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Mushroom hat yellow and oozing?
#28166030 - 01/31/23 01:52 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I dont know if this is contam or what it is, cake looks the same as it has and there has been a lot of hats on most of my mushrooms, 70-90% of them, however this one is wet and oozing and yellowish? Wtf is happening and is this mushroom safe? The mushroom itself looks fan but ive never seen hats before this and never seen anything like this, the rest are dry and look like stems and then grow mycelium towards the end of the mushrooms life but this is verrrry different, the other are dry this is wet. Honestly it looks like the hat is there just has a yellow wet jelly around it?
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28166043 - 01/31/23 01:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Upon further inspection another in the corner seems to have the same thing going on and is actively leaking?

As you can see there is slime on top of the substrate now however nothing on the sides or under i can see, it would seem its leaking from the hat itself onto the sub?
Also the smell is different, i dont know how to explain it lol. Maybe spicy but not bad? Also the color isnt green or gray but maybe like a yellowish mucus looking substance I was about to do a flush on it so let me know if i still should, i figure it wouldnt hurt and maybe i should throw out the leaky ones? Im assuming mushrooms neighboring it should be fine as they arent leaking, at least not yet.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28166045 - 01/31/23 02:04 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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This is a neighboring mushroom that had slime at the base but not the hat yet, i cut off where the slime was on the base and this mushroom has a thicker darker blue than any other
I also have a mushroom that has no slime around it but a slimy hat. Its weird they are all a bit different so i cant tell at or if these mushrooms are salvageable or safe to eat/dry.
Full tub, as you can see i have more with a bit of time before prime should i just pick them now?
Im thinking maybe too much humidity but idek
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28166159 - 01/31/23 03:47 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Okay, so i put one to the side to see what would happen after a bit in a ziplock bag, i also took tghe top off the other(hat) and it was dripping wet like just touching it started pouring but after i broke it off the moisture and everything was gone, the mushroom itself looks normal afterwards. im attempting a flush to see how it goes, im not expecting much but hopefully i didnt just spread some random bacteria everywhere in the process.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28166411 - 01/31/23 06:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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So i just soaked it i guess we will see what happens, also want to bump
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28166429 - 01/31/23 06:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I have no idea but I'm really surprised no one has spoken up yet.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NFLProof] 1
#28166725 - 01/31/23 09:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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So update, only been a couple hours since out of the soak and it got wayyyy worse, whatever the mucus slime was multiplied quickly so i tossed it outside asap, i am still very curious as to what yall think this could be and why it decided to affect the hats? And ooze from them? My only thought is that the mushrooms themselves absorbed this and it leaked through the top as it has a means to as it wasnt just cap. Now that also opens the question are those okay, or the ones around them okay? Or just those whos hats went dripping.
It is kinda funny though, my n my friend said they had balls on their head, and the only thing worse than balls on your head is hairy balls on your head, little did i know it would get worse and be big hairy oozing balls on your head
Also i dont know if this means anything but the whitest parts are where i had something on top holding it down so it looks the area with more water/oxygen reproduced more.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28166782 - 01/31/23 09:22 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Wow this is some wild shit 
EDIT: I wouldn't eat anything out of that tub personally.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28166940 - 01/31/23 11:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I have no idea. Hopefully somebody that knows what it is can chime in. I'm curious myself lol.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: IllicitMango]
#28167184 - 02/01/23 07:40 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Contam and production of metabolites for defense.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: pinehurst]
#28167433 - 02/01/23 11:27 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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pinehurst said: Contam and production of metabolites for defense.
Make sense, so is it safe to assume the sub was contam, and the metabolites from the shrooms im assuming is “normal” in a sense its safe to consume those producing the high amounts? What kind of contam do you think it is? I havent seen anything like that myself.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28167440 - 02/01/23 11:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Ive been reading the forum for over a decade and i also collect a lot of wild mushrooms. Ive never seen a reaction like that but it sure does look like a response to contamination. Assuming that the liquid is cubensis metabolites then there is nothing toxic in there especially in such small quantities. Still the visible reaction and metabolites essentially mean that the mushrooms arent "food grade" even though they are safe to consume. If you see any rot in the mushrooms or they smell bad then i would advice not to eat them.
Edit: To be honest.. At this point there is no one here who would take the risk to advice you to eat them just because no one seems to have seen that before. =/ I have often eaten fresh wild mushrooms without any problems of food poisoning or any nausea.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: Thugnar]
#28167547 - 02/01/23 12:53 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Me too, i mean if people dont know what it is, i dont know if that means i have a ground zero situation, but in my opinion the amount of bacteria i mustve ate from fresh shrooms off cow patties has gotta be worse i mean that shit had to have been
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob] 1
#28167562 - 02/01/23 01:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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id eat em but typically, you shouldnt take advoce from drug mutants like me but.. whatever id eat em.
dump the tub. go for a shoebox next run.
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BeefSupremeJr said: id eat em but typically, you shouldnt take advoce from drug mutants like me but.. whatever id eat em.
dump the tub. go for a shoebox next run.
so once the hats popped off the mushroom looked relatively normal, after drying as well. I threw away any wet ones or any with slime but the rest are as good as gold imo, out of site out of mind lol.
im assuming the general consensus lies with it being metabolites then i think they should be fine, still curious where the contam started and what people think it was, it truly looks like it leaked off the top of the cap so im still lead to believe that may have been the starting point and maybe not even metabolites. weird stuff.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
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NoobShroob said: Me too, i mean if people dont know what it is, i dont know if that means i have a ground zero situation, but in my opinion the amount of bacteria i mustve ate from fresh shrooms off cow patties has gotta be worse i mean that shit had to have been
Ground zero  Maby. I hope its nothing bad for your health. Some prions are deadly.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: Thugnar]
#28167831 - 02/01/23 04:44 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Verticillium infection. Safe to eat.
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Awesome im glad to finally have an answer, what makes you think its this though? from everything ive seen it on verticillium im not seeing a common trait in my shrooms? Would you mind explaining how you came to the conclusion that is what it is? It seems pretty common to have some type of browning or specs or something but i have had nothing of the sort on any of my mushrooms, and anything i see on verticillium doesnt seems to have leaking or oozing subs/caps. Could possibly be because mine have hats but just curious what made you decide it is that.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28168079 - 02/01/23 07:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry. Posted in hurry. Still safe to eat but that's Rosecomb. Not sure why vert was stuck in my head. The ooze is likely metabolites or water. Cells get compressed and twisted. Glad you bumped that. TY
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28168084 - 02/01/23 08:01 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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The lower left is classic Rosecomb. The others are odd but likely haven't or won't progress.
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shroob good job asking question. Now you see why i was hesistant to answer in the dms. i never say things im not sure on and this one ive never seen.
I think you just cut your losses and start some new tubs. maybe forget that whole culture and go back to mss on agar or even switch varieties.
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They seem to grow out as stems, from the top of the caps, slowly as the mushroom gets bigger and older it starts to grow the mycelium looking hats you can see in the pictures, and then there is the obvious weird wet standouts which are super weird. i see people having one or 2 but mine was like 70-90% and maybe surprisingly they all continued to grow and usually the hats with them but all seemed to live a full healthy life. The wet ones idk i got them out cuz wtf lol.
Also rosecomb to my knowledge is a mutation, is the oozing a mutation as well because i still dont know what has caused that then, the metabolites turned nastier after the flush from excess water or what causes metabolites to react that way that they multiplied 100x in 2 hours. seemingly mostly on the top layer as well. It also seems to me that it leaked from the mushroom itself and thats what caused the ooze on the sub so im still tryna figure out what caused all that.
so in your opinion none of this looks like contam then? just mutated mushrooms and a abnormal amount of metabolites lol
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BeefSupremeJr said: shroob good job asking question. Now you see why i was hesistant to answer in the dms. i never say things im not sure on and this one ive never seen.
I think you just cut your losses and start some new tubs. maybe forget that whole culture and go back to mss on agar or even switch varieties.
For sure the more i learn the more it helps me and helps others. I tossed it after i saw it after i tried soaking it, looked too nasty and figured it was done for wanted it out of my area before it got worse, i want to try something other than b+ but am not sure what though.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28168135 - 02/01/23 08:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Golden teacher is a classic. i do well with hulualta, mazatapec and cambodian but i havent done cambo in a while.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
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Noob, when you talk about "flushing" it, what exactly are you doing?
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Well i had a lot of aborts so i assumed it was from fluctuation in moisture/FAE issues. Maybe one or the other as well. Regardless i managed to get 3 "flushes" groups they came in, but i heard once it dries out and stops growing you can soak it for a bit to try to bring it back, growing had slowed down to nearly a stop with the exception of the last flush that was going and all the aborts i figured i may as well try as it seemed like the end anyways. Then the weird oozy balls threw me off track lol
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
#28168700 - 02/02/23 08:36 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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that sub doesnt owe you anything.
you might even try going back to mss on agar and get something different.
without seeing your tub its hard to know what wrong but id consider using a regukar tub like shoebox or a mono.
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NoobShroob said: They seem to grow out as stems, from the top of the caps, slowly as the mushroom gets bigger and older it starts to grow the mycelium looking hats you can see in the pictures, and then there is the obvious weird wet standouts which are super weird. i see people having one or 2 but mine was like 70-90% and maybe surprisingly they all continued to grow and usually the hats with them but all seemed to live a full healthy life. The wet ones idk i got them out cuz wtf lol.
Also rosecomb to my knowledge is a mutation, is the oozing a mutation as well because i still dont know what has caused that then, the metabolites turned nastier after the flush from excess water or what causes metabolites to react that way that they multiplied 100x in 2 hours. seemingly mostly on the top layer as well. It also seems to me that it leaked from the mushroom itself and thats what caused the ooze on the sub so im still tryna figure out what caused all that.
so in your opinion none of this looks like contam then? just mutated mushrooms and a abnormal amount of metabolites lol
I can see things better now.. bigger screen today. Yeah, I still say Rosecomb, but something bacterial maybe as well. Rosecomb is typically caused by cleaning chemicals that contain some form of petroleum. The whole tub looks off though and I have never seen both at once.
My next theory would be a viral infection. Many attack the plant or mushroom RNA to weaken the immune system. Would explain the aborts (if not conditions like FAE) and the over all sickly look. An attack could also damage the RNA and manifest as something that looks like Rosecomb being that the mutations could be similar.
It's a tough call being that both can share the same results and we can't culture anything out to verify. Either way I wouldn't use culture or spores from them and would re-evaluate anything they may have come from. The more I look at it the more I lean towards viral.
As for using them.. people consume aborts all the time. Vert is safe, so is Rosecomb. Most of what we deal with is the same. I'd still recommend drying and making tea rather than eating them though. Better safe than sorry. Now there is always a chance of something we've never seen be it maybe slim. There's more cultivation than ever.. the world is changing and adapting all the time. I've never seen anyone have troubles ingesting questionable mushrooms in decades and I've been around, but eventually, someone is bound to be the first of The Last of Us.
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the_chosen_one said: I can see things better now.. bigger screen today. Yeah, I still say Rosecomb, but something bacterial maybe as well. Rosecomb is typically caused by cleaning chemicals that contain some form of petroleum. The whole tub looks off though and I have never seen both at once.
te]I thoroughly cleaned everything, i suppose the grains were purchases as well as the substrate but i mean why would there be petroleum in either. The only cleaning ive used is 70% iso.
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It's a tough call being that both can share the same results and we can't culture anything out to verify. Either way I wouldn't use culture or spores from them and would re-evaluate anything they may have come from. The more I look at it the more I lean towards viral.
So how does viral differ from mold or standard bacteria, and it would affect its genetics too as in spores shouldnt be used even?
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
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Thanks for posting this Shroob. I’m seeing exactly the same in a tub of Tidal Wave… ‘fuzzy ball tophat’, viscous fluid emerging from cap and stem. Removal of fruit and cutting stipe lengthwise huge quantities of translucent fluid from the hollow middle. Interior is discolored grey and looks to be breaking down. H2O2 spritz on the liquid inside foams like crazy.
This is the second set of monotubs that have exhibited this, sourced from multiple jars of LC inoculated from the same MS syringe. The 1st time it eventually hit most of the (very plentiful) fruit. Composted the lot. This too was a bumper first flush. Oh well. Just starting the agar journey and will attempt a biopsy transfer from a clean looking fruit and see what happens. Again thanks for posting.
@the_chosen_one: if this is viral should I even bother with plating or am I taking a risk of further spread? So far its only this LC source that’s shown it… Thanks!
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: NoobShroob]
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the_chosen_one said: I can see things better now.. bigger screen today. Yeah, I still say Rosecomb, but something bacterial maybe as well. Rosecomb is typically caused by cleaning chemicals that contain some form of petroleum. The whole tub looks off though and I have never seen both at once.
te]I thoroughly cleaned everything, i suppose the grains were purchases as well as the substrate but i mean why would there be petroleum in either. The only cleaning ive used is 70% iso.
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It's a tough call being that both can share the same results and we can't culture anything out to verify. Either way I wouldn't use culture or spores from them and would re-evaluate anything they may have come from. The more I look at it the more I lean towards viral.
So how does viral differ from mold or standard bacteria, and it would affect its genetics too as in spores shouldnt be used even?
Viral sets up the rest so it's really hard to distinguish. I was going off mostly gut feel so take it with a grain of salt, but it's something to be aware of. Yes, many virus's carry through spores as well as horizontally. First I would keep growing it if it has personal value.. see if it transfers through spores. Keep it fairly isolated from everything else for a while to be safe. If it transfers horizontally then we pretty much caught it in the act. Same would apply to the spores. Not sure how I missed that post.. sorry about that.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: lizardbrains]
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Again, further observation would be needed. The main thing is don't share a suspect culture or spores. I would consider any expansion of said culture or spores to be experimental.
Sounds like you have at least a bacterial infection, but that could be a secondary infection caused by a potential virus.
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Appreciated. Yeah the bacterial infection could just be opportunistic. Going to dump the worst mono and grab the best fruit from the other for a horizontal on a few plates. I’ll keep an eye on the remaining mono for some spore but if the oozy/weepy takes off before any drops, bye-bye! Really don’t want this migrating into my very productive treasure coast or the PE I’ve been working on! Thanks again.
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Re: Mushroom hat yellow and oozing? [Re: lizardbrains]
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Yeah always better safe than sorry. 
I was so confused when I saw this again. Didn't realize it was over a year ago already and I could hardly remember my ramble.
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