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 Re: Definition? 
#281608 - 03/29/01 02:46 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Species are seperated by morphological differences. Differences that can be proven. Strains tend to vary in there outward appearance, if you must have a term, they are phenotypically different. Genetics + environment = phenotype. None of the species being sold or circulated as species can be classified as being strains of the same species. A strain is a variant of the same species. To answer your other question, yes there are visible differences between one strain of a species and another. Is the difference as drastic as species to species, Absolutely NOT.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#281670 - 03/29/01 03:24 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is the way I always thought it:
specie=Psilocybe cubensis
race=ecuador, thai, b+, etc....
strain=individual sector on an agar plate of a certain race and specie.
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Exactly Lizard King!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Definition?
#281782 - 03/29/01 05:57 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let me make this as easy as possible Cornbread. All I'm really saying is for vendors to add an s to the end of the word strain. I.e Gulf coast strains, Golden Teacher strains, B+ strains, etc..... Get it!!!! A print from Golden Teacher would be sold as Golden Teacher strains. A syringe would be a syringe of Golden Teacher strains. This would lead to less confusion when someone grows out a Golden teacher and it is not up to par in it's appearance. Or someone grows out a PF and it results in a massive number of aborts, or lacks fat asses!
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Re: Definition?
#281802 - 03/29/01 06:20 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cornbread
Cubensis hate incest, they prefer to mate with other strains.
Are your wondering if some of the known species might be related?
Edited by Teonan on 03/29/01 08:30 PM.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#281845 - 03/29/01 07:50 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I understand exactly what you are saying. Yes that does make alot of since saying B+ Strains eq strains. I got that just fine. I disagreed with B+ , Eq's,thais etc. all being races. I believed that they are all species.and yes I was wondering if some of the species being sold are actually strains of the same species and when I say species I mean eq,s thais B+ etc. I did not mean to make you mad. I was actually curious on other opinions that may make more since than my own.
I apolagize if I made you mad.
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I wasn't really following what was being said, untill Lizard King nailed it right on the head. I would like to thank you Lizard King for a very good example. Really then the vendors shouldn't be selling strains at all but different races right?
And then everyone one who preferes one race or another is a racist. Hahahahah...?
It really sounds like a big question of semantics to me.
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Re: Definition?
#282235 - 03/30/01 11:57 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks kast for the info. I read different ideas on either race or species. I looked it up in the dictionary about races and It says between races they can propagate . I was thinking that since cuby strains did not propagate interacially that it would be classified as a species. I stand corrected now I say cubys strains and not species. A quote from the dictionary about species: set of animals or plants, members of which have similar characteristics to each other and which can breed with each other . If psylocybe cubenis is a species then according to the dictionary they should be able to propagate between strains or races. That led me to believe that each strain or race is actually a species. In my opinion only, I think that pyslocybe cubenis is a family of species. Example: The cat family,tigers,lions,cougars etc... are a family of species Then you have the house cat Persian,calico etc... would be a race of a species and can propagate interacially. I quess it is different for mycology world. interesting stough here
Cornbread
Thanks for input
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 Re: Definition?
#282271 - 03/30/01 12:23 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sean_kush_123 you poser, you dont have shit to offer, your deroggatory comments are just to make you fell superior and have absolutely zero relevance.
Arent you glad they dont have 'karma' here like at overgrow because yours would be more fucked here than it is there.
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Re: Definition? [Re: cornbread]
#282322 - 03/30/01 01:28 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Technically, Psilocybe is the genus, and cubensis is the species. The strains, as Teonan pointed out, are determined by weather conditions and climate. And it's hard to find a good analogy for mushrooms, because they really are unique. They're not plants, they're not animals.
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Re: Definition? [Re: Kast]
#282383 - 03/30/01 02:34 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know that all you are saying is true. I had to look up genus in dictonary cause I did not know exactly what that meant. It is exactly what you said. The quote from the dictionary proves your fact. Quote: a group of animals or plants, below a family and above a species . every reference to this always associates with plants and animles. Fungi has its own unique guidelines on these terms. They have there own unique way of propagating. I still think that it sounds wierd that cubys are a species because if they was the same species they could propagate with each other according to the dictionary. I know you cant mate a B+ spore with a Eq spore. Leaving me to think that because of the fungas uniqueness and the way it propagates that it has exception to these rules.
Thanks for the input Kast
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Re: Definition? [Re: Kast]
#282388 - 03/30/01 02:47 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I grow mushrooms. Yes I have read the Mushroom Cultivator, and If you have done both of these things you would be agreeing with me not calling me names. My reason for the post is not for myself, it is to assist Newbies in the future. Multispore inoculations can result in getting strains of a spore race that are not up to par, in appearance, Yield, etc... It is hard enough for most to meet the proper environmental parameters to succesfully grow the fruits of this fungus. But to finally get everything to work and wind up with hundreds of aborts, or mushrooms not living up to the descriptions given would be very dissapointing. Call them spore races, explain to them that the mushrooms that form are only one strain out of many possible strains of that given spore race. That's all I'm saying. No more PF strain sucks!!!!! No more comments like this, GET IT!!! As far as I can tell, there are very few people on this site that actually select a strain to grow. They let chance decide on the strain they grow from this syringe.
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Re: Definition? [Re: Kast]
#282393 - 03/30/01 03:00 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kast, Fungi are now considered plants. Who knows what them scientist will say in 10 years.
IMO Fungi are not plants, they do not have anything in common with other green plants. They have more in common with human beings.
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Re: Definition? [Re: Russdogg]
#282415 - 03/30/01 03:51 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say they have more in common with humans. I mean they don't have blood.
Main Entry: fun?gus
Pronunciation: 'f&[ng]-g&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural fun?gi /'f&n-"jI, 'f&[ng]-"gI/; also fun?gus?es /'f&[ng]-g&-s&z/
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Latin
Date: 1527
: any of a major group (Fungi) of saprophytic and parasitic spore-producing organisms usually classified as plants that lack chlorophyll and include molds, rusts, mildews, smuts, mushrooms, and yeasts
Rusts? Wow didn't know that.
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Re: Definition? [Re: cornbread]
#282596 - 03/30/01 08:24 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cornbread, why is it that you think a B+ spore won't mate with any other spore race? Monokaryon to monokaryon.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#282621 - 03/30/01 09:08 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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teonan
hey ya friend, This has been brought up alot. I do not know personally. I have read that each kind of cuby would not mate with each other. If they did mate than this blows the whole therie that cubenis is a family instead of a species. What I am saying is that one monkaryon would not mate with another species of monkaryon. Like a haploid of EQ's would not mate with a haploid of B+
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#282626 - 03/30/01 09:12 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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teonan your comment that cubensis "doesn't like inbreeding" is just plain bull shit, a single print could produce an infinit number of new combinations of chromosomes.
dystopian harbfuckshit karma is the gayest shit i have ever encountered and you are probably just teonan defending your self.
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Re: Definition? [Re: cornbread]
#282632 - 03/30/01 09:17 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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corn breed you are incorrect, cross breeding is possible but rather impractical.
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Cornbread and Holographic need a basic course in genetics. Do the words tetrapolar and heterothallic mean anything to you guys. Only one quarter of P. cubensis spores will mate with the remainder of the spores from it's own print. Hence the concept " incest taboo". Go back and do your reading guy's, Remember The Mushroom Cultivator, by Paul Stametes and J.S. Chilton. This book only discusses the basics, but I'm pretty sure you will have a very difficult time finding many books on Mushroom breeding. Mushroom cultivation in the U.S.A is a relatively new endeavor here. And mushroom breeding is almost non-existent.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#282639 - 03/30/01 09:23 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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you are so full of shit man, one print contains hundred of thousands if not millions of spores, it wouldn't matter if only 1/10 of those spores were compatible, they would still produce a shit load of strain which would give rise to a shit load of mushrooms which again inturn would produce billions of spores, YOU ARE A FUCKING POSER!
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Holographic I know you Know. So quit flaming me. I have been stating all along that a print results in many strains, only a quarter of which will resemble the mushroom that donates the print. And out of those quarter strains very few are gonna be like that donor shroom. Spore race---- strains. This stuff may not help you but it certainly can help alot of people visiting this site and purchasing spore prints. Stick to the general discussion forums and growing pot. It seems to be your primary interest. Go eat some Brugmansia, Datura, morning glory seeds, make sure you take monster doses. If your not gonna contribute don't post. If I were feeding these people a Line OF SHIT, and you could prove it. By all means Flame me, but you Know I'm right, so Do like the dancing bears, and jig your way back to the other drugs.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#282657 - 03/30/01 09:59 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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teonan is right guys so quit bickering over stupid shit. It looks like he read the books and you didn't so go read PS book then come back and try to prove teonan wrong. oh yeah good luck.
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Aww seanie you can dish it out to newbies but you cant take it. Humm, I wonder, do your pages of TMC stick together?
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har?bin?ger (h?rbn-jr) n. One that indicates or foreshadows what is to come; a forerunner.
I do realize that my name is a bit more complex than Sean+the highest you can count but give it a try, I am suuuuuure you can figure it out given enough time.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#282764 - 03/31/01 01:36 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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teonan you are just a magician. he he. you know as well as I do that the reason you started this thread was to try and appear intelligent. teonan i will flame anyone on line for any reason BECAUSE THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE. you take it seriously cause you are a fucking loser.
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loks like you're taking t serously too sean.
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Re: Definition? [Re: Tec-9]
#282770 - 03/31/01 02:01 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh good one tec-9, not. you fucking poser :) kisses
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i hold no actual grudges against anyone i just like to push peoples buttons on line. is that taking it seriously tec-9? if i took these forums seriously, i would be a nice guy.
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Re: Definition?
#282774 - 03/31/01 02:11 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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FREEZE
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Are you having fun posting to yourself?
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Re: Definition? [Re: slither]
#282846 - 03/31/01 08:36 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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no doubt, they should have an age limit on here to keep toddlers off of here who play with toy bears.
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Re: Definition? [Re: Taz]
#282848 - 03/31/01 08:40 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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i am my own worst nightmare
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haha that you are dude!!!!!
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Re: Definition? [Re: Tec-9]
#282850 - 03/31/01 08:43 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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tek-9 are you Tom are you 2 just friends. I'm not flaming you i noticed you have the basic signature abot dmxhead are what ever.
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Re: Definition? [Re: Taz]
#282854 - 03/31/01 08:47 AM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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tom / tec-9 are one and the same
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eddie,
mushrooms in general may not resemble humans but psilocybin is almost exactly like the seratonin in your brain..they say the chemical structure in a psilocybe is almost a mirror image of the human brain..
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Re: Definition?
#283053 - 03/31/01 03:08 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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We should call it the Hitler tek, weed out the undesirables and promote the Aryian mushrooms!
Anybody ever heard of the term 'substrain'?
Take a trip to the Spore Lab @:
http://www.sunshine.net/www/1700/sn1730
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#283104 - 03/31/01 04:03 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Teonan: I apologize, I wasn't trying to call you names or anything. Unfortunately, many newbies who may have attempted to read this thread (after wading through knee-deep bullshit posts) aren't going to comprehend it.
holographic mind: It's obvious to me that YOU are the one who likes to appear intelligent, and you are jealous of anyone else who makes an intelligent factual post. Almost all of your posts reek of a child who desires to be someone and make a name for himself but simply cannot achieve it, so you release your frustration through flaming others. At least that's what I think.
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Re: Definition?
#283112 - 03/31/01 04:12 PM (23 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ryche, you are absoulutely right. If you just want a fruiting strain, then multispore germination will work. Whether you get a strain that is as vigorous or resembles the donor mushroom is a crap shoot. That was my basis for righting this. My PF strain sucks, my Ryche strain sucks!!!!!!! etc...., it only sucked because the best strain did not out compete the rest. I'm no mad scientist, I just like to grow the closest relative to the strain I selected from nature. After all I selected that mushroom for a reason. Sub strain would be a bad choice, because after all every Dikaryon is it's own strain. That's all, I really think this would help people who are interested in growing any mushroom. It would solve alot of the vendor bashing, and strain bashing.
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Re: Definition? [Re: ]
#2289939 - 01/31/04 03:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting read.
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