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OfflinePhred
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No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh.
    #2816766 - 06/22/04 12:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a Mac user. My new G5 came pre-loaded with Apple's Safari web browser program. The default home page (which I have never bothered to change) is this cheesy "USA Today" type of portal into netscape news -- http://apple.netscape.com/apple.adp

Part of this portal is a news summary that links to CNN. There's always a featured headline in red so you can't miss it. At the moment, the headline reads Rumsfeld OK'd 'water torture' of 9/11 suspects in bright red boldface.

Wow! Heavy stuff! Intrigued, I click on the link. This takes me to http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/ where sure enough, the headline still reads Rumsfeld OK'd 'water torture' of 9/11 suspects, although it is now in blue boldface rather than red. Hmm. Serious shit, mang. I now click on the headline, and it takes me to http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/21/rumsfeld.interrogation.memos/index.html .

But what's this? Now the headline reads

Pentagon to release Rumsfeld interrogation memos

with the subhead

Official says Rumsfeld never approved 'water boarding'

I read the entire article carefully, twice, and find out that not only did Rumsfeld never approve any such thing, he specifically forbids the use of water torture. He also rejected the

-- Use of scenario to convince the detainee that death or severe pain could be imminent for him or his family

-- Exposure to cold weather or water


Of the four techniques presented to him for his decision, the only one he greenlighted was:

-- mild noninjurious physical contact such as grabbing someone's arm, poking them in the chest or light shoving.

What a fucking fiend! Rumsfeld is Satan himself! Come on, give me a fucking break here.

So just where the fuck did CNN/netscape dream up their headline? Do they have Noam Chomsky on their staff now?

I read a lot of news during the course of a day, and this kind of shit is everywhere. Reuters and CNN are especially bad, but MSNBC isn't that far behind. I rarely have the chance to read newspapers here (at least those published in English) but every now and then I'll get my hands on a Miami Herald or a New York Times. Same shit there as well. I rarely bother to post about this practice, since to me it is so blatantly in your face that it should be apparent to anyone who can actually read. But I see here all the time vehement denials of Liberal media bias, therefore either there are many here who can't read, or many here who don't bother to read past the headline, or many here who do read the body of the article but don't grasp the disconnect between the information and the twisting of that information to form false impressions.

But this particular example was so over the top that I couldn't let it slide by without comment.

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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2816812 - 06/22/04 12:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

All media is biased in some form or other, and it doesn't surprise me that more journalists tend to be left-leaning than not. But remember that CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, etc., are not all one person, but many. It was careless of them to allow such a headline, but I'm sure mistakes happen.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2816823 - 06/22/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The unfortunate thing is that it produces a constant background of lies. Most people just read headlines. Most people just hear the promos on tv (WHITE BREAD CAUSES CANCER!!!!! full story at 6) The NY Times has severely damaged itself in the last 4 years and Dan Rather, clearly, would rather fellate Clinton than tell the truth. The media has changed a lot in the last 3 and a half years and seems to be deliberatley distorting the facts to push an agenda. It's getting much worse lately with the election looming too. I do not see this as a good thing for anyone, even if the media happen to be on your side today. They can turn on you in an instant and they are not elected or in any way held accountable for their behaviour. Retractions are always buried, usually on the circulation figures page. Editorializing has seeped into almost every news story, under the pretense of "lively and interesting" writing. They argue that if they just recited the who, what, where nobody would read them. Well, if they don't confine the editorials to the editorial page, with a plain declaration that they are such, than their news stories SHOULDN'T be read. They have no credibility.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2816949 - 06/22/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

But I see here all the time vehement denials of Liberal media bias, therefore either there are many here who can't read, or many here who don't bother to read past the headline, or many here who do read the body of the article but don't grasp the disconnect between the information and the twisting of that information to form false impressions

Or many here who are simply aware of the fact that Bush was able to invade another country on the basis of a blatant lie with nary a whimper from the "liberal media".


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2816997 - 06/22/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
I'm a Mac user. 




bwa-ha, get a real computer! 

what else do you expect from a mac?  It was built by hippie socialists, dude! :lol:


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2817000 - 06/22/04 01:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The bias is in the news corporations need to sell their headlines not in left vs. right. same sort of things happened when willy was in the beginning of his monica scandal.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2817054 - 06/22/04 02:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
I'm a Mac user.




bwa-ha, get a real computer!



What do you consider a 'real computer'? Are you referring to the OS or the hardware? OS X is based on BSD Unix, arguably a better os than anything Microsloth has put out. Or perhaps you had in mind your experiences with computers running MVS (now OS/390) or OS/400... in that case I would be more inclined to agree with you, but BSD Unix is still a real operating system running on many 'real computers.'


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Evolving]
    #2817101 - 06/22/04 02:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

What do you consider a 'real computer'?




I use nothing but PCs built with my own two hands; every hardware component is selected for a specific reason, by me, not some corporate engineer who doesn't know what my needs are.

I forgot that the new macs are *nix based. Havent had a chance to read much about those. But still, I abhor the gui's that macs have. I just think that macs take way to much control away from the user in the name of stability and user-friendliness. Not just in the software, but the hardware as well. At least in my experience, I'll admit I don't know anyone who has one of the new generation macs.

If i were gonna run *nix again I would do it on a pc platform.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2817133 - 06/22/04 02:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I use nothing but PCs built with my own two hands; every hardware component is selected for a specific reason, by me, not some corporate engineer who doesn't know what my needs are.



Oh that IS FUCKING PRICELESS. Congratulations, you now understand the Libertarian philosophy. Knew we got to ya subliminally!


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2817159 - 06/22/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm, every decision I make involves a selection (or choice of action) for a specific reason, by me, not some social engineer who doesn't know what my needs are.



P.S. PCs?!? Bwa-ha, learn about real computers.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2817185 - 06/22/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Ancalagon said:
Quote:

I use nothing but PCs built with my own two hands; every hardware component is selected for a specific reason, by me, not some corporate engineer who doesn't know what my needs are.



Oh that IS FUCKING PRICELESS. Congratulations, you now understand the Libertarian philosophy. Knew we got to ya subliminally!




I have always understood the benefits of libertarian philosophy. I understand its drawbacks, too.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2817426 - 06/22/04 04:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I'm a Mac user.



Oh pinky.

Quote:

not only did Rumsfeld never approve any such thing, he specifically forbids the use of water torture. He also rejected the

-- Use of scenario to convince the detainee that death or severe pain could be imminent for him or his family

-- Exposure to cold weather or water



THAT BASTARD!


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2817601 - 06/22/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A little rightward tilt is a good thing
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A new poll from the Pew Research Center has raised again the issue of liberal bias in the media. A growing body of academic research at top universities supports it. Unfortunately, those in the major media still don't get it and are unlikely to change their behavior, resulting in further declines in ratings and circulation.

Liberal bias is a tiresome subject, I know. We have been hearing about it for at least 30 years. Although those who work in the media continue to deny it, they are having a harder and harder time explaining why so many viewers, readers and listeners believe it.

This is the point of the Pew study. Whatever the media think about themselves, there is simply no denying that a high percentage of Americans perceive a liberal bias. The credibility of every single major media outlet has fallen sharply among conservatives and Republicans, while falling much less among liberals and Democrats.

This has affected viewing habits. Conservatives have drifted away from those outlets they perceive as most biased, which has contributed heavily to an overall decline in viewership. Among all Americans, those who watch the evening network news regularly have fallen from 60 percent in 1993 to just 34 percent today. Among Republicans, 15 percent or less report watching the evening news on ABC, CBS or NBC.

One consequence is that conservatives are gravitating toward those outlets that are perceived as being less biased toward them. These include Fox News, talk radio and the Internet. Ironically, academic studies view these not as conservative, but as objective. Apparently, the effect of having a rightward tilt only has the effect of moving "conservative" outlets to the middle, owing to the extreme left-wing bias of the dominant media.

An interesting study in this regard was recently done by Tim Grosedose of UCLA and Jeff Milyo of the University of Chicago. They devised a method of measuring press bias based on the way members of Congress cite various think tanks. By looking at their rating on a liberal/conservative scale based on votes, they were able to determine which think tanks were viewed as conservative or liberal. They then looked at how often these think tanks were cited in the media.

The conclusion of the Groseclose-Milyo study is unambiguous. "Our results show a very significant liberal bias," they report. Interestingly, they found that the Internet's Drudge Report and "Special Report" on Fox News were the two outlets closest to the true center of the political spectrum, despite being widely viewed as conservative.

Groseclose and Milyo also look at the political orientation of journalists relative to the population. They note that just 7 percent of journalists voted for George H.W. Bush in 1992 versus 37 of the voting public. This means that journalists are more liberal than voters in the most liberal congressional district in the United States, the 9th district in California, which contains the city of Berkeley. Even there, Bush got 12 percent of the vote, almost twice his support among journalists.

The curious question is why the media remain so persistently liberal. Economic theory says that conservative news outlets should have come into existence to serve that market. However, Professor Daniel Sutter of the University of Oklahoma points out that there are severe barriers to entry into the news business that make it very difficult to start a new newspaper or television network, thus allowing liberal bias to perpetuate itself.

Another answer comes from a study by Professor David Baron of Stanford. He theorizes that profit-maximizing corporations tolerate liberal bias because it allows them to pay lower wages to liberal journalists. By being allowed to exercise their bias, they are willing to accept less pay than they would demand if they were in a business where bias was not tolerated. Conservatives are perhaps less willing to pay such a financial price.

Writing in the summer issue of The Public Interest, Professor William Mayer of Northwestern suggests that conservatives have adopted talk radio, which is overwhelmingly conservative, as an alternative news outlet. In other words, a key reason for the popularity of people like Rush Limbaugh is that they provide news and information not available elsewhere, not just conservative opinion.

This helps explain why liberal talk radio has been such a dismal failure. Listeners are not getting much they can't already get in the dominant media. In Mayer's words, "Liberals, in short, do not need talk radio. They already have Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw -- not to mention NPR."

The dominant media is finally starting to realize that it has an economic problem from having a perceived liberal bias, even though it steadfastly denies any such bias. Editor and Publisher, an industry publication, is so alarmed that it has begun a study of the problem.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2817618 - 06/22/04 05:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I was watching Fox News today, and the blatantness of the republican bias sickened me, hard to watch for too long. They were talking about the killing of the South Korean, and said, "And this is why Bush's pre-eminent strike in Iraq was and is needed, to kill the terrorists who are doing this." Yet they said the reason they killed him was because South Korea was putting troops into Iraq. Why the hell did we go into Iraq in the first place? Bush sure as hell didn't have a good reason, and now it's just causing plenty more innocent people to die, with still no good reason for invading Iraq and spending the tens of billions of dollars

But maybe the republicans on Fox News don't think that deep


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Ravus]
    #2817631 - 06/22/04 05:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

their ratings would plummet if they did


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2817761 - 06/22/04 06:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yay, more liberal bias threads.

I love those!


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2817905 - 06/22/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That's not liberal bias, they're just pissed off with the "product" the goverment sold them during the invasion.


The government told them they were getting one thing, and they got another.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: afoaf]
    #2817917 - 06/22/04 06:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a fan of them either. This is the first I've ever started. I just couldn't let this example slide by, it was so blatant. The friggin' headline was the exact opposite of the facts in the body of the text. I mean 180 degrees opposite, as opposite as it is possible to be. As a matter of fact, it would be accurate to call the headline an out-and-out LIE, because that's what it was. These are the same people trumpeting over and over "Bush Lied," by the way.

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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2818067 - 06/22/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Seems far to few people have a grasp of the truth and the definition of "lie"

If they did there would be no examples such as you posted.


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Re: No Liberal Media Bias... uh huh. [Re: Phred]
    #2818085 - 06/22/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

that's so glaring that I'd hope it was an improperly
vetted headline and not bias.

I mean, how could you fuck that up soooo bad?

spin isn't excuse enough.


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