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No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? * 1
    #28143238 - 01/16/23 04:34 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

If Biden somehow gets away with this wihtout getting impeached then is there any real rule of law for the rich and powerful anymore in the US?

Food for thought.....

Oh and who pays $49,000 per month for rent? Hunter is either money laundering or holds the record for rent paid living in a parents basement.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: thetruthsohelp] * 1
    #28143264 - 01/16/23 04:50 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

Considering he did the exact opposite of trump and offered them up without even being asked, I really don't care unless the contents are genuinely dangerous. Even with trump I wouldn't care if he hadn't handled it the most sketchy possible way. Maybe things that are classified shouldn't leave designated safe areas in general?


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28143299 - 01/16/23 05:10 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

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Oh and who pays $49,000 per month for rent? Hunter is either money laundering or holds the record for rent paid living in a parents basement.




Wait, the $49K rent was to live in Joe's house?  Not a separate property?


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: feevers] * 2
    #28143739 - 01/16/23 10:24 PM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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feevers said:
Considering he did the exact opposite of trump and offered them up without even being asked, I really don't care unless the contents are genuinely dangerous. Even with trump I wouldn't care if he hadn't handled it the most sketchy possible way. Maybe things that are classified shouldn't leave designated safe areas in general?




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feevers said:
Considering he did the exact opposite of trump and offered them up without even being asked, I really don't care unless the contents are genuinely dangerous. Even with trump I wouldn't care if he hadn't handled it the most sketchy possible way. Maybe things that are classified shouldn't leave designated safe areas in general?




He was Vice at the time and Vice presidents should not have classified documents, like ever dude. At least trump had them in a secure safe and at least he has the defence that as President he can declassify. Biden has no such defence.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28143824 - 01/17/23 12:34 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

Biden and trump should be treated the same when it comes to the classified documents, but the republicans were silent about trump while the democrats shouted, and now the democrats are silent while the republicans shout, so they're both equally fucked and playing politics when it comes to this shit. All the increasingly strained rationalizations by both sides to try to explain why it was different with one vs the other is typical politics.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #28143953 - 01/17/23 04:51 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

A vice president does not have the summary ppowers of declasification, only a president does. How can you say that these two different cases should be treated the same?


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28143974 - 01/17/23 05:37 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

He is saying the net result is the same. The legal circumstances are different though, depending on who you listen to.

What most are not talking about is a solution, like establishing a better tracking system for the National Archives. Right now they don't seem to know what's missing unless someone else finds it.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28143996 - 01/17/23 06:05 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

Yeah I agree.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144054 - 01/17/23 07:21 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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A vice president does not have the summary ppowers of declasification, only a president does. How can you say that these two different cases should be treated the same?



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/

"Under an Obama-era executive order that retained a Bush-era order, vice presidents have the authority to classify and declassify documents — just like presidents. There is some ambiguity about whether they have the power to order departments and agencies to declassify material deemed secret by those agencies, but the scope of this power has never been tested. "


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: feevers]
    #28144062 - 01/17/23 07:34 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

Maybe it did it like Trump and declassified everything in his mind.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: feevers]
    #28145904 - 01/18/23 01:05 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

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thetruthsohelp said:
If Biden somehow gets away with this wihtout getting impeached then is there any real rule of law for the rich and powerful anymore in the US?





This was pre-presidency, how is that impeachable? Plus, he didn't obstruct justice when it was discovered unlike his predecessor...

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feevers said:
Considering he did the exact opposite of trump and offered them up without even being asked, I really don't care unless the contents are genuinely dangerous. Even with trump I wouldn't care if he hadn't handled it the most sketchy possible way. Maybe things that are classified shouldn't leave designated safe areas in general?




Bingo.

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thetruthsohelp said:
He was Vice at the time and Vice presidents should not have classified documents, like ever dude. At least trump had them in a secure safe and at least he has the defence that as President he can declassify. Biden has no such defence.




Why shouldn't they have classified docs? Besides not being even remotely true, it also doesn't make much sense.

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Biden and trump should be treated the same when it comes to the classified documents, but the republicans were silent about trump while the democrats shouted, and now the democrats are silent while the republicans shout, so they're both equally fucked and playing politics when it comes to this shit. All the increasingly strained rationalizations by both sides to try to explain why it was different with one vs the other is typical politics.




For the most part I agree with this. There are, however, some significant differences that are above politics. Mainly the obstruction piece in the Trump case.

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A vice president does not have the summary ppowers of declasification, only a president does. How can you say that these two different cases should be treated the same?




First, this is besides the point. Having the power to declassify doesn't make what Trump did ok since there is no proof that he ever did! (And yes, you have to provide proof that documents have been declassified)

Plus there's also...

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feevers said:
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thetruthsohelp said:
A vice president does not have the summary ppowers of declasification, only a president does. How can you say that these two different cases should be treated the same?



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/

"Under an Obama-era executive order that retained a Bush-era order, vice presidents have the authority to classify and declassify documents — just like presidents. There is some ambiguity about whether they have the power to order departments and agencies to declassify material deemed secret by those agencies, but the scope of this power has never been tested. "




This.

I do think these instances should disqualify both of them from running again for any position that requires handling of classified material. Plus, both of them are way too old to be president.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: Randar]
    #28145909 - 01/18/23 01:13 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

There is evidence Trump tried to get Giuliani to take documents. Giuliani is on the record saying as much.

I'm not saying that this situation with Biden is okay, I don't think it is. However, the situations are very different.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: Randar] * 3
    #28145935 - 01/18/23 01:29 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

Watching you guys jump through olympics-level hoops to avoid having to admit to the obvious double standard is hilarious.

"You see, anything Trump does is always bad 100% of the time... but when it comes to us, we're different! The FBI and DOJ totally aren't biased, you fucking domestic terrorists!" :lol:

You guys would get a lot more respect if you were just honest with yourselves and with the rest of us and admitted that your hatred of Trump is more important to you than attempting to maintain any kind of semblance of fairness in American politics.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: chopstick]
    #28145948 - 01/18/23 01:35 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

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Watching you guys jump through olympics-level hoops to avoid having to admit to the obvious double standard is hilarious.

"You see, anything Trump does is always bad 100% of the time... but when it comes to us, we're different! The FBI and DOJ totally aren't biased, you fucking domestic terrorists!" :lol:

You guys would get a lot more respect if you were just honest with yourselves and with the rest of us and admitted that your hatred of Trump is more important to you than attempting to maintain any kind of semblance of fairness in American politics.




C'mon, the same could be said the other way.

Taking home classified information is bad, period. Both are at fault here.

Lying about, obstructing the feds, trying to hide said information, takes it to another level. Only one of them is guilty of this.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: Randar]
    #28145955 - 01/18/23 01:38 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

:whathesaid:
and you grow weed

:congrats:


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #28145981 - 01/18/23 01:59 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

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Considering he did the exact opposite of trump and offered them up without even being asked, I really don't care unless the contents are genuinely dangerous. Even with trump I wouldn't care if he hadn't handled it the most sketchy possible way. Maybe things that are classified shouldn't leave designated safe areas in general?




Turning myself in for a crime doesn’t absolve me. Yeah, he looks way better than trump by comparison, but that’s always been the democrats’ whole deal.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28146013 - 01/18/23 02:20 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

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feevers said:
Considering he did the exact opposite of trump and offered them up without even being asked, I really don't care unless the contents are genuinely dangerous. Even with trump I wouldn't care if he hadn't handled it the most sketchy possible way. Maybe things that are classified shouldn't leave designated safe areas in general?




Turning myself in for a crime doesn’t absolve me. Yeah, he looks way better than trump by comparison, but that’s always been the democrats’ whole deal.




I don't really care what's a crime or what looks better, the way Trump handled it makes me more concerned about the contents of the documents and his intentions. I'd be perfectly happy to see them as cell mates


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: feevers]
    #28146023 - 01/18/23 02:27 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

For real, lock them both up for it. Clearly, Trumps situation is worse though. Especially because they had lawyers saying there were no documents and there were documents. In Biden's case they found them and turned them over. Not a lot of gymnastics to be had there.


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: christopera]
    #28146027 - 01/18/23 02:29 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

And from today's news, now Trump is back to the "FBI planted the docs" argument. He's claiming he just kept the empty folders as "cool keepsakes". :rolleyes:


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Re: No ones gonna talk about the classified documents? [Re: Randar]
    #28146031 - 01/18/23 02:30 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

He's been saying extra crazy shit lately.


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