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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: durian_2008]
    #28176306 - 02/07/23 01:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/





What does that have to do with anything about this thread, or what I said?

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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: vandago]
    #28176339 - 02/07/23 02:18 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

:stoned2: Drugs tainted with chemicals.

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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28176351 - 02/07/23 02:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Accurate cause of death statistics including toxicology required to determine od are relatively modern and first world

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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: vandago]
    #28176430 - 02/07/23 03:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/





What does that have to do with anything about this thread, or what I said?




You gotta read between the lines, maaaan.

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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: veggie]
    #28176437 - 02/07/23 03:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

A 2-year-old could die from eating almost any legal drug at the store, but they won't ban those because every idiot in the entire world loves alcohol, tobacco, and junk food. Only ignorant idiots want to ban kratom or cannabis or psychedelics or drugs in general.

In other news, crime rates have gone up over the last few decades because people don't face consequences for committing crimes anymore. They are protected from the people they committed the crimes against, or the people they hurt when they get incarcerated. Laws don't prevent people from doing something wrong, they just attempt to prevent people from doing things. The right thing to do to a pedo/rapist is to shoot them in the head, but the law says that's illegal. It is preventing people from doing the right thing.

Back then, when somebody did something wrong, they faced very painful repercussions and probably rarely reoffended, and if they did, they probably got killed, as they should have been, and as they should be now for things like rape and pedophilia, but no, they are protected from the people they hurt by being incarcerated, therefore they don't face any consequences, and they don't even care that they were incarcerated because they were tired of the outside world and people anyway, so the cops are literally doing them a favor by incarcerating them, when rapists and pedophiles deserve to be shot in the head.

They're protecting them from the consequences of their actions. Shooting someone in the head IS a humane way of killing them. Animals don't have guns. When they kill those stray cats that are threatening to make certain species of wildlife go extinct, the humane way of killing them is to shoot them in the head.

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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: thirtygoats]
    #28176575 - 02/07/23 06:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Some producers in my area have begun mixing and marketing tianeptine with Kratom, and selling Gummy bears with Kratom extract...They even sell cookies and fruit roll ups with Kratom extract, I actually have a package now...and the gummy bear package contains 500mg mitragyanine to every 5 gummy bears. (Pretty potent considering the amount)

But it can all go back to leave it untampered.

I’m pro almost all natural alkaloids and their plants.
Whereas big pharma is somehow linked to most deaths...

When morphine and codeine and thebaine were being used in their natural states, you never used to hear about opiate pandemics, mass ODs, and I’m relatively confident in saying that the way morphine works is MUCH less addictive than short lasting powerful narcotics (semi-synthetic)




Opium was a problem, historically, in countries like the US and China. Morphine was a big problem, post civil war, in the US.





Yes, I know morphine abuse was a problem after the American civil war, ww1, even ww2...I know opium dens used to be very prevalent...I think what I meant to say is...either people cared less and all the ODs...but as a whole...you can clearly see a HUGE difference from pre- to post- heroin use age...followed by the age of prescriptions.

As for me...morphine and codeine worked better for pain, but didn’t cause the same “euphoric rush” that is so addicting...but the fast acting short lasting opiates did.

Or maybe information from back then was so inaccurate that there simply is no way to tell...perhaps people who ODd were tossed into nearest shallow grave, not even becoming a statistic, and thus not a problem that society had to deal with.




I think sugar bear nailed it. "This feller died from bad humors" says the old-timey doctor.

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A 2-year-old could die from eating almost any legal drug at the store, but they won't ban those because every idiot in the entire world loves alcohol, tobacco, and junk food. Only ignorant idiots want to ban kratom or cannabis or psychedelics or drugs in general.

In other news, crime rates have gone up over the last few decades because people don't face consequences for committing crimes anymore. They are protected from the people they committed the crimes against, or the people they hurt when they get incarcerated. Laws don't prevent people from doing something wrong, they just attempt to prevent people from doing things. The right thing to do to a pedo/rapist is to shoot them in the head, but the law says that's illegal. It is preventing people from doing the right thing.

Back then, when somebody did something wrong, they faced very painful repercussions and probably rarely reoffended, and if they did, they probably got killed, as they should have been, and as they should be now for things like rape and pedophilia, but no, they are protected from the people they hurt by being incarcerated, therefore they don't face any consequences, and they don't even care that they were incarcerated because they were tired of the outside world and people anyway, so the cops are literally doing them a favor by incarcerating them, when rapists and pedophiles deserve to be shot in the head.

They're protecting them from the consequences of their actions. Shooting someone in the head IS a humane way of killing them. Animals don't have guns. When they kill those stray cats that are threatening to make certain species of wildlife go extinct, the humane way of killing them is to shoot them in the head.





"In other news, crime rates have gone up over the last few decades because people don't face consequences for committing crimes anymore."

If major societal problems seem simple and easy to fix, it's likely you don't have a good understanding of these problems.


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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: schmutzen]
    #28176609 - 02/07/23 06:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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vandago said:
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durian_2008 said:
As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/





What does that have to do with anything about this thread, or what I said?




You gotta read between the lines, maaaan.

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I remember as a kid watching an episode of quincy, m.e. about hippies dying from paraquat pot. Seems to be scrubbed from the imdb record but my brain remembers


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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #28177459 - 02/08/23 10:35 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

We never asked who sprayed the paraquaot or how to cook something that can't be touched. A bunch of bathsalt zombies lurch out from one head shop, they collapse, and the authorities don't know which one.


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