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 Is Hell a real place? 
#28161521 - 01/28/23 03:21 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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Kickle
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Johnson says there is a section of Hell where music is played… but very badly. The priest claims he could hear Rihanna's "Umbrella" and Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry Be Happy" being used as instruments for torture. To make things significantly worse, the demon choir performing these songs was deliberately performing them incorrectly for maximum pain. "Every word of every song was made to torture you for the fact that you didn't worship God through music while you were on Earth," Johnson says.
Uhhhhh....
I mean, I like what he said about forgiveness. 
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Buster_Brown
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If I could brainwash you into believing freedom wasn't free, what kind of hell would you endure to achieve it?
The pattern of advantage bought thru pain then becomes standard procedure, which probably influenced the near death experience imo.
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 DividedQuantum
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If it is, it exists in a far higher (or deeper, if you like) dimension of reality, where the concept of location does not have precise meaning. This would be the case for Heaven, too, if there is one. Interestingly, the Mormons believe that, if physics were to advance far enough (much, much farther than it is now), it would be able to scientifically describe Heaven.
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Buster_Brown
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That's not far fetched. I'll alude to them both in a verse:
"I'm Jumping Jack Flash, it's a gas, gas, gas!"
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Kickle
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 Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: Kickle] 1
#28161615 - 01/28/23 04:35 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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A funny aside about music, I recently learned that the Tibetan monastic views prohibit dancing. Music shouldn't move you if you're a Tibetan monk.
Maybe that's to avoid being tortured in such ways 
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deff
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I tend to look at NDE's much like dreams, in that they are significant for the person experiencing it but not necessarily to everyone else, which is why there is a big discrepancy between different people's NDE's. To me they seem like a divinely guided vision to impart life direction and teaching to the person having it. So maybe for this priest, this particular NDE was needed for his unique spiritual path. As for hell, I imagine there are states of consciousness on earth or in non-physical dimensions that are very hard to experience, that can be said to be hell-like. But I don't feel this mirrors the Christian notion of hell, at least in my opinion
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Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: Kickle] 1
#28161689 - 01/28/23 05:16 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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Kickle said:
A funny aside about music, I recently learned that the Tibetan monastic views prohibit dancing. Music shouldn't move you if you're a Tibetan monk.
Maybe that's to avoid being tortured in such ways
Yeah the monastic vows prohibit dancing, but interestingly there is a practice called Lama Dances, which is like a meditative dancing prayer. They dress up as deities and dance specific dances, kinda interesting
https://samyeinstitute.org/sciences/arts/gar-cham-meditative-dance-lama-dance/
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Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: deff]
#28161702 - 01/28/23 05:25 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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If reality is a projection of karma, wouldn't it be somewhat predictable?
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Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: deff] 2
#28161721 - 01/28/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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deff said:
Yeah the monastic vows prohibit dancing, but interestingly there is a practice called Lama Dances, which is like a meditative dancing prayer. They dress up as deities and dance specific dances, kinda interesting
https://samyeinstitute.org/sciences/arts/gar-cham-meditative-dance-lama-dance/
Thanks for sharing and good to see you deff
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Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: Kickle] 2
#28161724 - 01/28/23 05:42 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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good to see you too, Kickle!  
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nooneman
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There are real places on earth right now that are as bad or worse than anything in any religious "hell."
Is there a religious type bad place for bad people deep underground with fire and lava and shit? No...
But death could actually be nightmarish. Imagine if death is like the absolute worst moments of the highest doses you've done with psychedelics, just endless infinite psychedelic mindfuck forever. That possibility almost keeps me awake at night.
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 Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: nooneman]
#28162039 - 01/28/23 09:40 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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Yup, I've been there..
And some of my people have been burning in the flames before and I couldn't do anything.
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AnattaAtman
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Heaven and hell are very real. They are created by a couple of supernatural beings in a deep state
of meditation, giving people the appropriate vibrations. Hell is created by evil beings, while
heaven requires good people. Christianity teaches the fire hell, Buddhism has also cold hells.
The wheel of rebirth is called samsara, where you wander between the hells, matter, and
the heavens, forever. Until Nirvana, that is.
There is one more heaven than there are hells. This seems to suggest that the guy
who created samsara was actually a good being, despite creating hells.
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syncro
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Buster_Brown said:
If reality is a projection of karma, wouldn't it be somewhat predictable?
https://i.postimg.cc/rpBDdymg/Screenshot-20230128-192021-2.png[/image]
If thought would be.
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Re: Is Hell a real place? [Re: syncro] 1
#28162878 - 01/29/23 01:12 PM (1 month, 29 days ago) |
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Torturing Them With Rihanna Music
If these aren't actually the End Times, right now, someone is eventually going to have to rebuild from this cultural decay. Let's learn what is actual music and how to appreciate it.
Regarding the misguided, churchian doctrines, in which God is love, and Hell is separation from God --
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
-- Isaiah 45:7
"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
-- from Revelation 14 (My emphasis.)
"...six things that the Lord hates."
-- from Proverbs 6 (My emphasis.)
Sometimes, God hates, and prayers can be imprecatory (curses).
As Hell was originally intended for Satan and the fallen angels (demons), they are not tormentors but the tormented.
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AnattaAtman
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AnattaAtman said:
There is one more heaven than there are hells. This seems to suggest that the guy
who created samsara was actually a good being, despite creating hells.
Well, I should have used the past tense. I was talking about the original samsara,
where the hells still existed. They were shut down by the bodhisattvas some time ago.
For now, only the upper half of samsara remains: The heavens, matter, plus a couple of
weak hells, which are just unpleasant.
Shakyamuni Buddha teaches the hot and the cold hells (Nirayas) anyway. I must admit,
this is something I quite don't understand. Somewhere in the suttas, it is explained
that the Buddha teaches things which are both true and wholesome, not things which
are false and wholesome, and not things which are true and unwholesome. Teaching the
nirayas seems to belong to the second category: False and wholesome. It is a wholesome
teaching, because it makes beings accumulate good karma, which is the only way to
avoid being reborn in the lower realms. Or, probably, one may turn things upside down
and argue that the fact that the hells were closed down is true and unwholesome.
Perhaps the Buddha simply did not want to water down the Dhamma. The four noble
truths predate the bodhisattva movement: They are the complete hack of a life at
matter, how to become powerful in samsara. The bodhisattvas adopted the four noble
truths as their main teaching, for it has proven again and again to be very reliable.
The nirayas are an important part of that teaching.
It is also possible that the Buddha was refering to the hells outside of samsara, far
away from matter. There are a lot of hells out there.
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durian_2008
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I have an alternative explanation and leave it to the reader to decide whether it corroborates the Bible or other religious faiths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_universe
In my out of body experiences or dream like states, there are extra rooms in familiar houses, or extra stores in familiar plazas. Some places have recursive properties. Like the strangely-numbered train stop, in the fictional universe of Harry Potter or Merlin's handbag which contains an unexpected amount of volume, in The Sword in the Stone cartoon. There are extra corners, and light would seem to travel around corners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_definition
Other spaces are contracting and self limiting.
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It seems as though the extent of the demonic on earth would be modern warfare. We are facing WWIII opposite people coming to terms with the mystical experience. In that you have the potential hell and heaven. I mean, its all one collective mind. You either have people blowing people up/killing/torturing eachother with extreme intensity(DEATH), or you have a peaceful place to live/work/pray/meditate(LIFE). Mental spaces/planes. Holding both in the mind accepted as reality is a way to unify the opposites, but the extremes located in the collective mind, potentially worlds apart, probably give way to the actual reality of HEAVEN/HELL as realms, or what have you.
I believe this is part of the New World Order. There is the darkness and the light. Threatened with death loose ends are drawn together... The mystical agent/inspiration being revealed putting people in contact with experience(s) that is/are at the root of religion/spritual traditions drawing us all into a one world perspective...
It seems by design that the opposites are being orchestrated into being.
In God We Trust!
Edited by FishOilTheKid (01/29/23 05:02 PM)
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syncro
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I was going to say that it is a matter of usefulness to see, or not, what makes suffering as something that is not God. It is still something that came out of God. That which makes ego is a creation of God, so, God. Nevertheless, there is truth considered without conflict, as the only will, etc., that God has nothing to do with separation, this among other things in the Self being described as an ocean of being so vast that the universes are as mere bits of foam on the edges, and that the shadow creations, all appearances have no substantial reality as we may experience them. For example it's said that the body and world appearance rise due to ideas of past and future, or due to movement of thought at all, together ceasing.
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