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 Mushrooms head splitting and black pins 
#28161587 - 01/28/23 04:13 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Not sure but my pins are turning very dark, my big fruits are looking healthy and big but new ones coming in are looking very dark, still growing i think but getting darker, also the humidity is good still, i think ive found a nice level of FAE with keeping good humidity and it seems the nice fruits are taking advantage.
Now i have hats on some mushrooms and they dont have breakage as i can tell where the other caps look like they are starting to split. The actual mycelium looks very good and healthy with zero sign of contam.
What could be causing the black pins/fruits breaking.
I was thinking lack of humidity but there is a lot on the sides and floor layer of mycelium its self, i dont have crazy fuzzy feet or anything. I increased fae last night and see a lot of positive growth today however it looks like even the growing pins are getting darker and more splitting, totally confused.
Pictures are from yesterdays, todays is similar just more abundant of all these things.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: NoobShroob] 1
#28161616 - 01/28/23 04:36 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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My understanding is that you're too dry. If you've been fanning, don't. It could also be related to misting the fruits directly, a bit too much, but I think it's due to it being dry and them running out of water mid grow.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: Excess Taters]
#28161926 - 01/28/23 08:01 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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There is a lot of moisture as you can see though, is there anything i can do for it
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: NoobShroob]
#28162154 - 01/28/23 11:07 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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I hate to ask again but i want a more clear answer, everything points to too dry but there is a lot of moisture i see, should i just spray them all again or leave them to see what they do? If it was a moisture issue why would the big ones continue to keep going so well while the littles suffer?
Should i be letting it air out a lot for a bit and then mist a lot ect? Because ive had them keeping good hmidoty as is surface beads reasonaly and havent been going overboard
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Edited by NoobShroob (01/28/23 11:10 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: NoobShroob]
#28162297 - 01/29/23 01:32 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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I would not suggest letting it air out. Mushrooms almost always have enough fae, assuming it's not completely restricted. With that said your mushrooms are kinda windy, which is usually related to genetics or low fae. Still, I doubt it's fae that is causing all of this.
Here's an old Roger rabbit quote about this.
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RogerRabbit said:
Usually, spit caps are caused by rapid growth. Contrast that with cracked caps, which is a sign of too low a humidity. Either are usually harmless. Verticillium can also cause caps and stems to split, but it's a fungal disease so the fruits would also look unhealthy.
RR
My assumption is still on humidity given how you talk about fae. I don't know though.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: Excess Taters]
#28162444 - 01/29/23 07:10 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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As you can see more continue to grow while some have stopped, i saw Some posts but all the pictures were deleted so i dont know if its the same as me but i saw some say cap splitting could be genetic, i also saw something about the fact they will start to rot so i could remove them, aborts i guess but is there no way to save them? As you can see i misted them, will see how they look in a couple hours.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: NoobShroob]
#28162607 - 01/29/23 09:47 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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I know people say to mist, and mushrooms don't care, but I avoid misting pins if I can. If I have to mist a pinning cake, it means I made a mistake earlier on the process. If I have to add fae, it means my tubs design is bad.
My suggestion for the future, is to do your best getting your sub to proper field capacity, and if you're running a monotub, use pastys ez dial design. It's a tried and true method.
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Once you've succeeded with that, next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs, and all of that can be found in Bods EAF teks|
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE? P9 pseudo casing tek
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: Excess Taters]
#28162685 - 01/29/23 10:58 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Well you believe it was dry and thats the only reply so misting is my only hope, theyre dead anyways. And i know where my problems were, ill hopefully get a good second flush but i just dont know what to do about the black pins.
If they will continue to grow i feel i should leave them, or if they are revivable of course try to save them.
If they are dead and rotting shouldnt i remove them before they reuin the rest? Or at least pick them to save before they get worse.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: NoobShroob]
#28162716 - 01/29/23 11:18 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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When the cap turns black it means they're aborts. Now, a darkened cap can sometimes continue to grow, but your caps signify that they are aborts. You can give them a day or two, but they won't grow past that point. I'm not saying all of your mushrooms are, but the black capped ones are.
If you know what mistakes you made, great. You might be misunderstanding my position a bit as well. When I saw those black caps I knew your stuff was aborting. Since they were aborting, there's nothing you can do right now to remedy this situation. Which is why my advice isn't directed at how you can save these aborted mushrooms. The only thing left to do with them is harvest and dry them, if it makes you feel a bit better, anecdotally people say aborts are stronger by weight.
The next thing for you to do is dunk or bottom water and mist your cake, and then just leave it alone, assuming your tub design has adequate fae. This will be your second chance to do your best and get rewarded for it, the second flush is usually larger than the first. So that's where I've been this entire time, not trying to tell you how to save this, but how to prepare for that.
I know I'm repeating myself at this point, but remember, if the sub is at field capacity (adequately hydrated), and your tub design is proper with the correct amount of FAE, you should not have to mist unless you're in a very dry climate. Shroomery collectively has spent decades trying to make this is as easy as possible, and a lot of old, formerly good, but now very bad advice is all over these forums. Fanning, for instance is only done by people who don't know what they're doing. Misting is only done if you bottom water/mist between flushes, unless you're working with something more unique.
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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start. First, Updated PF Tek, then instead of using a SGFC for fruiting, go with the Water Tub Tek.
Once you've succeeded with that, next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs, and all of that can be found in Bods EAF teks|
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE? P9 pseudo casing tek
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: Excess Taters]
#28162766 - 01/29/23 11:49 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Thank you man!
Also my belief is i let it dry out too much one night, too much fae so the surface misting may not have been enough by any means. Thats my theory, im hopeful that a flush should bring to life a lot that was missed this tine around as the health seems to still be solid for now, i might just pick today as i saw one veil breaking this morning and flush since most of the small ones at this point are sadly aborts.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: NoobShroob]
#28162961 - 01/29/23 02:10 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Here is an RR post on the difference of split caps / cracked caps.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14791567#14791567
Gnarly looking mushrooms op! Ive never seen junk grow out of the cap like that. To me it looks like the problem is the genetics and thats why the flush is small in fruit number. Would also explain why they grew so fast that they split their caps.
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Re: Mushrooms head splitting and black pins [Re: Thugnar]
#28163137 - 01/29/23 03:55 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Thank you, interesting, so if the caps split is due to rapid growth, which i could believe, that still leaves the question as to what is causing the aborts 
today as of now, massive balls, also they are getting hairy  (mycelium) the only thing worse than my mushrooms having big balls on their head is big hairy balls on their head.
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Edited by NoobShroob (01/29/23 03:56 PM)
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