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Integration / Disintegration
    #28155711 - 01/24/23 02:58 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

NY Times word of the day today is disintegrate

Is there value to disintegration? To breaking apart, dividing up?

Is there value in integration? To putting it all together? To unifying?

Do you tend towards one or the other as an approach to phenomena?

I like to think I tend towards integration (of experience). Starting with integrating towards duality, seeking the edges in which to establish a balance/middle way within. Then from a more balanced position, hopefully integrating again in non-duality (emptiness).

But I do find myself using disintegration at times. In my case it seems a response to too tight a grip. Breaking it apart makes it hard to grab as it just leaks through the proverbial cracks.

Better to lose my grip than to grip too hard :lol:


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle]
    #28155722 - 01/24/23 03:05 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

I let things disintegrate on their own (nothing lasts forever), and spend my time mostly immersing in situations or activities, and the integration happens on its own that way.

many activities are neither, such as sweeping or writing code in a program. After wards the dirt is gone (not disintegrated) and the program can be tested and debugged.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28155726 - 01/24/23 03:07 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

Sounds like it works well :smile:


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle]
    #28155756 - 01/24/23 03:32 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

there are tools we make and hone in software development:
like variables, objects, modules, and functions.

and we might use tools to keep the projects organized:
source control
bug tracking
scheduling and
automatic testing and versioning.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28156001 - 01/24/23 06:11 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

Take something apart to learn what its made of..

Then put it back together again.

Also learn about parts that fit together.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28159270 - 01/27/23 12:14 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

sometimes to problems solve you have to disintegrate for a bit as you learn something new and then integrate what you learn and come back together again, dissolve your view on something and then rebuild a new view in order to find a solution.

this reminds me of alchemy, disintegrating ourselves in the alembic of life in order to create something new, learn a lesson via integration of new things, by learning something new we create the philosophers stone (knowledge into wisdom).


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #28159354 - 01/27/23 05:34 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

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sometimes to problems solve you have to disintegrate for a bit as you learn something new and then integrate what you learn and come back together again, dissolve your view on something and then rebuild a new view in order to find a solution.

this reminds me of alchemy, disintegrating ourselves in the alembic of life in order to create something new, learn a lesson via integration of new things, by learning something new we create the philosophers stone (knowledge into wisdom).



reminds me of an argument I had with my wife last night
then I got over myself and solved the problem
and she did too.

defensive behaviour escalates, getting over oneself means seeing past the conflict - dissolving is one way to go, dissolving the hurt feelings is number one in my book.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #28159407 - 01/27/23 07:09 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

learn a lesson via integration of new things, by learning something new we create the philosophers stone (knowledge into wisdom).

I agree with your analogy of alchemy and how it relates to problem-solving. Disintegration and integration are important steps in the process of personal and professional growth. By breaking down our current understanding and perspectives, we open ourselves up to new possibilities and insights, which can ultimately lead to greater wisdom and understanding. The "philosopher's stone" of knowledge turning into wisdom is an apt metaphor for this process of transformation.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle]
    #28176367 - 02/07/23 02:43 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I feel like disintegration is the proper reaction to seeing the pieces but not really the full image, in order to dismantle and reconstruct it into something more
comprehensible, something that could br integrated


their balance to me feels like the balance of yin and yang, creation and destruction are both needed for progression. Else, how could one improve if not for their both functions.
Some, probably most theories are incomplete and the only way to add to them is to be able to rethink.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: spaghettiman1249]
    #28176478 - 02/07/23 04:29 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

What about instances where you take something apart but cannot put it back together?

And if progress is the end goal, it may not make sense to see both as equal. If they are equally weighted, there may be no movement all. Just circles. What about a perspective that emphasizes the value of preservation, rather than tearing down and starting from scratch?


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28177548 - 02/08/23 11:53 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

i think the weight is determined by level of comprehension. Disintegration doest have to be absolute, maybe all one may need to do to accomplish comprehension of a system is dismantle a simple aspect of said system. Rather reverse engineering than tearing down and starting anew.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28177555 - 02/08/23 11:59 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

i feel like as well since matter has memory theres no real such thing as starting from scratch as a human prompted with ideas. time contains fragments of what was masquerading as what is.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle] * 2
    #28177557 - 02/08/23 12:02 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

really the only thing that kills progress in humans is our irrational inclination to assume that something is absolute when in fact nothing is. everything is subject to change or has the potential required to be, thus all things will eventually become another.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: spaghettiman1249]
    #28177566 - 02/08/23 12:07 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

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spaghettiman1249 said:... everything is subject to change or has the potential required to be, thus all things will eventually become another.



for me, I disintegrate every time I fall asleep, and re-integrate on the way back, and if I come back slowly it is exquisite, and sometimes it is exquisite falling apart as well.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: spaghettiman1249]
    #28177986 - 02/08/23 04:52 PM (11 months, 12 days ago)

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really the only thing that kills progress in humans is our irrational inclination to assume that something is absolute when in fact nothing is. everything is subject to change or has the potential required to be, thus all things will eventually become another.




I'm just tagging this final post, but I agree with your points about comprehension, memory, and the silliness of absolutes. All quite well said IMO :thumbup:


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28177994 - 02/08/23 04:55 PM (11 months, 12 days ago)

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spaghettiman1249 said:... everything is subject to change or has the potential required to be, thus all things will eventually become another.



for me, I disintegrate every time I fall asleep, and re-integrate on the way back, and if I come back slowly it is exquisite, and sometimes it is exquisite falling apart as well.




One of my favorite visual trips is disintegrating into the surroundings and watching it integrate back to individuality


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28178010 - 02/08/23 05:08 PM (11 months, 12 days ago)

we have common ground


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: Kickle]
    #28181735 - 02/11/23 04:49 AM (11 months, 10 days ago)

integration and disintegration imply a process in motion.

if not in motion, then there is a position of, integrated or disintegrated.

when something comes to the position of being integrated, it can be broken down thru disintegration, therefore integrated disintegration. 

vice versa, when something comes to the positing of being disintegrated, it is at an ideal position to go thu integration, therefore, disintegrated integration.

in the end, these positions and motions are in a sense all the same, bc what is Absolute is one endlessly diversifying thing that exists.


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #28181802 - 02/11/23 06:17 AM (11 months, 10 days ago)

like an eternal yin yang concept?


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Re: Integration / Disintegration [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28181817 - 02/11/23 06:34 AM (11 months, 10 days ago)

an oscillating universe with circular spacetime is toroidal spacetime!



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