side currently of two cultures cultivated from transfers originating on the same original MSS agar, one heavily Tomentose one heavily Rhizomorphic and so far it only looks like only difference really is that the tomentose is just taking a bit longer to pin. No overlay differences here.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Seeker604] 5
#28176477 - 02/07/23 04:28 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Seeker604 said: With all due respect, if you take the time to read this thread from the beginning, you will see the overlay issues they encountered and that using tomentose led to fewer issues with overlay.
What spawn to sub ratio are you using for aggressive rhizo grows?
Peace & Light,
Seeker604
I read the whole thread and compiled notes from it. See the post in my sig for some useful summaries organized by topic.
What you're saying is not a fair summation, IMO. If you read the whole way through this thread, at some point the "myc pheno selection for overlay avoidance" discussion results in exactly what others are saying here, that all kinds of myc have produced more or less overlay for various growers.
In my experience, the clones I've taken have neither strong rhizo or strong tomentose characteristics, but a silky/strandy look similar to azure myc that I'd say leans rhizo but without all the crazy branching. And none of my clones had bad overlay. So I look for silky myc when I can find it. Otherwise, I fruit whatever is fast and clean, and take clones.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] 5
#28176492 - 02/07/23 04:40 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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chris77 said: the green cap is environment-related and not a genetic trait as in a phenotype. i see it as related to humidity levels. that's my opinion and experience anyway
  
 
These MS tubs grew side-by-side & fruited within a week of each other. Same prep, same moisture, same conditions. 1-4 are random MS, while #5 is the result of selecting for green caps over multiple generations. I think the overlay is genetic too. Whatever your culture looks like, if it wants to overlay, it will.
I remember AKA had overlay issues that were remedied by going back to spore and trying a different culture. Works for me any time I run into a dead end.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers] 1
#28176515 - 02/07/23 04:59 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Moopers said: What you're saying is not a fair summation, IMO. If you read the whole way through this thread, at some point the "myc pheno selection for overlay avoidance" discussion results in exactly what others are saying here, that all kinds of myc have produced more or less overlay for various growers.
Thank you for an appropriate response. I cited my progress through the thread to acknowledge that the issue could have been addressed (I am still in process of reading it in my free time). Thank you also for the work you have done. I will definitely access your notes for my own understanding.
I respect and appreciate a polite and educated response moreso than chest pounding responses that do not support their claims without providing evidence like the initial group of growers in the thread provided. I’m learning a lot by how they are all interacting with each other and how they are approaching the mysteries of the variety as they go along.
I’m grateful there are people such as yourself here. Thank you again for your response.
Peace & Light,
Seeker604
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: MojaveMyc]
#28176518 - 02/07/23 05:02 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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MojaveMyc said: I remember AKA had overlay issues that were remedied by going back to spore and trying a different culture. Works for me any time I run into a dead end.
Thank you for your pictures and additional information on how they were able to address the overlay issue.
Peace & Light,
Seeker604
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Seeker604] 3
#28176536 - 02/07/23 05:26 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Seeker604 said: I respect and appreciate a polite and educated response moreso than chest pounding responses that do not support their claims without providing evidence like the initial group of growers in the thread provided.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla] 3
#28176560 - 02/07/23 05:54 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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I ran 5 shoeboxes from a swab to agar. I got both phenotypes and no overlay. Same environment, didn't care about growth on the plates as long as it was clean. IMO it is all genetics. I believe mine came from the same lineage as Guerrilla through like 3 other people.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla] 5
#28176603 - 02/07/23 06:31 PM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Guerrilla said:
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Seeker604 said: I respect and appreciate a polite and educated response moreso than chest pounding responses that do not support their claims without providing evidence like the initial group of growers in the thread provided.

chest pounding?? there are primates present you bigot
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4 pints colonizing nicely.

4 T2 plates going to quarts today.


First time working with Natalensis.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Seeker604]
#28178817 - 02/09/23 05:45 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Who is yoshi can you link or tell me his site name
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My first pins...
This is an extra jar, my other jars are Mason with lids. They're about 3/4 colonized. This one must have something other than mycelium in it, probably due to the lid alowing in whatever is in the air?
Might try it tomorrow!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: RescueU] 1
#28180599 - 02/10/23 08:17 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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I need some advice on this shoebox of nats. Its my first time running nats so I don't have any previous experience with this species. My shoebox is fruiting but they're a lot smaller and thinner than I expected. They don't quite have the spaghetti pheno that I've seen before but I could be off on that. The shoebox is 1qt of spawn to 2.5qts of CV total with the last 1/2qt as a pseudo casing. I compressed it quite a bit. I didn't put my weight down on it when tamping but I used a good amount of pressure to cut down on side pins. I flipped the lid to help give it more FAE but I'm a bit worried that it may be too much. My heat is on since its winter and the temp is sitting around 68F but the constant airflow has me concerned. Below is a pic of the shoebox this morning as well as a pic of the plate I used to inoculate my WBS with. I figured the plate was just nat doing nat shit but it could have been bacterial due to my noob eye. The spawn broke up easily with a shake when I spawned the tub.
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I don’t flip my lids and do 1.5:1 ratio and grow in slightly cooler temps and get nice fruits. I’m getting 1.5-2oz dried per myco quart.
I use the shoeboxes with the purple handles and leave them latched.
Edited to fix units on yields.
Edited by BlueAndOrange (02/10/23 12:56 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: milkboy]
#28180898 - 02/10/23 12:50 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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1.5-2g I know you meant z, you high bro?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
#28180905 - 02/10/23 12:55 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Guerrilla said: 1.5-2g I know you meant z, you high bro?
Oops. Yes. Ounces.
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Cool cool good to know. I flipped it after it started to pin since they like more fae. I flipped them back. Hopefully they’ll get bigger on the 2nd flush
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Perhaps sub was too dry? Could be genetic lottery, but if not, that'd be my guess. Good long soak after first flush should fix that.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers]
#28180986 - 02/10/23 01:57 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Gotcha. I had normal field capacity - a few drops would drop when I squeezed the shit out of it - but I was thinking that too. I’ll soak it for a few hours after this flush and see what the 2nd brings
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