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Kickle
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It will be the norm when human companionship is lacking in ways that AI can improve upon.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle]
#28180804 - 02/10/23 11:21 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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in what ways could ai improve on human companionship?
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are both given with unconditional love?
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Whether the article is legit or journalistic embellishment I don't know but I would never be able to "date" a chatbot as a substitute for a real human being. I think there is therapeutic potential but doubt the other claims will be what is promised but rather new forms of dysfunctionality and mental health issues to be explored.
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Kickle
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thealienthatategod said: in what ways could ai improve on human companionship?
I think for some it already improves by "being there" when the need for companionship arises. Where other humans are not, for whatever reason. Many people feel lonely, isolated. Especially post pandemic. So AI just being a companion is an improvement for them over the degree of human companionship they currently receive.
Also there are very real reasons that confiding in another has benefits for building a sense of trust. And for someone unable to confide in other humans, confiding in an AI that responds in a very human way will allow a sense of trust to blossom that maybe has been missing for a long time in their life. So AI is improving companionship for them by providing the ground to experience trust and non-judgement.
And I'm sure there are several other reasons people are drawn to interact with AI in ways that others interact with humans. Mostly due to real harm experienced in relation to other humans I'd imagine. Someone who was sexually abused for instance may have a repulsion around physical touch and so have trouble finding a partner willing to share their modified version of intimacy with. AI doesn't require physical intimacy to provide such people with a sense of dialectic relationship.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle]
#28181196 - 02/10/23 04:39 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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the thing is, corporeal humans who care, and are able to be with you exclusively - excluding their other opportunities, and that really makes you feel wanted at least in some way.
if the AI cannot at the same time attend anyone else, or do any thing else at the same time, then this begins to help a lot - it is like you have not been abandoned.
having someone's partial attention is never very satisfying. Usually people go for a pet if they cannot find human companionship, rather than settling for something that seems to mean nothing to the other person.
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You might think that, but evidence exists to the contrary. Humans seem to be very good at imagining things in a particular way when it serves a healing or protective purpose. And what looks like pretend to one, feels very real to another. Probably because the circumstances which they need healing or protection from are real, for them.
If AI can heal, I say encourage it. If AI can harm, I say mitigate it. If AI cannot do these things, then don't worry.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle] 2
#28181214 - 02/10/23 04:56 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Has there been mention yet of ChatCPT and the Philosophical Zombie?

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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Asante]
#28181227 - 02/10/23 05:04 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Well, the Full Metal Alchemist may describe a philosophy of raising the dead.
Report back what you find
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle] 1
#28181257 - 02/10/23 05:31 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Kickle said: You might think that, but evidence exists to the contrary. Humans seem to be very good at imagining things in a particular way when it serves a healing or protective purpose. And what looks like pretend to one, feels very real to another. Probably because the circumstances which they need healing or protection from are real, for them.
If AI can heal, I say encourage it. If AI can harm, I say mitigate it. If AI cannot do these things, then don't worry.
maybe you are right, maybe the others being healed add to a different layer of connection through the AI to the others. I don't know - I am more of a one on one at a time person.
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When there is an AI of substance, it will almost inevitably havi intimi it vibes really well with and average people who connect less intensively.
right now theres no one home.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle] 1
#28181280 - 02/10/23 05:58 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Kickle said: If AI can heal, I say encourage it. If AI can harm, I say mitigate it. If AI cannot do these things, then don't worry.
If it can do one it can do the other.
I watched M3GAN recently, which is a semi lifelike AI child robot that was "bonded" to another child with a prerogative to keep them safe which spiraled into preemptive murder to insure that safety. It did a pretty good job of making the AI's output seem a product of programming which is why I was a bit disappointed when it jumped the shark at the end with the "you bitch" comment.
I don't think dramatic scenarios like that are likely and I think AI can and will be very useful for trauma. But it will be used in any way it can to make money. So many ways that I suspect in a few years everyone will be knowingly using AI for one or more reasons.
I don't care for google maps audio but better AI would make it worth an earbud. And while I was driving and thought to myself, are there birds the spend most of their time on elephants, I would naturally ask the question aloud. Before arriving at my destination it would remind me of a birthday in two weeks. I would add a few items to the grocery list, play a song I wanted to hear, have a text dictated. The AI at work would be named Frank and he/she would be in charge of managing the company, answering the phones, dispatching workers, taking payments, coordinating with the county for work permits, registering warranty agreements, etc. Many of it's associates would also be AIs.
Four years later the service robots arrive and minus a few individuals the entire staff is let go of. Robots with the right AI can do everything humans can do except faster both mentally and physically.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle] 2
#28195871 - 02/20/23 10:24 AM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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thealienthatategod said: in what ways could ai improve on human companionship?
I think for some it already improves by "being there" when the need for companionship arises. Where other humans are not, for whatever reason. Many people feel lonely, isolated. Especially post pandemic. So AI just being a companion is an improvement for them over the degree of human companionship they currently receive.
I was watching the morning news today and paused it when I saw this image and subtitle, and took a photo. I don't feel like rambling on about my mixed feeling about it. But I have many. One feeling it triggers is sadness.

As someone who has experienced a lot of isolation in my life, I fully appreciate that even a photo of another human's face can bring relief. It sure feels a lot better than nothing! There have been times in my life I've felt so alone (and been physically isolated from others) that simply looking at a face in a magazine helped me feel better.
Imagine a monkey alone in a cage with a photo of another monkey.
I bet the photo would get a lot of attention. Pseudo eye contact.
Prison cells are often decorated with photos of people.
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What therapy was VR used for?
As far as pictures go I believe it's a poor substitute for having real people to interact with in person. I think maybe younger generations might get more from it if conditioned to it at a young age but at the same time I question that and wonder if such substitutes are unhealthy on a basic level. It's not so much particular uses of it (Therapy, communication, games, etc.) it's what is missing. Part of the meta push for VR was suggesting people would want to spend most of their time in VR. Wasn't that long ago there were suggested limits on screen time. And their primary interest isn't entertainment or therapy it's retail and commerce. So while the fantasy is having one's own little island and painting trees into the landscape everyone will find themselves in a virtual mall as a portal to specific content and that mall will be filled with advertisements.
VR has been around for a while now and hasn't lived up to the promise. When the company Meta was formed my first thought was that Zuckerberg had found a hill to die on.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Rahz]
#28196741 - 02/20/23 08:51 PM (11 months, 16 hours ago) |
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Although I know years ago it was hoped to treat PTSD, phobias, anxiety, stress, I only heard part of the segment and I'm unsure what they said about it specifically. The image struck me as bizarre - regarding being used as a method to increase "social connection".
I'm skeptical.
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle]
#28196887 - 02/21/23 12:41 AM (11 months, 13 hours ago) |
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Kickle said: You might think that, but evidence exists to the contrary. Humans seem to be very good at imagining things in a particular way when it serves a healing or protective purpose. And what looks like pretend to one, feels very real to another. Probably because the circumstances which they need healing or protection from are real, for them.
If AI can heal, I say encourage it. If AI can harm, I say mitigate it. If AI cannot do these things, then don't worry.
Well, in that case, please mitigate your impulses.
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Agreed
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Re: ChatGPT [Re: Kickle]
#28203863 - 02/25/23 10:45 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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A reference point for AI development: https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-predicts-ai-models-one-million-times-more-powerful-than-chatgpt-within-10-years/
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CEO Jensen Huang claimed that Nvidia's GPUs had boosted AI processing performance by a factor of no less than one million in the last 10 years.
In comparison to Moore's law with regards to processing power this is staggering.
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"Moore's Law, in its best days, would have delivered 100x in a decade," Huang explained.
So what does Nvidia predict for the next 10 years?
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"I believe we're going to accelerate AI by another million times," Huang says.
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