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ID request x 2
    #28174340 - 02/06/23 02:03 AM (11 months, 14 days ago)

Two species found growing adjacent to each other on grass. Lots of hot rain about, tropical far north east Australia

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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Northerner]
    #28174836 - 02/06/23 12:12 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

A Clitocybe species, not sure what one though.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: manOwar]
    #28174996 - 02/06/23 03:06 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

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A Clitocybe species, not sure what one though.




I'd say these are two different species. Hard to tell without more information or in situ shots, though.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Anglerfish]
    #28175083 - 02/06/23 04:30 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

Yes they are certainly different.

In situ they were growing out of trimmed grass in small clumps. No apparent wood around. More than 500m away from any forest.

What more info should I provide?


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Northerner]
    #28175359 - 02/06/23 07:50 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

I can certainly see why they would appear to be different , however, I think they are the same species, the only clear difference is the form of the caps, but I think that has to do with slightly different microclimates. The smaller diameter caps look like they are much dryer than the others, like they were sticking out of the grass more. I could be wrong, of course.
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Yes they are certainly different.

In situ they were growing out of trimmed grass in small clumps. No apparent wood around. More than 500m away from any forest.

What more info should I provide?




Closeup macro shots of each specimen, in situ shots, and most importantly spore prints, to start with.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Northerner]
    #28175510 - 02/06/23 10:01 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

Maybe it's all Clitocybe.    Are the spores smooth at 1000x in Melzer's reagent?


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #28175586 - 02/06/23 11:53 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I don't have a scope. I do have a DSLR and can take hi-res macro shots.

What's happening is one of my kids is now into fungus and finding and IDing them. Might pay to buy them a starter scope and a few things to help them along.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Northerner]
    #28175688 - 02/07/23 02:42 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

You can definitely still make prints and see if they are the same color. Although I could see the stunted caps being difficult about depositing a visible print from.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: manOwar]
    #28175717 - 02/07/23 04:17 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

Smaller specimens from the collection were printed yesterday.

1 no spores




2 dropped white spores



that's about as macro as I can get at the moment


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Northerner]
    #28176014 - 02/07/23 09:52 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I still say they are both Clitocybe and most likely the same species, I don’t see anything that wouldn’t result from age or environmental impact.
Macro shots of the stipe and pileus, are also extremely helpful. Really, any bit, with different color or texture, from other parts of the mushroom, should have their own close-ups. Especially comparisons of anything that appears different between the two.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Northerner]
    #28176033 - 02/07/23 10:03 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

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2 dropped white spores




That is consistent with Clitocybe.  I could also see it being a Melanoleuca.



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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #28176400 - 02/07/23 03:06 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

Lepista panaeolus grows in grass, has a white spores, comes in both grey and white phenotype, and it has those little cracks on the cap.


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Re: ID request x 2 [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #28176749 - 02/07/23 08:15 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

Maybe they are two different species,the gills are serrate on the one with the bigger cap, but it could just be that it’s not evident because of attenuated development on the smaller cap.


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