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tyrannicalrex
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AUTOFLOWER SEEDS
#28160350 - 01/27/23 06:56 PM (1 year, 22 hours ago) |
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So, I'm pulling the trigger on buying some auto-flower seeds for a balcony grow. TOTALLY legal here so no worries. I only need one or 2 plants and the seeds are in 5 packs. Questions: Could I technically order now and get 2 full grows before the fall if I start them inside in March or April? Full half day of sun from dawn until about 3pm. Due east facing balcony. Do they really only take 3 months to mature outside in a pot? I love sativas but don't know which names/varieties etc would be best with this type of seed so which ones would be best? Any suggestions on places to order? (if this is considered against policy ignore it)
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I’ve never grown autos before but you could probably get some good advice here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25131101
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KannaKris
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I grow autos pretty much only now, and yes, you can go from seed to finsh in only three months.
I have strain right now growing called Fog Dog, and it takes three months from seed exactly until you're smoking
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tyrannicalrex said: So, I'm pulling the trigger on buying some auto-flower seeds for a balcony grow. TOTALLY legal here so no worries. I only need one or 2 plants and the seeds are in 5 packs. Questions: Could I technically order now and get 2 full grows before the fall if I start them inside in March or April? Full half day of sun from dawn until about 3pm. Due east facing balcony. Do they really only take 3 months to mature outside in a pot? I love sativas but don't know which names/varieties etc would be best with this type of seed so which ones would be best? Any suggestions on places to order? (if this is considered against policy ignore it)
Auto flowers are triggered into flowering by root stress, not the day length. Once the taproot bottoms out in the pot, then they'll begin to flower. It's best to sprout the seeds and plant them directly into they're final container. Check out Twenty20 Mendocino for some amazing autos, I ran the Trizzlers, Triks, Trizkit, and Ogreberry, and they were all awesome. You can get them through Great Lakes Genetics.
Edited by bambus (01/28/23 09:05 PM)
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: bambus] 1
#28162052 - 01/28/23 09:50 PM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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I grew many autoflowers and never observed that. According to that logic they would never flower if you'd just plant them into ground outdoors. Can you post a scientific research or something on support your claim? I would be interested to learn something new. It's probably a secondary flowering trigger?
To my understanding autoflowers won't get triggered into flowering by shorter daylight exposure, because of their ruderalis genetics. Ruderalis grows in Siberia, where the days are quite long in summer, so nature has equipped them with another flowering mechanism than their photoperiodic sisters. Once you popped the seeds the time runs. If you know what you're doing autos are fine, but they will punish you big time in case you made a mistake and slowed down their growth. Photoperiod plants are more forgiving in that regard.
Anyway autoflowers are fun. Happy growing tyrannicalrex!
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Bambus - please provide information to back the claim because that's not how autos work as far as I know.
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28162242 - 01/29/23 12:17 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Is this competitive?
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Here is a link that mentions the root stress initiating flowering, of course it's not the only factor, as it was mentioned there is also set number of days that a given strain should finish in.
https://www.alchimiaweb.com/blogen/growing-autoflowering-cannabis/
I've seen it many times, someone starts an auto in a solo cup, and it will start flowering as soon as the taproot hits the bottom, far sooner than if you put the seed in a 5 gal pot. In general, the bigger the pot, the bigger the plant, so yeah they'll start flowering a bit later and finish later than in a solo cup.
In nature the taproot encounters increasing dense soil and rocks as it makes it's way down. The soil isn't loose for very deep. Once that stress is too much, flowering starts.
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: bambus] 1
#28162377 - 01/29/23 04:55 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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I don't know about that, no offense bambus
I start all my container autos in tiny pots, and I re-pot them as they start getting root bound. Mine always start to flower at the four our five week mark regardless of them being root-bound or not. Same as if I were to start them in their final big pot and never transplant. Also, my in ground plants flower at the exact same time frame too.
There is really no way to get autos to flower any faster, by letting them get rootbound, as far as I know, and I have grown many auto strains in various size containers. All start to flower at the four to five week mark, and males at week three.
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28162379 - 01/29/23 05:00 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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This little fog dog is 10 days old from seed, and the roots are at the bottom of the pot already. No way in heck it's going to start flowering until another few weeks regardless, even if I let it stay in this pot it's whole life.

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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28162422 - 01/29/23 06:31 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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KannaKris said: This little fog dog is 10 days old from seed, and the roots are at the bottom of the pot already. No way in heck it's going to start flowering until another few weeks regardless, even if I let it stay in this pot it's whole life.


Try a side by side, one in a solo, and 1 in a 5 gallon pot from seed. The one in the solo will begin to flower first, be much smaller, and finish earlier than the 5 gallon. The difference in flower start & finish may not be drastic, but yield will be, that was my point. Also, I 've never heard of anyone transplanting an auto after they are root bound, even a photoperiod takes time to recover, and an auto would never recover from truly being root bound, they just don't have enough time. With that being said, I'm glad you're sharing that you have different experiences. I think there's quite a bit of variation in the autos, so it's totally possible that we can have opposing thoughts on this. Another factor to consider is the degree of the expression of the autoflowering trait, some are actually semi-auto, there's some food for thought...
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: bambus]
#28162436 - 01/29/23 07:00 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Let me rephrase my statement 
I dont always start my autos in small pots and then transplant. I only do this when growing a plant or two indoors so they don't get as big.
I'm an outdoor grower only, and I can't grow more than a small plant or two indoors due to my roommate not liking cannabis plants really being in the house.
I also never let them get root-bound per say, I transplant when the roots hit the bottom of the pot. I will transplant this one today.
This all being said, I have never suffered any transplant shock, really from transplanting autos, and trust me I have tried to get smaller plants by doing this, and it just wont happen for me. Sure, they sometimes grow smaller than if I just let them grow int their final pot, but they still get plenty big and only slightly smaller than the ones that were never transplanted.
Last season, I started my autos in tiny pots,and transplanted them in my backpack out to my spots, and the plants still got a few feet tall, even with some of them totally spilling out of the pots in my back pack.
But like you said, there are different variations in autos, but all the ones I have grown never suffered any of the problems or myths that people would have you believe about autos 
I also totally agree with your side by side comparison grow 100%, and thanks for being a good sport about all this brother man
We are all here to learn, and we all have our different ways of growing. And, just because one thing works for someone else, and doesn't work for another, does not mean that their way of growing is inferior or superior to anyone else's
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28162482 - 01/29/23 08:04 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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KannaKris said: Let me rephrase my statement 
I dont always start my autos in small pots and then transplant. I only do this when growing a plant or two indoors so they don't get as big.
I'm an outdoor grower only, and I can't grow more than a small plant or two indoors due to my roommate not liking cannabis plants really being in the house.
I also never let them get root-bound per say, I transplant when the roots hit the bottom of the pot. I will transplant this one today.
This all being said, I have never suffered any transplant shock, really from transplanting autos, and trust me I have tried to get smaller plants by doing this, and it just wont happen for me. Sure, they sometimes grow smaller than if I just let them grow int their final pot, but they still get plenty big and only slightly smaller than the ones that were never transplanted.
Last season, I started my autos in tiny pots,and transplanted them in my backpack out to my spots, and the plants still got a few feet tall, even with some of them totally spilling out of the pots in my back pack.
But like you said, there are different variations in autos, but all the ones I have grown never suffered any of the problems or myths that people would have you believe about autos 
I also totally agree with your side by side comparison grow 100%, and thanks for being a good sport about all this brother man
We are all here to learn, and we all have our different ways of growing. And, just because one thing works for someone else, and doesn't work for another, does not mean that their way of growing is inferior or superior to anyone else's 
All great points my man! The autoflower conversation is an interesting one. Thank you for sharing 🙏.
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: bambus]
#28162495 - 01/29/23 08:18 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Thanks man, and you're welcome
I just love auto-flowers and learning all that I can about them.
Maybe we need an official auto-flower cannabis thread, because they are quite a bit different than growing your run of the mill photo-period cannabis plants for sure!
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28162543 - 01/29/23 09:13 AM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Make this the official then.
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tyrannicalrex said: Make this the official then.

Do it to it!
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28163786 - 01/30/23 04:30 AM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Another thing I've tried with autos is just growing them like "houseplants" with an uneven light schedule. for instance, just turning the lights on when ever I wake up, and then turning them off at night, no matter the light duration.
They still flower and finish this way, but I've noticed that it does prolong their flowering cycle by quite some time. This is the only drawback. But, other than that, they still grow and finish nicely
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28164360 - 01/30/23 01:01 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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KannaKris said: Another thing I've tried with autos is just growing them like "houseplants" with an uneven light schedule. for instance, just turning the lights on when ever I wake up, and then turning them off at night, no matter the light duration.
They still flower and finish this way, but I've noticed that it does prolong their flowering cycle by quite some time. This is the only drawback. But, other than that, they still grow and finish nicely 
That's really interesting!
The last autos I grew were my own cross I made, Ogreberry x Pink Panther (CBD). I put a single 42w cfl bulb over each plant, 18/6 lightning schedule in 2gal pots. I couldn't believe how good they finished, super frosty & great terps, but the yield was quite small.
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: bambus]
#28164391 - 01/30/23 01:22 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah, I mean, if you're growing autos for a huge harvest, then by all means do it right!
However, for those like me, that just like growing cannabis when they are stuck indoors for the winter, and can't grow indoors properly, then autos are very forgiving.
You can still get some smoke in the end, no matter the light schedule, and you have a super cool "houseplant" to look at. It's a win win
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Re: AUTOFLOWER SEEDS [Re: KannaKris]
#28164410 - 01/30/23 01:39 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah, I just did that grow as an experiment. People like to talk shit about autos, but they definitely have their place. Last year I put a couple outside in May and they were done at the end of July. Fresh outdoor herb in mid-summer, yes please!
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