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ratengtetete
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Older People/Visuals/Depression
#28160479 - 01/27/23 08:32 PM (1 year, 16 hours ago) |
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Hi Everyone, I'm 70 years old and starting to use P. cubensis for treatment of depression. Two months ago I took a 1.2 g dose and three weeks later a 2.25 g dose (dry weight) of freshly dried Blue Meanie (P. cubensis, not Pan cyan). I really think it has helped my depression but I expected a different trip than I got. These two mushroom trips were my first Psilocybin experiences and besides some minor tree branch breathing and my shower curtain looking 3-D there was very little in the way of visual effects. My last acid trip in 1975 and many LSD trips before that were very colorful and well, psychedelic, with full on hallucinations, trails, tunnels of braided light, etc. I tried finding an answer before posting but to no avail. Are Psilocybin visuals very different than LSD visuals? Also, do older people have fewer visuals when tripping on P. cubensis compared to younger people? Any other differences noted?
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Re: Older People/Visuals/Depression [Re: ratengtetete]
#28160499 - 01/27/23 08:53 PM (1 year, 16 hours ago) |
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They are indeed different but not drastically different. I get more wavy, breathing, warping visuals with psilocybin and more of the colorful effects you mention with LSD. Mushrooms can be and have been just as colorful for me as LSD, but now we are talking taking a minimum of 3.5g dried cubensis to get there. You'll also experience a lot more mindfuck and mental effects that come along with the visuals at 3.5g, so just be aware of that.
I personally wouldn't get much more visuals than you describe on 2.25g of cubensis, either. A lot of this is highly variable and subjective by person and their individual brain chemistry, but if I wanted a cube trip to feel more like an acip trip visually, I'd be taking at least 3.5g of cubes. I hope this helps.
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Re: Older People/Visuals/Depression [Re: ratengtetete]
#28160502 - 01/27/23 08:55 PM (1 year, 16 hours ago) |
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Are you on any other medications like ssri's? Those can stop a trip.
You might also be dealing with weak mushrooms. What variety are you taking?
Back when I had to resort to dealer shrooms I had to take 3+grams to have a good trip.
Now I grow my own stronger Ghost shrooms and 1.5g is a fantastic trip everytime!
I don't think there is a difference in young or older peoples trip capacity. It is more likely you either didn't take enough, you didn't wait long enough for your second trip or you are dealing with weaker shrooms.
Are you growing them yourself? I'd be happy to send you some Ghost spores.
Good luck and welcome to the Shroomery!
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Re: Older People/Visuals/Depression [Re: ratengtetete]
#28160611 - 01/27/23 10:42 PM (1 year, 14 hours ago) |
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welcome 
i recently had a few trips (about 2.5g each) in span of a month & for the first time after 20 something trips in 10+ years, i saw no colors or hallucinations. I suspect it was the quality of the shroom but it could also be my body, who knows (I'm 34)
As mentioned by Dave, the mindfuck was definitely there. The loss of balance was strong to the point i couldn't attempt to walk for a couple of hours.
Then, there is lemon tek. This method enhances the trip for many people, myself included. It is worth looking into though people have said over the years that it doesn't work on everybody
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Re: Older People/Visuals/Depression [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28160626 - 01/27/23 10:57 PM (1 year, 14 hours ago) |
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Yes, thank you that does help. I plan to dose at three grams next time in order to more closely follow a anti-depression protocol in the literature. Perhaps it will be more colorful as you said, but in the final analysis depression relief is all that really matters to me at this point. BTW, I grew, harvested, and dried these Blue Meanies myself (Third Wave kit and Sporevision spores) so I'm certain of their potency and freshness. It's not like I had a lot of choice there.... just wait until you are 70 and trying to find a connect among folks almost fifty years your younger, HA! Do it yourself!
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Re: Older People/Visuals/Depression [Re: ratengtetete]
#28160669 - 01/28/23 12:09 AM (1 year, 12 hours ago) |
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Quote:
ratengtetete said: Are Psilocybin visuals very different than LSD visuals?
Yes, night and day difference.
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Re: Older People/Visuals/Depression [Re: ratengtetete]
#28166237 - 01/31/23 04:55 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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ratengtetete said: Yes, thank you that does help. I plan to dose at three grams next time in order to more closely follow a anti-depression protocol in the literature. Perhaps it will be more colorful as you said, but in the final analysis depression relief is all that really matters to me at this point. BTW, I grew, harvested, and dried these Blue Meanies myself (Third Wave kit and Sporevision spores) so I'm certain of their potency and freshness. It's not like I had a lot of choice there.... just wait until you are 70 and trying to find a connect among folks almost fifty years your younger, HA! Do it yourself!
That's pretty funny. At least you're too old to be a cop. You'd be retired. Damn kids.
As far as the question about how age affects a trip, I'm not sure. Honestly, it's a question that's worthy of some clinical research, particularly if psychiatrists keep experimenting with using hallucinagens for depression. I doubt there's a good answer out there in the research right now. Using these drugs for depression has only recently been getting formal research attention. There could easily be all kinds of age associated neurological changes that affect tripping. I'd be surprised if depression itself didn't have some impact on hallucinations as well. Hallucinations are now considered a normal part of significant grieving.
As far as my experiences with mushrooms goes, I've had trips with visuals and without them. Some trips have been intensely visual while others have been less visual and more introspective. During one trip I had intense auditory hallucinations. Most others I've had no auditory hallucinations. I'm not exactly sure what affects all that, but I usually ride the trip out as it happens, and that has made me happy more often than not.
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