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Obvious or not so obvious? 5
#28153473 - 01/23/23 09:27 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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The Dalai Lama says that after much contemplation he has decided that all humans are seeking happiness. And while he may personally find faith an important element on his path, he does not think a lack of faith somehow excludes seeking happiness.
He suggests that ~1 billion of the 8+ billion people on the earth today do not prescribe to any religious faith. And so if we want humanity to be happy, we must account for this in the way we approach others.
This is why he is a big fan of science and leverages it as a means to explore and learn. It does not rely on religious faith for those who do not partake in religious faith. And the findings of science can be used as non-religious teachings towards wisdom and compassion.
The Dalai Lama does not say that science needs to find what any religion has found. The findings of science can be the findings of science, they do not need to be co-opted by religion. Merely that when science is used as the guide, it is most helpful when used to guide in a wise and compassionate way.
Obvious or not so obvious?
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: Kickle] 1
#28153478 - 01/23/23 09:32 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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I mean kind of refreshing compared to some other religious leaders perspectives.
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Yeah I think it's refreshing too.
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#28153500 - 01/23/23 09:50 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Rock the Lama!!!
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I sometimes sport the haircut
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: Kickle] 3
#28153573 - 01/23/23 10:26 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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I tend to think the core of Buddhism isn't religious anyway. The religious components of Buddhism come from pre-existing religions that were incorporated into Buddhist culture and The Buddha was as scientific as he was able to be at the time.
Being that there is a spiritual/emotional component (among others) there is still a problem of getting to it with science but certainly I think the Buddhist mindset should be open to utilizing and advancing science in a way that is conducive to happiness.
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: Rahz] 3
#28153758 - 01/23/23 12:21 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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both science and what I would call core buddhism are about how things are.
happiness is not part of them, although each position will probably have a view upon happiness.
I am enjoying shaved head hair do in last 6 months, I got a phillips hair trimmer - still on it's first charge!
I agree that pre-existing culture and religions have imparted form to buddhist culture which is mosttly formless
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: Kickle] 4
#28154118 - 01/23/23 03:51 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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The Dalai Lama is just so freakin cool and open minded. I love it 
I feel its obvious to state but also important to state as showing the differences between the two subjects is important for people to understand.
I do believe in the future, Science and Religion will merge at some point. And it will be a world-changing event or process. Only time will tell when this happens....
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why wait for the future?
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yeah, its a continuous process of self discovery among the people, among the clergy, and in the labs
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: Kickle]
#28154281 - 01/23/23 05:21 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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I think it's obvious, and that the various ways (should) follow the standard of quality or fruits above terminology. I think it can be said to be about happiness from the view that absence of suffering is happiness.
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: syncro]
#28154289 - 01/23/23 05:33 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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the issue is, the epistemology stance determines the nature of the findings.
solution?
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thealienthatategod said: why wait for the future?
Thanks for taking the stance of: not so obvious
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thealienthatategod said: the issue is, the epistemology stance determines the nature of the findings.
solution?
The question stumps, but perhaps it is more clear and actionable to simplify it to doing harm or not.
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: syncro]
#28154658 - 01/23/23 09:18 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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is there a frequency that can override all harm?
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redgreenvines said: yeah, its a continuous process of self discovery among the people, among the clergy, and in the labs
do you think spirituality can be measured in some specific neurobiological pathway?
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thealienthatategod said: is there a frequency that can override all harm?
Certainly I think - Ability to harm and be harmed is in notions of bodies, separation. Those frequencies are in the various means we use, stillness a doorway.
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thealienthatategod said: why wait for the future?
I wish we didnt have to 
What I mean is, I dont think mainstream Science and Religion are ready for a merging (yet). But perhaps, in maybe a few years, there will a merging of Science and Religion in Popular culture. I have definitely seen a lot of articles about psychedelics, studies of consciousness and new advancements in medical knowledge recently. I feel like its only a matter of time....
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Re: Obvious or not so obvious? [Re: Kickle]
#28154835 - 01/24/23 12:51 AM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Kickle said: The Dalai Lama says that after much contemplation he has decided that all humans are seeking happiness. And while he may personally find faith an important element on his path, he does not think a lack of faith somehow excludes seeking happiness.
He suggests that ~1 billion of the 8+ billion people on the earth today do not prescribe to any religious faith. And so if we want humanity to be happy, we must account for this in the way we approach others.
This is why he is a big fan of science and leverages it as a means to explore and learn. It does not rely on religious faith for those who do not partake in religious faith. And the findings of science can be used as non-religious teachings towards wisdom and compassion.
The Dalai Lama does not say that science needs to find what any religion has found. The findings of science can be the findings of science, they do not need to be co-opted by religion. Merely that when science is used as the guide, it is most helpful when used to guide in a wise and compassionate way.
Obvious or not so obvious?
Sounds to me like hes recognising hedonistic tendencies play a part of life for some people. If a fraction at times.
Sometimes I don't buy the cake for other people.
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redgreenvines said: yeah, its a continuous process of self discovery among the people, among the clergy, and in the labs
do you think spirituality can be measured in some specific neurobiological pathway?
Not as such, however if you are looking for clarity of mind (an unsullied spirit), then you will want to see strong alpha rhythms, even hippocampal and low amygdala activity, and continuous activity variance among the lobes and pathways.
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