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2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract
February 1, 2023 - The Advocate
 Around 1 a.m. on April 17, 2021, Laci Kanada finished taking a bath and found her two-year-old daughter had stopped breathing, police reports say.
She rushed her to the bathroom and let the water run over body, trying to wake her, and attempted CPR, but it was too late: Elizabeth Kanada-Martin was taken to the hospital, where she was pronounced dead, the reports say.
A coroner's report says the girl died from poisoning after ingesting combined drugs: “An extraordinarily high, lethal level” of tianeptine, an antidepressant drug that acts like an opioid — and the herbal extract kratom. Described in the report as a “psychoactive botanical substance,” the coroner wrote that kratom “affects the same opioid brain receptors as morphine.”
Elizabeth's death, which had not previously been disclosed to the public, brought negligent homicide charges for Kanada, to which she pleaded no contest. And now that officials are discussing it publicly, the case has brought more tragic attention to two burning issues in Livingston Parish and Louisiana: the death of toddlers under the watch of the state child welfare agency and a debate over banning kratom.
Advocates of kratom argue it can help relieve pain and serve as a safer alternative to drugs like opioids. But law enforcement officials say kratom is being used to dangerously enhance illegal substances, heightening the ongoing overdose problem across the state and parish.
Elizabeth's death happened before those of Mitchell Robinson, 2, and Jahrei Paul, 1, both of whom overdosed on fentanyl in Baton Rouge last year. Their deaths brought enormous scrutiny on the state Department of Children and Family Services, which had been warned about both toddlers' families but failed to assess the children before they died.
DCFS leaders have said critical staffing shortages and soaring caseloads are hampering their efforts to protect children.
In Elizabeth's case, DCFS decided that Elizabeth could stay in Kanada's home as long as she worked toward getting sober, and caseworkers would periodically check in on them. A worker checked on the family in March and gave a positive assessment, saying they would review the case and possibly close it in April.
But before they could, tragedy struck.
'She never thought her child would die from it'
Elizabeth's case emerged Tuesday evening during a heated Livingston Parish Council ordinance committee meeting about whether to ban kratom. Dr. Ron Coe, the local coroner, testified about the impact of the herbal extract on the community.
Although the parish has only seen a handful of kratom-related deaths in the last two years, Coe cited Elizabeth's overdose as a flashpoint. Of the few people who have died with kratom in their systems, all had tested positive for other drugs, he said.
After her toddler's death, Kanada told detectives Elizabeth had discovered the pack of kratom pills she had bought at a local tobacco shop, police records say. She said she kept the pills in her purse, usually out of the child's reach.
Kanada said she took the herbal extract for pain management and to “stay off of opioids,” the documents say.
A few hours before Elizabeth's death, Kanada caught her trying to eat the kratom pills, police reports say. She told police she managed to fish two pills out of the child's mouth, but a third had partially dissolved — and she wasn't sure whether Elizabeth had broken into the 3-pack or 5-pack of kratom pills, which she bought locally in Livingston Parish.
“She said after that she never thought her child would die from it,” the police report says.
The police report does not specify how the toddler ingested the other substance — tianeptine — that led to her death, or clarify if it was adulterating the kratom product Kanada purchased.
Should it be banned?
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration calls kratom a "drug and chemical of concern" that has been found to provide an energy boost at low doses but sedative, opioid-like effects at higher ones. While the product is not regulated under the Controlled Substances Act, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved kratom for any medical use.
Livingston Parish Sheriff Jason Ard said his deputies rarely make a drug bust where kratom is not present. When asked if the parish should criminalize possession or distribution, he answered without hesitation: "I'd say ban it all."
But others in the audience Tuesday night argued kratom should be regulated, not banned. Those who use kratom to manage depression, anxiety and chronic pain may turn to more dangerous substances like fentanyl and opioids in the absence of the extract, said Paul Schexnaydre.
Schexnaydre, a veteran, said kratom has helped him cope with his PTSD and allowed him to better parent his children. As the council spoke favorably about banning the extract following law enforcement testimony, Schexnaydre grew visibly upset.
"I’m a law-abiding citizen," he said. "You’re just about to make me a criminal."
A mother in crisis
About six months before Elizabeth died, the Department of Children and Family Services had made contact with Kanada when she overdosed on heroin, records show. Kanada spent eight hours in the hospital recovering.
The DCFS report describes in detail how Kanada was experiencing several mental health challenges as she struggled with PTSD symptoms and a history of surviving domestic violence.
Kanada told authorities the heroin incident was a relapse during a difficult time after several years of sobriety. With a safety plan in place, the department declined to remove the toddler from the home.
A follow-up drug screen was negative, and reports show Elizabeth appeared happy and healthy to caseworkers. The reports note some safety concerns, but there was ultimately not enough evidence to determine Kanada was unfit to supervise her child, staff found.
In the police report, detectives noted the case and said it appeared Kanada complied with all DCFS requests and adhered to the case plan arranged by DCFS family services.
A spokesperson for DCFS did not immediately return a request for comment.
After her child's death, Kanada admitted to police that she had used methamphetamine three nights before the incident, causing her to lose sleep, and said that she had smoked marijuana hours before she found her toddler. Several reports described how she appeared under the influence when emergency personnel responded to the crisis.
In 2022, Kanada took a no contest plea to negligent homicide and a drug charge. She was sentenced to five years in prison. The public defender who represented Kanada at the time of her plea did not return a request for comment.
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Technically, the headline is correct, that the girl died sometime after eating a small amount of kratom. But kratom was not the cause of death.
The headline implies that kratom was the cause of death.
The article indicates that tianeptine was the cause of death.
The overdose death of two children from fentanyl and this girls death from tianeptine somehow brings about a call to ban kratom. Makes absolutely no sense. 
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#28171225 - 02/03/23 07:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Wtf... Most of these journalists are lame as fuck, flippy flop ass lawn chairs. Say anything just to garner some attention.
Kratom was not responsible for these tragic deaths at all.
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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: BoomerMan420]
#28171285 - 02/03/23 08:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I like the sheriff saying they never make a bust where there isn't kratom present. I wonder if there were tobacco products present as well. What are you trying to say there, sheriff?
They've wanted these types of things banned from the beginning. They just needed a dead child to associate with the substance. I remember reading about a crackdown on sellers of bulk poppy seeds stemming from a minor's death. Isn't it some kind of logical fallacy to infer something about a substance from its abuse it misuse? I read the other day that methamphetamine is manufactured and prescribed legally in the United States. Is used for treating extreme cases of apnea and obesity. Nothing redeeming there, nope, not at all.
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#28171327 - 02/03/23 08:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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L.A.'s problems are solved. Would of been an epidemic for two year olds.
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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: veggie]
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Of the few people who have died with kratom in their systems, all had tested positive for other drugs, he said.
If the pills contain tarry extracts, crystalline concentrates, or synthetic isomers, resembling any opiate-containing specie, anywhere, ever, it might be just as dangerous as the poppy.
That falls under informed consent and cognitive liberty. It's not a moral dilemma.
I neither believe that the parents were generally good people, nor in a system that steals children away. My uncle's family were well wishers, who couldn't have kids of their own. But, the foster system never worked out well for any of my (tortured) elementary school friends. Some people listen with pricked ears, for every opportunity.
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Of the few people who have died with kratom in their systems, all had tested positive for other drugs, he said.
If the pills contain tarry extracts, crystalline concentrates, or synthetic isomers, resembling any opiate-containing specie, anywhere, ever, it might be just as dangerous as the poppy.
If the pills contain anything, anywhere, ever it might be just as dangerous as the poppy.
You are using some real weaselly words there, the devils in the details.
If someone with "extraordinarily high levels of tianeptine" in their system dies I dont see how a person could possibly lay blame on kratom alone. Kratom may very well have been a factor, but it clearly has a better track record then tianeptine. This cilds death is clearly the fault of the garbage junkie parent. If the child had consumed OTC pills or tide pods from the laundry room they would be just as dead.
Banning kratrom would definitely solve the problem for good and I wont be told otherwise!
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Why do I feel like no child could possibly figure out a way to consume that vile powder, and the mother was administering it to dope the kid up thinking it’s safe? Eating that stuff is a fucking chore.
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#28173296 - 02/05/23 11:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Plain and simple....their first attempt to ban Kratom failed due to lack of public knowledge...(as a whole).
They learned the lesson that people will be generally against something if they attach it to children dying, ODs, horror stories...etc,
Once public opinion has been cultivated, they will try again.
There is a step by step propoganda process for how to ban things.
Also, take 400 million people, 5-10 will do something stupid.
Only way to fight back is the general public calling out the bullshit.
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#28173340 - 02/05/23 11:48 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Of the few people who have died with kratom in their systems, all had tested positive for other drugs...
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If the pills contain tarry extracts, crystalline concentrates, or synthetic isomers, resembling any opiate-containing specie, anywhere, ever, it might be just as dangerous as the poppy.
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You are using some real weaselly words there, the devils in the details.
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I dont see how a person could possibly lay blame on kratom alone.
 If the pills contain tarry extracts, crystalline concentrates, or synthetic isomers, called "kratom".
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If someone with "extraordinarily high levels of tianeptine" in their system dies Kratom may very well have been a factor, but it clearly has a better track record then tianeptine. This cilds death is clearly the fault of the garbage junkie parent. If the child had consumed OTC pills or tide pods from the laundry room they would be just as dead.
100% agreed.
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Banning kratrom would definitely solve the problem for good and I wont be told otherwise!
I don't consider it any better or worse than the poppy, or plants that are used as kratom substitutes, where kratom was made illegal.
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That falls under informed consent and cognitive liberty. It's not a moral dilemma.
With no offense intended toward present company, I insist that childstealing should be stigmatized, as a career choice.
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Yeah, I agree. Kids aren't going to be drawn to it and it would be foul to the taste buds and they wouldn't take it. Think it is a stupid reason for what the lawmakers are going for.
I do get the pills that look and taste like candy like edibles and such with gummie bears and brownies and such. Really, just Kratom one of the last things a 2 year old would use and not spit it out immediately.
Put it on the general overall public with fines, probation, and possible county jail time where one lives. They are that dumb.
The vast majority are not that do use it are not.
But yet that is the platform they are running on. Stupid.
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It takes me a good ten minutes to ingest even close to the amount needed. That stuff is putrid.
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Tianeptine is a tricyclic antidepressannt, a class of compounds known to be deadly, kratom is a herb.
Tianeptine killed, kratom was just, present.
Tianeptine represents Big Pharma.
Tianeptine wins.
Never stray from taking chemical pills, young ones.
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Tianeptine is unscheduled in the usa and known as gas station heroin. Given this mother was buying prepackaged kratom pills it is possible that they were a spiked with tianeptine.
We also have boner pills which are sold as herbal but usually have one or the other ed drug.
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Some producers in my area have begun mixing and marketing tianeptine with Kratom, and selling Gummy bears with Kratom extract...They even sell cookies and fruit roll ups with Kratom extract, I actually have a package now...and the gummy bear package contains 500mg mitragyanine to every 5 gummy bears. (Pretty potent considering the amount)
But it can all go back to leave it untampered.
I’m pro almost all natural alkaloids and their plants.
Whereas big pharma is somehow linked to most deaths...
When morphine and codeine and thebaine were being used in their natural states, you never used to hear about opiate pandemics, mass ODs, and I’m relatively confident in saying that the way morphine works is MUCH less addictive than short lasting powerful narcotics (semi-synthetic)
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Some producers in my area have begun mixing and marketing tianeptine with Kratom, and selling Gummy bears with Kratom extract...They even sell cookies and fruit roll ups with Kratom extract, I actually have a package now...and the gummy bear package contains 500mg mitragyanine to every 5 gummy bears. (Pretty potent considering the amount)
But it can all go back to leave it untampered.
I’m pro almost all natural alkaloids and their plants.
Whereas big pharma is somehow linked to most deaths...
When morphine and codeine and thebaine were being used in their natural states, you never used to hear about opiate pandemics, mass ODs, and I’m relatively confident in saying that the way morphine works is MUCH less addictive than short lasting powerful narcotics (semi-synthetic)
Opium was a problem, historically, in countries like the US and China. Morphine was a big problem, post civil war, in the US.
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Banning kratom will make Louisiana safe again, aside from the fact that Louisiana has the highest violent crime rate in the country and the 4th highest traffic fatality rate.
The real problem is that if everyone's using kratom to get off dope, then they won't have as many people to bust and enslave. So naturally, criminalizing kratom is the next move. Problem solved.
It's seriously difficult to underscore just how fucked up Louisiana is. And blaming a total failure of the social safety net on a random substance is absolutely par for the course.
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Tianeptine is a tricyclic antidepressannt, a class of compounds known to be deadly, kratom is a herb.
Tianeptine killed, kratom was just, present.
Tianeptine represents Big Pharma.
Tianeptine wins.
Never stray from taking chemical pills, young ones.
I’m sure a child mixing drugs doesn’t make the situation safer. It’s no secret some mothers can’t stand the crying and dope up their kids.
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As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/
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Some producers in my area have begun mixing and marketing tianeptine with Kratom, and selling Gummy bears with Kratom extract...They even sell cookies and fruit roll ups with Kratom extract, I actually have a package now...and the gummy bear package contains 500mg mitragyanine to every 5 gummy bears. (Pretty potent considering the amount)
But it can all go back to leave it untampered.
I’m pro almost all natural alkaloids and their plants.
Whereas big pharma is somehow linked to most deaths...
When morphine and codeine and thebaine were being used in their natural states, you never used to hear about opiate pandemics, mass ODs, and I’m relatively confident in saying that the way morphine works is MUCH less addictive than short lasting powerful narcotics (semi-synthetic)
Opium was a problem, historically, in countries like the US and China. Morphine was a big problem, post civil war, in the US.
Yes, I know morphine abuse was a problem after the American civil war, ww1, even ww2...I know opium dens used to be very prevalent...I think what I meant to say is...either people cared less and all the ODs...but as a whole...you can clearly see a HUGE difference from pre- to post- heroin use age...followed by the age of prescriptions.
As for me...morphine and codeine worked better for pain, but didn’t cause the same “euphoric rush” that is so addicting...but the fast acting short lasting opiates did.
Or maybe information from back then was so inaccurate that there simply is no way to tell...perhaps people who ODd were tossed into nearest shallow grave, not even becoming a statistic, and thus not a problem that society had to deal with.
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As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/
What does that have to do with anything about this thread, or what I said?
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 Drugs tainted with chemicals.
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Accurate cause of death statistics including toxicology required to determine od are relatively modern and first world
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As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/
What does that have to do with anything about this thread, or what I said?
You gotta read between the lines, maaaan.
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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: veggie]
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A 2-year-old could die from eating almost any legal drug at the store, but they won't ban those because every idiot in the entire world loves alcohol, tobacco, and junk food. Only ignorant idiots want to ban kratom or cannabis or psychedelics or drugs in general.
In other news, crime rates have gone up over the last few decades because people don't face consequences for committing crimes anymore. They are protected from the people they committed the crimes against, or the people they hurt when they get incarcerated. Laws don't prevent people from doing something wrong, they just attempt to prevent people from doing things. The right thing to do to a pedo/rapist is to shoot them in the head, but the law says that's illegal. It is preventing people from doing the right thing.
Back then, when somebody did something wrong, they faced very painful repercussions and probably rarely reoffended, and if they did, they probably got killed, as they should have been, and as they should be now for things like rape and pedophilia, but no, they are protected from the people they hurt by being incarcerated, therefore they don't face any consequences, and they don't even care that they were incarcerated because they were tired of the outside world and people anyway, so the cops are literally doing them a favor by incarcerating them, when rapists and pedophiles deserve to be shot in the head.
They're protecting them from the consequences of their actions. Shooting someone in the head IS a humane way of killing them. Animals don't have guns. When they kill those stray cats that are threatening to make certain species of wildlife go extinct, the humane way of killing them is to shoot them in the head.
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Some producers in my area have begun mixing and marketing tianeptine with Kratom, and selling Gummy bears with Kratom extract...They even sell cookies and fruit roll ups with Kratom extract, I actually have a package now...and the gummy bear package contains 500mg mitragyanine to every 5 gummy bears. (Pretty potent considering the amount)
But it can all go back to leave it untampered.
I’m pro almost all natural alkaloids and their plants.
Whereas big pharma is somehow linked to most deaths...
When morphine and codeine and thebaine were being used in their natural states, you never used to hear about opiate pandemics, mass ODs, and I’m relatively confident in saying that the way morphine works is MUCH less addictive than short lasting powerful narcotics (semi-synthetic)
Opium was a problem, historically, in countries like the US and China. Morphine was a big problem, post civil war, in the US.
Yes, I know morphine abuse was a problem after the American civil war, ww1, even ww2...I know opium dens used to be very prevalent...I think what I meant to say is...either people cared less and all the ODs...but as a whole...you can clearly see a HUGE difference from pre- to post- heroin use age...followed by the age of prescriptions.
As for me...morphine and codeine worked better for pain, but didn’t cause the same “euphoric rush” that is so addicting...but the fast acting short lasting opiates did.
Or maybe information from back then was so inaccurate that there simply is no way to tell...perhaps people who ODd were tossed into nearest shallow grave, not even becoming a statistic, and thus not a problem that society had to deal with.
I think sugar bear nailed it. "This feller died from bad humors" says the old-timey doctor.
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A 2-year-old could die from eating almost any legal drug at the store, but they won't ban those because every idiot in the entire world loves alcohol, tobacco, and junk food. Only ignorant idiots want to ban kratom or cannabis or psychedelics or drugs in general.
In other news, crime rates have gone up over the last few decades because people don't face consequences for committing crimes anymore. They are protected from the people they committed the crimes against, or the people they hurt when they get incarcerated. Laws don't prevent people from doing something wrong, they just attempt to prevent people from doing things. The right thing to do to a pedo/rapist is to shoot them in the head, but the law says that's illegal. It is preventing people from doing the right thing.
Back then, when somebody did something wrong, they faced very painful repercussions and probably rarely reoffended, and if they did, they probably got killed, as they should have been, and as they should be now for things like rape and pedophilia, but no, they are protected from the people they hurt by being incarcerated, therefore they don't face any consequences, and they don't even care that they were incarcerated because they were tired of the outside world and people anyway, so the cops are literally doing them a favor by incarcerating them, when rapists and pedophiles deserve to be shot in the head.
They're protecting them from the consequences of their actions. Shooting someone in the head IS a humane way of killing them. Animals don't have guns. When they kill those stray cats that are threatening to make certain species of wildlife go extinct, the humane way of killing them is to shoot them in the head.
"In other news, crime rates have gone up over the last few decades because people don't face consequences for committing crimes anymore."
If major societal problems seem simple and easy to fix, it's likely you don't have a good understanding of these problems.
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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: schmutzen]
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As well as stealing and kidnapping and lying in court, they are known to taint the drug supply:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2018/08/paraquat-pot/
What does that have to do with anything about this thread, or what I said?
You gotta read between the lines, maaaan.
I remember as a kid watching an episode of quincy, m.e. about hippies dying from paraquat pot. Seems to be scrubbed from the imdb record but my brain remembers
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Re: [LA] 2-year-old died after eating kratom, coroner says, fueling a push to ban the herbal extract [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28177459 - 02/08/23 10:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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We never asked who sprayed the paraquaot or how to cook something that can't be touched. A bunch of bathsalt zombies lurch out from one head shop, they collapse, and the authorities don't know which one.
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