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Beef's Wheat tek 31
#28148303 - 01/20/23 12:48 AM (1 year, 8 days ago) |
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Beefs Wheat Tek
I decided to write a wheat prep tek. I do prep my jars carefully and slowly. I dont like burst grains and I dont like dirty jars. So if your goal is speed, this probably isnt the tek for you. I see some really bad jars and so I felt compelled to write this. Im one of the oldest noobs on the block because I dont get too deep into this hobby despite being around this forum since the early 2000's. I still use an SAB, I dont mess with LC, and I periodically neglect the hobby and let things fall to trich.
That said, I feel like my jars are a lot nicer than some of the jars I see around here, and they are 100x better than anything you can order from an online store and at least 9748382x better than anything I see on reddit. So if youre like me and believe that grain prep is the most important part of this hobby, have access to bulk wheat or rye, and dont mind taking the time to do it right, keep reading.

Im a visual learner. I believe that some things are easier done than said. That said, my goal with this tek is to create a very visual tek for those who learn similarly. Ive included as many pictures and animations as I could to really give you a good idea of what the grain is supposed to look and feel like at various stages.
I use wheat. Its basically identical to rye but its what I have access to. I buy a 50lb bag of it--untreated--at the feed store for $12. Its a bit bigger than rye and seems to hold a little more water. I live in a very dry climate and Ive struggled with no-prep rye teks drying and stalling out. Lets get into it.
Heres the raw product:
EDIT: 1/6/24 Its come to my attention that not all wheat is created equal. I finally got my hands on some of this red winter wheat, and its a lot more like rye. The process remains the same, but I find that its a lot harder and denser than the white, and in my opinion, inferior. Its taking a much longer time to colonize jars using this wheat, and I went out immediately and got myself a bag of white and went back. I think that red winter wheat, or hard white wheat are similar to rye and can be prepped this way, but just be advised, this tek was made using soft white wheat, which I think is the best grain to use for this craft.
I've heard tales also of "hard white" wheat which I have not seen or used either. I can't think of any difference these different products could possibly make in terms of the process, but I do think the harder kernels hold less water and are harder to tell if they've been saturated. I do think the harder wheats break apart easier, but the slower colonization time isn't worth it in my opinion.
Apologies to anyone who experienced trouble using hard wheats using my tek not getting the same results I did.

Heres the nutrition profile of wheat.

Zoom in and you can see all kinds of chaff and debris. A few bits of corn, so the first thing I do is clean it.
I measure it out. It more than doubles in volume when cooked, so If I want 10 jars, I measure 5 jars. I load it into my 23qt presto, but a bucket would be fine. I take it outside and I float the chaff and dead grain off. I suppose you could do this in a large sink or your bathtub but be careful you dont clog your drains.

I pour off the dirty water. I fill and stir with the hose to get more chaff and debris loose.

I pour it off. I keep doing this maybe 2 or 3 times until the water is clean. Like so:

Dont worry about the corn for now.
Now I soak. Approximately 20 hours at room temp. The grain softens a bit. Now it looks like this:


Then I cook it. Slowly. I never boil it. Boiling gives an inconsistent cook and bursts grains. My flame is set about like so: From one of my favorite members, Rumfor, he says that he gets fewer burst grains starting with cold water at this phase.

I cook it for a couple hours. Never boil, Never even simmer. I check it obsessively. I stir. I want it totally saturated but not with burst grains. It will change color. It gets daker as the white starches become imbibed with water. I eat a few. should be real tender. Its tasty. No starchiness or crunchiness.
Until it looks like this: (note the white spots. This is merely the tip of the endospore of the grain and not a sign of it being undercooked. Do not try to cook this out or you will ruin the batch and overcook.)

Now I rinse. Same process as cleaning at step one. Rinse until the water runs clean off it.
Then I drain and cool it. I use a big screen with a shoebox below it. You can do it however you like. Figure it out its not rocket science. Dont get burned. I let it cool until its cool enough to handle with my hands.
edit 9/17/23 Ive made a strainer for this step that really helps. Its a 20q tub wirh a bunch of 1/8" holes melted into the bottom. i did it with a hot nail. It works great. I run the hose over it. It drains slow enough that with wnough water volume from the hose, it fills up. so Im stirring with my hand as i add cold water. when it fills up, i dump off the ugly water and I keep agitating and rinsing and pouring until the water is more or less clean. Im not going to post a pic of this. Its simple enough. A tub with "a bunch" of holes melted into the bottom. Drilling always cracks the tub so do it with a hot nail. Sorry to be repetitive.

Then I dry it. this is the most important part and I believe it is the step that most people mess up. Wet grain is the kiss of death for myc. I use this "herb dryer" thing. You can use a screen but I really love this thing. It hangs from the ceiling. I used to spread the grain out on a table with a layer of butcher paper or news paper. It works but it takes forever and the results are inconsistent. the edges get crispy dry. If you do it this way, stir it up frequently.
edit 9/17/23 Yes I am aware that brewers bags probably also work for this step, GUERILLA, but this is how I like to do it. I think i get a real consistent dry with the herb dryer but if you dont have room for one, Brewers bags work well (allegedly) and if not that, you can always lay it all out on newspaper or butchers paper old school bod style.
edit 4/12/23 i used to spend hours drying it. sometimes id be up late at night doing it. Recently i accidentally fell asleep and woke up the next morning and the grain was perfect. So now, thats standard practice. set it on the herb dryer and go to bed. its perfect by morning.

I transfer it with this to-go cup from the phรด place. I run an oscillating fan on it but I don't think that's totally necessary. Also, you can pick the corn out now.

In my climate, it takes about 2 hours to get to the magic dryness. Heres where the herb drier is really nice. you give each layer a shake and the grain settles into nice little piles to transfer out:

I find it very easy to transfer every single grain into an empty shoebox without spilling a single kernel. I put my hand under the pile--under the screen--and scoop it into the cup. easier done than said. shake to get it into a pile again and repeat.
Now it looks like this:

Zoom in. it is dry to the touch. Swollen. Not burst. Here are some animations I made to give you an idea of what it should look like and how it should behave:
Notice how it doesn't stick to my hand. (Only a coulple cracked kernels might be sticky)

See how it pours. Will not stick to the jar.

see how it rolls in the jar. No clumping. Wont stick to either the glass or itself.

And thats it. Perfection.


PC'ed:

Wrap lids in tinfoil if your filters arent waterproof and PC for 90 minutes. Dont forget to vent your pc .
edit 9/17/23 : perfection. not a single burst grain. heres a new gif i did to show the non-clumping consistency after the pc cycle:
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (01/06/24 08:28 AM)
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Incredible work Beefman! Excellent job on this tek, very impressive! I've got my methods that work for me, but since it's beef I'm going to give this a shot just in solidarity.
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Looks great man! Nice wripe up!
Was thinking about trying wheat, think have to give it a try when my Rye is done
Thanks for all your effort Beef! It's much appreciated <3
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: Shrimps] 1
#28148312 - 01/20/23 01:05 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Well written tek, can't be arsed to prepare grain for hours though.
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#28148316 - 01/20/23 01:18 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Totally understand. Im typically studying or doing other work around the house as this is going on so I dont mind putting in the extra work for the consistency.
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Very good write up and prime looking grain. Would be nice to see an image of a sterilized jar as well.
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Great Idea!
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: Shrimps] 1
#28148496 - 01/20/23 07:34 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Nice one beef.
The most cost effective grain in my area is WBS with a shitload of wheat, and I find normal preps for millet heavy mixes donโt mesh well with the varied grain sizes. Bet your low and slow approach might just be the ticket.
Sweet GIFs too, love the visual reference on texture and stickiness in the hand/jar.
Recent (failed) attempts at no prepping has left me with a bucket of filthy wheat and milo and Iโm gonna Beef-Tek โข that shit and see whatโs up

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Great tek love the gifs
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I should look for some wheat. It always looks the best during colonization. Nice tek beef boy.
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: Nonagon] 1
#28148667 - 01/20/23 09:46 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Nonagon said: Nice one beef.
The most cost effective grain in my area is WBS with a shitload of wheat, and I find normal preps for millet heavy mixes donโt mesh well with the varied grain sizes. Bet your low and slow approach might just be the ticket.
Sweet GIFs too, love the visual reference on texture and stickiness in the hand/jar.
Recent (failed) attempts at no prepping has left me with a bucket of filthy wheat and milo and Iโm gonna Beef-Tek โข that shit and see whatโs up


looks like its ready. slow and low. let me know how it turns out.
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Baba Yaga said: Very good write up and prime looking grain. Would be nice to see an image of a sterilized jar as well.

i added this pic. As รผshche, that moisture will kindof reabsorb by the end of the day when i inoculate these.
I will make a GIF of how it still tumbles later after work
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I will 
Next time you prep Iโd be interested to know what the water temp is on your preferred setting.
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: Nonagon]
#28148818 - 01/20/23 11:38 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Nice write up Mr Supreme
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: Nonagon]
#28148911 - 01/20/23 12:39 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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ill check it but my guess is just under boil. around 200f i bet.
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thx bud.
nice sig you BOUGIE-ass, pinky-out-while-you-wrap-plates golfin ass sentors son!
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Thanks for this! It suits my aesthetic and I will definitely check it out next grain run.
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Rinsed, soaked ~20 hrs, and into the pot on low. Having never measured water temp for grain I heated slowly to establish a visual for simmer temps.
With the lid on I was seeing fine consistent bubbling starting at 180-185, briefly hitting a hard simmer at 190+
80 min cook all told - my longest to date, and hotter than suggested. I think 175f will be my target next time for low/slow, and establish cook time based off that.
Grain looks good 
Pictured: Dry, 20hr soak, 30 mins, 80 mins
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: Nonagon]
#28150272 - 01/21/23 09:20 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Low and slow is def the way for wheat and the long dry too
I like to bring to a boil dump wheat in bring back up to simmer and kill the heat, steep for 60 min but Iโll try a lower heat for a bit longer on my next batch and see if it isnt a little more consistent. I always just accept a few burst grains is part of it, but seeing your jars makes me jealous even though mine work just fine lol
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: AyePlus]
#28150287 - 01/21/23 09:38 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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I do a rolling boil for 40 minutes and never have any burst grains
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I cook a whole bag at once and when its done my pot is full to the brim, doesnt โrollโaround like a small batch would
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: AyePlus] 2
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What the hell man, my wheat isnโt sticking to the jar properly? No shitty starch paste?
Jokes aside this was filthy and full of broken grains out of the bag, I overcooked it, and it still rolls around the perfectly. Learned today that I have probably never dried a batch of grain properly.
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thanks bud. appreciate the vote of confidence.
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I'm a largely visual learner as well, so this is much appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: johnukguy]
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you bet. me too.
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Nice write-up Beef. Itโs concise, quality and contains a lot of information. I also like the attention given to detail and visual aide. This will be my go-to if I can get my hands on some wheat locally. Iโll return to this thread triumphant one day.
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3 quarts of air fried Beefy Wheat Supreme! Super hydrated on the inside from going low and slow on the simmer and extra dry on the outside after a half hour in the basket of my air fryer at 175F. The grains kept getting nicer and nicer until I just knew they were ready to roll.
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Wintergirl said: 3 quarts of air fried Beefy Wheat Supreme! Super hydrated on the inside from going low and slow on the simmer and extra dry on the outside after a half hour in the basket of my air fryer at 175F. The grains kept getting nicer and nicer until I just knew they were ready to roll.

oh no shit?? that's fucking awesome. How much grain can it hold?
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That's 3 myco-quarts in the photo, could probably hold one more. Need to leave a little headroom to stir it every now and then. I've also used it to dry fruits in a pinch.
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Great writeup! Been using wheat for a while very cheap around here. But always did the 16-20 hour soak. Will be trying this tomorrow Thanks!
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Homegrow19 said: Great writeup! Been using wheat for a while very cheap around here. But always did the 16-20 hour soak. Will be trying this tomorrow Thanks!
I believe it was only air fried for drying purposes
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Wintergirl said: 3 quarts of air fried Beefy Wheat Supreme! Super hydrated on the inside from going low and slow on the simmer and extra dry on the outside after a half hour in the basket of my air fryer at 175F. The grains kept getting nicer and nicer until I just knew they were ready to roll.

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Baller....I'll be trying this way. Any suggested adjustments for rye or oats?
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none. do the same
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fiddle_head said: Nice write-up Beef. Itโs concise, quality and contains a lot of information. I also like the attention given to detail and visual aide. This will be my go-to if I can get my hands on some wheat locally. Iโll return to this thread triumphant one day.
Well Iโve done it at last. That 50lb bag of wheat Iโve been staring down got broke into and we started doing some things 2 days ago. My shit is looking near perfect and this is my first attempt. I donโt want to draw any causation from my anecdotal experience but I will say I believe the slow summer is what sets this apart. First attempt everything turned out near perfect. I adapted to my own circumstances as we all must do; I sat a 5gal for chaff and floaters in the sink basin and used the extension nozzle from my kitchen sink. I did not use soap as surfactant. Dried on trash liners in 8x6 tent with 2 box fans, outfitted.



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Nice fid. Thanks for the endorsement.
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genuinely the best grain prep write up i've read, i've never felt like it really got wheat "right" until following this. my jars are coming out excellent now, no more weird moisture & burst grains. love that i can dry these anywhere from 2-24hrs too, makes the timing for loading & sterilizing jars way more flexible. i rinse, boil, & dry these in a brewers bag, laying the bag on a wire shelf to dry & i can't overstate how easy the brewers bag has made my grain prep (sorry to have to agree with guerrilla)
the wheat also freezes super well. i made way too much my first run as i wasn't expecting them to swell up as much as they did. froze it for about a week & the grains were still super primo after letting them defrost & dry a bit. could be useful for people who maybe don't have the time to do the whole ritual weekly but still need a lot of prepped grain.
thanks for writing this up beefy
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: hazyhorse] 2
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hazyhorse said: genuinely the best grain prep write up i've read, i've never felt like it really got wheat "right" until following this. my jars are coming out excellent now, no more weird moisture & burst grains. love that i can dry these anywhere from 2-24hrs too, makes the timing for loading & sterilizing jars way more flexible. i rinse, boil, & dry these in a brewers bag, laying the bag on a wire shelf to dry & i can't overstate how easy the brewers bag has made my grain prep (sorry to have to agree with guerrilla)
the wheat also freezes super well. i made way too much my first run as i wasn't expecting them to swell up as much as they did. froze it for about a week & the grains were still super primo after letting them defrost & dry a bit. could be useful for people who maybe don't have the time to do the whole ritual weekly but still need a lot of prepped grain.
thanks for writing this up beefy

hey thanks for the endorsemenr hazy. i take my grain serious. yeah i know the bags probably work pretty good i was thinking you could rinse the grain post-cook real well with them with a hose or even in the sink.
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oh yeah, the bag makes rinsing at any stage so simple, fits around the rim of the pot super well. & for drying, it's a built in screen, it's a win all around
i guess we can give the kid one point
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My roomate gave me some i was gonna try it out and keep it a secret from ril but awwww i suppose i could grow up.
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don't worry dude i won't tell him (; we can gaslight him & say it was your idea all along
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Oh i like the way you think. He will love that.
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What's a good price for wheat berries and does it matter which kind? I'm seeing soft white, hard white, and hard red spring. Best available looks like $55/25lbs
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Re: Beef's Wheat tek [Re: SdudEval]
#28611406 - 01/06/24 08:25 AM (21 days, 16 hours ago) |
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BE ADVISED: I have updated my this tek to include a little info about different kinds of wheat. I do apologize for not doing this sooner, I didnt realize there would be such a difference until I got a bag of hard red winter wheat.
I pay 12$ for 50lbs. 55 for 25lbs is expensive as hell but if the shoe fits...
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BeefSupremeJr said: BE ADVISED: I have updated my this tek to include a little info about different kinds of wheat. I do apologize for not doing this sooner, I didnt realize there would be such a difference until I got a bag of hard red winter wheat.
Thanks for the tek! I'm curious, is rye significantly slower to colonize than white wheat too, or did I misunderstand?
I followed the tek last month to prepare rye spawn for the first time and it seemed very slow to colonize from day 1, it spread at around 5mm/day if I had to guess.
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