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Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! * 1
    #28175807 - 02/07/23 07:04 AM (11 months, 14 days ago)




If "just shut up and take it" goes for anything, its Vitamin D3.

It has more and more potent health benefits proven, such as immune boost, more favorable outcomes in respiratory infections and now also diabetes.


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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: Asante] * 2
    #28176424 - 02/07/23 03:32 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I looked at the referenced study since "Dr" Campbell is pretty awful at analyzing research (when he's not being deliberately disingenuous and pushing covid misinformation), it's very far from insane diabetes benefits based on the actual study. If you dig into the 3 studies used in the meta-analysis, all 3 of them concluded that taking vitamin D actually has no benefit over taking a placebo. It was only when combined into a meta-analysis and adjusted in a specific way that a (small, 3.3%) absolute risk reduction can be seen.

In the 2,097 who were taking vitamin D, 475 developed diabetes while of the 2,093 who received a placebo, 524 developed diabetes. Those with higher serum levels of vitamin D faired better than those with lower, and their plasma levels fluctuated despite taking the same daily doses. This leaves the pretty obvious confound that pretty much all vitamin D studies end up with, many people who are otherwise unhealthy have lower vitamin D levels, and many diseases/disorders (that predispose you to bad outcomes in these studies) are thought to deplete vitamin D, making vitamin D look like a miracle cure for every ailment.

In short- a better study is needed but it's possible that higher levels of vitamin D could reduce rates of prediabetes turning into diabetes on a population level by a few percentage points, but on an individual level no one should rely on it to do much of anything for their prediabetes, even under the most generous application of the statistics.

The risks of daily ingestion of unregulated mystery chemicals should always factor into the equation as well IMO. I personally try to get at least 20 minutes of sun a day in the summer, and my levels seem to stay fine through the winter without supplementation. Having too much can be harmful and people really should have their levels checked and talk to a doctor before self-medicating


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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: feevers]
    #28176831 - 02/07/23 09:19 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I listened to a long discussion with a professor who lead research into D3 as a supplement recently. His opinion is that it is a vitamin company scam and holds no place in healthcare except in extreme circumstances with immunocompromised patients who are unable to produce it due to organ problems. Rather than being something that is generally used by the body is more of a marker of metabolic health. Thus adding more doesn't change the underlying condition of the patient at all.


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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: Northerner]
    #28179337 - 02/09/23 11:31 AM (11 months, 12 days ago)

is the discussion something that you can link to here?  was the professor's research funded by big pharma?  i just don't understand how they could have this opinion.

at least 50% of the worlds population does not get adequate sun exposure to support healthy vitamin d levels.

vitamin d is a memeber of trans-activating transcription factors and regulates the expression of more than 900 genes!  interfering with the vital reactions of vitamin d, in a negative way, will cause disease, and conversely, improving and restoring these reactions will be therapeutic.

humans are literally what they absorb.  to maintain health all nutrients required by the body must be available to ensure well being.  and bc vitamin d plays a key role in insulin production and immune function, it is essential to health.

drugs are heavily advertised, and expensive, bc it takes a lot of public persuasion to promote products that are rarely effective that carry major side effects with them, including death.  the major side effect of taking vitamin d is longer life!

i am using my happy uvb light right now!


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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #28179634 - 02/09/23 02:48 PM (11 months, 11 days ago)

It was a radio discussion so there's no link. There's been a few meta-analyses done in recent years coming up with the same conclusion. A quick internet search turns up a lot of information on it.

The supplementation industry is also big pharma, they are worth $40B a year in the US alone, it's just largely unregulated.

Studies aren't saying that vitamin D isn't important, just that in the vast majority of cases pharmaceutical supplementation is worthless. The bottom line being that in the majority of cases taking vitamin D pills will not give you longer life, better bones or better outcomes. Just a lighter wallet.

Conversely UV lamps are proven to improve the biological processes that create vitamin D within the body, which has a whole slew of health benefits. No one disputes that. Really though the best solution is sunshine, and even if it's overcast and cold the UV rays still go right through the clouds. All people have to do is go outside.

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The Man Who Sold America On Vitamin D — And Profited In The Process


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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: Northerner]
    #28180883 - 02/10/23 12:42 PM (11 months, 11 days ago)

big pharma is pressuring the fda to ban certain supplements, not for your health and safety, but bc of pure greed.  certainly nothing to do with having the best intentions for human needs in mind.  big pharma and the fda wld like ppl to be so dependent on the pharmaceutical system, that they want any alternative gone.  does the dietary supplement industry make billions in profits, sure.  do you know what the future holds?  consolidation and control of the dietary supplement industry thru unnecessary regulation that will eventually lead to prescription vitamins. 

where currently you cld get a daily dose of vitamin c for a penny, in a decade that daily supplemental doses of vitamin c will cost the consumer several dollars, and will only come in prescription form.  ppl getting healthier through natural means is a problem for big pharma, bc it means less prescriptions, and takes away from their bottom line!  the solution is of course to make natural remedies like dietary supplementation into a prescription!  if someone takes oral d3 along with other lifestyle changes and they don’t get diabetes, this is a whole lot cheaper than the cost of diabetes and diabetes complications!

for many it’s not simply a matter of going outside, in modern industrialized society, a person is lucky to get outside and get an hour of sunlight per day cycle.  and then, when this person does get outside, they are told to use toxic sunscreen and cover up bc the sun is dangerous.  humans evolved to spend most of their life out of doors. humans did not evolve to live in current synthetic conditions.  if someone can not get sun exposure, (for seven months of the year i have to wear two layers of pants, several shirts, a thick coat, gloves, and two hats to go outside, and i am not alone in this, so to say that i am getting uvb exposure thru my clothing is just plain wrong, my face wld be the only part of my body getting exposure, which is a relatively small surface area) and if a person  cannot afford a uvb light (although a quality one is now less than $50) then d3 supplementation is effective!  my serum 25(oh)d3 concentrations has dropped as low as 2 ng/ml in the fall/winter! oral supplementation with d3 is not worthless.  it may be controversial, but that's only because the studies on it for starters do a poor job of recognizing that certain populations might be at greater risk for poor vitamin d status, and due to time constraints of studies, they fails to recognize that frequency and duration influences the efficacy of supplementation.

here is an actual proper study,

the importance of dose, frequency and duration of vitamin d supplementation for plasma 25-hydroxyvitamin d

as you can see, main issue is that d3 oral supplementation is dose, frequency, and duration dependent.

again, vitamin d being involved in the expression of over 900 genes, roughly 5 percent of the human protein-encoding genome, and there are receptors for d3 on every cell in the body, means that d3 supplementation for those in need bc of lifestyle and genetic factors cld be the difference between health and disease.

a great option, especially for this community, make your own vitamin d supplment!



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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #28181013 - 02/10/23 02:14 PM (11 months, 10 days ago)

The majority of the supplement industry is already owned by big pharma, more than 80% a few years back and no doubt even more now. The reason there has been talk of regulating it is because the majority of supplement consumption is unnecessary and even dangerous. A financial drain on society harming many people. Big pharma obviously does not want this cash cow slayed.

Not everything the government does is a puppet fuck of the population.

No one has been arguing against the importance of D, it's known that it's needed. It's great that in your extreme conditions D supplementation can help. But understand you are in an extreme minority here. For everyone who doesn't live in an icy tundra the health guidelines that have always applied still do. No pills required.


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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: Northerner]
    #28181026 - 02/10/23 02:26 PM (11 months, 10 days ago)

i am not in the minority, at least 50% of the worlds population does not get adequate sun exposure to support healthy vitamin d levels.

the fda places financial interests over human health.  there is quite the gaposis in managing disease versus managing nutrition.

ideally, an individual shld purchase dietary supplements from small family-owned businesses.


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    #28181349 - 02/10/23 06:50 PM (11 months, 10 days ago)

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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #28203283 - 02/24/23 09:27 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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i am using my happy uvb light right now!





why not just go outside?  Just curious, not trying to sound rude.


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    #28212195 - 03/03/23 08:37 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

i am about to go outside right now, i will be wearing two pairs of pants, three shirts, a jacket, two hats, a scarf and gloves!  i maybe have 4 square inches of my skin on my face cheeks exposed! it's just not enough sun!

i remember when uvb lights first came out they were very expensive, now even some goverments provide them to their citizens, for ppl that are living at more northern latitudes!



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Re: Vitamin D3 - now there are also insane diabetes benefits! [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #28215193 - 03/05/23 12:33 AM (10 months, 19 days ago)

ah, I see.  I live in Southern California so I am always outside working, exercising, or living.

I believe the old rule is 15 minutes of sun on your arms and face for enough vitamin D, but could be wrong!

I would supplement, mushrooms have vitamin D in them, just expose them to sunlight check out Paul Stamet's info on it.  Mushrooms are low in calories, so you can eat a decent amount and not have to worry about the calories if you're into such things.


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