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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: mushboy]
    #28167399 - 02/01/23 11:11 AM (1 year, 15 days ago)

We always all say "lol" when he posts, but that one got an actual out loud laugh from me. I loved how he "saved us time". :lol:


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: mushboy]
    #28167420 - 02/01/23 11:21 AM (1 year, 15 days ago)

It's such a stupid conspiracy theory. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, of documented uses of chemical weapons during the war in Syria - so it's not like a false flag in Douma was necessary to establish this narrative; nor would it redeem the Assad government of all the other documented atrocities.

And years later, Assad still has his bloodstained grip on state power - it's not like this supposed false flag was ever used as justification for the predicted US-led toppling of the Syrian government.

All dependant on the precarious balance of a both all-powerful yet continually-fumbling deep state in opposition with an antiwar president Trump. So stupid - there's more then enough things that really happened to be upset about - I believe this conspiracy theory is a CIA plant to take the heat off the real dirty stuff.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28168216 - 02/01/23 10:04 PM (1 year, 14 days ago)

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It's such a stupid conspiracy theory.




People who use this phrase are mostly conditioned reactionaries,  for whatever the five eyed anglo lying capitalist press put out.


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There have been dozens, if not hundreds, of documented uses of chemical weapons during the war in Syria - so it's not like a false flag in Douma was necessary to establish this narrative; nor would it redeem the Assad government of all the other documented atrocities.





Go ahead and document them or some of them for us. Will we receive a Bellingcat link? Hope not, they throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks.

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And years later, Assad still has his bloodstained grip on state power - it's not like this supposed false flag was ever used as justification for the predicted US-led toppling of the Syrian government.




You put the horse before the cart. There was a US led military, covert, political, economic and effort to overthrow the Democratically elected government in Syria in which Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, UK, Israel and others too part. Does that upset you or do you wish to simply deny that for your own political, nationalist, ethnocentric and religious reasons?

The boy who cried wolf can only use his trick so many times. For your information the liar is the USA and anything that has to do with chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction, poisonings and the rest of the lies the US invent to attack countries.

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All dependent on the precarious balance of a both all-powerful yet continually-fumbling deep state in opposition with an antiwar president Trump. So stupid - there's more then enough things that really happened to be upset about - I believe this conspiracy theory is a CIA plant to take the heat off the real dirty stuff.




First off Trump is not an antiwar president, he is a militarist imperialist who used "the chemical attack by Assad" to launch missiles at Syria and kill people there. Trump attacked Iran and Venezuela economically, supported the coup and had Ricky Martin throw a fucking concert on the Colombian side of the border with Venezuela. Trump murdered General Suleimani, a global hero for lies, is a militarist promoting war budget raising, pro attack of Yemen and the list goes on.

Your theory about the CIA creating this chemical attack to take the heat off of what? The whole operation, possible but I'll let you make that case. That sounds like one of those conspiracies you were talking about.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28168254 - 02/01/23 10:57 PM (1 year, 14 days ago)

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overthrow the Democratically elected government in Syria




Syria is a multigenerational dictatorship


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
    #28168308 - 02/01/23 11:33 PM (1 year, 14 days ago)

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overthrow the Democratically elected government in Syria




Syria is a multigenerational dictatorship




Perhaps but they call it democracy, see how that works?

Let me do a litmus test on you -

it is claimed that there is a democracy in the USA.  Looking at the Clintons, Bush, Roosevelts and the dictatorship of two capitalist corporate war parties, the plutocracy, nearly insurmountable ballot access hurdles, winner take all- FPTP, and militarist dictatorship that is the USA, I have to ask you, is the USA a democracy?

Don't give me some trite ass response about a constitutional republic either, I wont accept that.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28168374 - 02/02/23 12:57 AM (1 year, 14 days ago)

USA is on the same footing as Syria because they both call themselves democracies.

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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28168571 - 02/02/23 05:47 AM (1 year, 14 days ago)

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I have to ask you,

Don't give me some trite ass response about a constitutional republic either, I wont accept that.



Let me ask you a question, but fuck your answer because it's not what I think is true.

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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28168603 - 02/02/23 06:36 AM (1 year, 14 days ago)

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All dependent on the precarious balance of a both all-powerful yet continually-fumbling deep state in opposition with an antiwar president Trump. So stupid - there's more then enough things that really happened to be upset about - I believe this conspiracy theory is a CIA plant to take the heat off the real dirty stuff.




First off Trump is not an antiwar president, he is a militarist imperialist who used "the chemical attack by Assad" to launch missiles at Syria and kill people there. Trump attacked Iran and Venezuela economically, supported the coup and had Ricky Martin throw a fucking concert on the Colombian side of the border with Venezuela. Trump murdered General Suleimani, a global hero for lies, is a militarist promoting war budget raising, pro attack of Yemen and the list goes on.




You'll have to compare notes with chopstick, because they believe "this was an attempt by the CIA to pressure Trump into launching a large scale bombing campaign against the Syrian military with the objective of ensuring that the CIA-backed Al-Qaeda & ISIS proxy terrorists would be able to militarily conquer Syria and remove Assad from power."

Was it an unsuccessful attempt to pressure Trump, or not?


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28169372 - 02/02/23 03:42 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

You're overlooking the purpose of a conspiracy theory: It's not about whether Trump got pressured or not. It's about how the OPCW, the (((globalists))) and (obviously) the demonrats are all corrupt and evil and cannot be trusted. Trump has nothing to do with it. Just remember to vote against the demonrats, they did it.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28169400 - 02/02/23 04:01 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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overthrow the Democratically elected government in Syria




Syria is a multigenerational dictatorship




Perhaps but they call it democracy, see how that works?

Let me do a litmus test on you -

it is claimed that there is a democracy in the USA.  Looking at the Clintons, Bush, Roosevelts and the dictatorship of two capitalist corporate war parties, the plutocracy, nearly insurmountable ballot access hurdles, winner take all- FPTP, and militarist dictatorship that is the USA, I have to ask you, is the USA a democracy?



A Bush and a Clinton both ran for president in 2016. Neither won.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28170095 - 02/02/23 11:38 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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All dependent on the precarious balance of a both all-powerful yet continually-fumbling deep state in opposition with an antiwar president Trump. So stupid - there's more then enough things that really happened to be upset about - I believe this conspiracy theory is a CIA plant to take the heat off the real dirty stuff.




First off Trump is not an antiwar president, he is a militarist imperialist who used "the chemical attack by Assad" to launch missiles at Syria and kill people there. Trump attacked Iran and Venezuela economically, supported the coup and had Ricky Martin throw a fucking concert on the Colombian side of the border with Venezuela. Trump murdered General Suleimani, a global hero for lies, is a militarist promoting war budget raising, pro attack of Yemen and the list goes on.




You'll have to compare notes with chopstick, because they believe "this was an attempt by the CIA to pressure Trump into launching a large scale bombing campaign against the Syrian military with the objective of ensuring that the CIA-backed Al-Qaeda & ISIS proxy terrorists would be able to militarily conquer Syria and remove Assad from power."

Was it an unsuccessful attempt to pressure Trump, or not?




Sure the CIA does their usual lying in this case, but Trump attacked Syria and now we have the OPCW lies being exposed. The CIA and FBI of course had an ongoing operation. Why didn't Trump cast skepticism and doubt, if not directly then have someone else do it?


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
    #28170097 - 02/02/23 11:39 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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overthrow the Democratically elected government in Syria




Syria is a multigenerational dictatorship




Perhaps but they call it democracy, see how that works?

Let me do a litmus test on you -

it is claimed that there is a democracy in the USA.  Looking at the Clintons, Bush, Roosevelts and the dictatorship of two capitalist corporate war parties, the plutocracy, nearly insurmountable ballot access hurdles, winner take all- FPTP, and militarist dictatorship that is the USA, I have to ask you, is the USA a democracy?



A Bush and a Clinton both ran for president in 2016. Neither won.




That is not a response to the question I asked you, it is a footnote.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Ice9]
    #28170119 - 02/02/23 11:54 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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I have to ask you,

Don't give me some trite ass response about a constitutional republic either, I wont accept that.



Let me ask you a question, but fuck your answer because it's not what I think is true.






Ya, thats right, and let me directly tell you why you should adopt my tactic.  I wont accept that ridiculous Republican equivocating that allows NOT JUST Republicans but DEMOCRATS ALSO to foment, and support US imperialism by claiming the USA is a democracy and hence has a right to attack other nations. This is all part of the psychological impetus created by the unDEMOCRATIC party and Republican party.

Republicans will be forced to say whether the USA is a democracy and Democrats will be schooled on why the USA is not a democracy. Adopt this tactic and corresponding knowledge.

This is not simply about getting Republicans on record it is about attacking the Democrats also. When we expose this non democracy and make Republicans get on record this lying ass propaganda tactic used by both parties to justify attacking countries economically and militarily loses its force because the citizens know that the USA is not a democracy. When this fact is know the USA democracy cult that foments or at least neutralizes opposition to US imperialism is completely undermined.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: DonJuan7]
    #28170193 - 02/03/23 01:42 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

I think your average Joe is aware of the misgivings of the USA. Dont think your ploy would start the dissolution of either party nor rattle the citizenry.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28170209 - 02/03/23 02:24 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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I think your average Joe is aware of the misgivings of the USA. Dont think your ploy would start the dissolution of either party nor rattle the citizenry.





I did not predict those results but they would be nice. You call it a ploy, I call it necessary basic education and reasoning by rhetoric. When reality is publicly acknowledged in the media, schools and eventually in the political sphere, you have a evolutionary and revolutionary force. Don't discount it.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28170275 - 02/03/23 04:59 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

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All of Falcons conspiracy theories are collapsing this week. Hillary Clinton lawsuit busted. Paul Pelosi busted. Douma busted. Durham investigation busted.

Reasonable grounds to identify Syrian Arab Air Forces as perpetrators of 2018 Douma Chemical Weapons attack, OPCW IIT report concludes.



The OPCW declares itself innocent of wrongdoing?  Brilliant.  :facepalm:

I suspect Aaron Mate will discuss this further in the coming week.



I just saw this video with Aaron Mate and I thought I'd post in response:

https://www.youtube.com/live/ZFjH13hL_PQ?feature=share

The first 15 minutes of this video explains why the new OPCW report doesn't prove a damn thing.

Ok, I'm out again.  :smirk:


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28170332 - 02/03/23 06:16 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

Just couldn't resist dropping your propaganda and running eh. sMiRk

The Assad government is responsible for hundreds of chemical weapons attacks in Syria. Continuing to obfuscate about Douma is carrying water for a brutally violent hereditary dictatorship.




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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28170346 - 02/03/23 06:33 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

He’s avoided discussing that for years. If he had doubts about those attacks, he would be talking about them as well. He doesn’t. He only wants to talk about the one attack where the finds are disputed. He doesn’t give a fuck about people being gassed to death. There doesn’t seem to be a brutal dictator in the world that he doesn’t make excuses for.


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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: koods]
    #28170353 - 02/03/23 06:37 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

"Just because Assad used chemical weapons  216 times doesn't imply he used them in Douma"

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Re: Did Bashar al-Assad launch a 7 Apr 18 Chemical Attack in Douma? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28170364 - 02/03/23 06:49 AM (1 year, 13 days ago)

Preface this with I don't know shit about Syria. While I think Aaron Mate is pro-Russia on everything, and didn't stick around for an hour and 51 minutes, he is listenable and didn't make me want to start pulling my finger nails out, relative to Jimmy Dore.


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