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Let's lower taxes. * 1
    #28143152 - 01/16/23 03:47 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

I feel like this is a reasonable proposal we can all get behind. Let's lower taxes. Especially income tax, but hey, I'm easy, could be any tax.

Now I know some of you would like to lower taxes to zero, and maybe there's some good arguments for that, but every little bit helps right? If we can all get behind just lowering taxes, that'll benefit everyone. Do you like the amount of income tax you're paying now, or would you like to pay less?

You might ask "how will we pay for it?" Easy: eliminate the DEA. Problem solved. :cookiemonster:

I feel like we can all get behind lowering taxes a bit. What do you think?


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: nooneman]
    #28143171 - 01/16/23 04:00 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

Well, I think your average American should pay income tax....close to 40% pay no income tax. Even if it's a nominal amount, we are all in this thing together.

All for getting rid of the "loopholes", but if it's legal, the word really is misleading. The tax code does need a cleaning.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 4
    #28143381 - 01/16/23 05:49 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

If taxation is inevitable, an income tax with a progressive increase based on amount of income is the most preferable type of taxation for most people. Sales tax, social security tax, sin and excise taxes are all regressive in nature and disproportionately effect low income earners more than high earners and the wealthy.

In the United States in particular, we create all kinds of tax breaks and deductions that are difficult to navigate for people they were intended for, whereas in other countries these things tend to be automatic. This is by design, there is a lot of money in a complicated tax system for tax preparers and software companies. Just a few years ago Intuit (Turbo Tax) and other tax filing companies successfully lobbied the federal government (and each party) to get rid of free filing systems online so they could corner the market on ease of access tax filing systems. This is a blatant corruption of our tax system across the board and people should have their heads chopped off for it.

Getting rid of the income tax would drive tax procurement to other areas that would definitely hurt most people more than existing schemes. And I believe our tax system is more complicated than most because we embed social welfare programs into the tax code instead of implementing them as their own programs.

I think the ideal tax system is one with fewer deductions and subsidies which just obfuscate the entire system (of which the US has hundreds), a logarithmic tax scale which simplifies and enables anyone to know how much they will be taxed, taxing personal and corporate incomes with the same rules and automatically calculating a persons taxes with an objection system instead of the other way around. States and counties with heavy sales taxes would generally serve their constituents better by reducing them and making up the difference through income taxation.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #28143402 - 01/16/23 06:00 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

The best way is to figure ones tax monthly (income); and change deductions accordingly / file exempt for the appropriate month(s)or so.....the goal being to get as close to zero for a tax refund as possible, otherwise you have just given the government an interest free loan.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #28143408 - 01/16/23 06:01 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

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nooneman said:
I feel like this is a reasonable proposal we can all get behind. Let's lower taxes. Especially income tax, but hey, I'm easy, could be any tax.

Now I know some of you would like to lower taxes to zero, and maybe there's some good arguments for that, but every little bit helps right? If we can all get behind just lowering taxes, that'll benefit everyone. Do you like the amount of income tax you're paying now, or would you like to pay less?

You might ask "how will we pay for it?" Easy: eliminate the DEA. Problem solved. :cookiemonster:

I feel like we can all get behind lowering taxes a bit. What do you think?



Eliminating the DEA wouldn't make a fucking dent.  We spend a trillion more a year than we tax, so eliminating a 3.5 billion dollar agency is meaningless.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: Enlil]
    #28143814 - 01/17/23 12:15 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

The DEA part was just a joke.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: nooneman]
    #28143952 - 01/17/23 04:46 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

I'm all for lowering taxes accross the board. I also think we should have a flat tax of 30% on income for everyone, that way there can be no accusations that fuel class warfare rhetoric. We all should pay the same percentage.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp] * 2
    #28144028 - 01/17/23 06:52 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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thetruthsohelp said:
I'm all for lowering taxes accross the board. I also think we should have a flat tax of 30% on income for everyone, that way there can be no accusations that fuel class warfare rhetoric. We all should pay the same percentage.



A flat tax will raise taxes on most Americans.  So much for "lowering taxes across the board."


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: Enlil]
    #28144083 - 01/17/23 07:53 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

Well at least it would be fair. As for lowering taxes, how about abolishing all other taxes except income tax that would be a flat tax.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp] * 1
    #28144097 - 01/17/23 08:08 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

What?

How is it that American's have no idea how taxes work? It kills me.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: christopera]
    #28144098 - 01/17/23 08:11 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

What what? How come Americans think they never have to explain themselves....


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144100 - 01/17/23 08:12 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

What kills me is that Americans had a revolution over minimal taxation and now everyone just accepts that if it moves it should be taxed, if it stops it should be taxed, if it dies it should be taxed.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144102 - 01/17/23 08:13 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

How is flat tax fair?

How is abolishing taxes going to make things better?

Go look at the places with the lowest taxes and see how equity is at it is lowest.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: christopera]
    #28144107 - 01/17/23 08:17 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

Its fair because everyone pays the same percentage.

Abolishing taxes means more money in the pockets of the average joe and less in the pockets of corrupt politicans to spend and what 'they' think is best for you.

How do higher taxes mean more 'equity'? :confused:


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144112 - 01/17/23 08:23 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

That's not how finances work. Have you ever paid taxes, because you sound like you haven't.

High taxes mean more equity because wealthier people don't need the extra money. Especially the super rich, they are so rich that they don't need the services the normal people need.

Have you ever ridden a bus? How about driven on a road? Maybe went to public school? They don't just appear out of thin air.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: christopera]
    #28144121 - 01/17/23 08:31 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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That's not how finances work. Have you ever paid taxes, because you sound like you haven't.

High taxes mean more equity because wealthier people don't need the extra money. Especially the super rich, they are so rich that they don't need the services the normal people need.

Have you ever ridden a bus? How about driven on a road? Maybe went to public school? They don't just appear out of thin air.




The fact that you think most taxes go to pay for better roads and public schools shows your naivety. How ludicrous.

As for rich people not needing their money. Who are you to decide for another person what they need or don't need or how they are to spend their money? Its none of my business what other people choose to spend their money on or what they need or don't need. The less taxes the more money in everyones pockets and I trust individuals who work for their money to spend it more wisely than politicians.

And yes I pay taxes like everyone else.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144128 - 01/17/23 08:35 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

I never said most taxes do those things. That's a strawman.

I am a person in society, just like you. We all have decided that people need to pay to support society. It's actually pretty simple. In fact, when you look at pieces of society with the greatest equity and greatest quality of life, they also generally have the highest taxes. Especially so on the very wealthy. Not much you can do about that.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144171 - 01/17/23 09:18 AM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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Its fair because everyone pays the same percentage.

Abolishing taxes means more money in the pockets of the average joe and less in the pockets of corrupt politicans to spend and what 'they' think is best for you.

How do higher taxes mean more 'equity'? :confused:




Like I stated earlier almost 40% of Americans don't pay income tax. A flat tax would impact those folks big time, and put less money in their pocket.

I do think everyone should pay income tax, but at a very low level or a standard amount below a certain income level. It really isn't "fair" for the other 60% of Americans foot the entire bill. I also think it would make people feel like they got some skin in the game.


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28144680 - 01/17/23 04:07 PM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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Quote:

thetruthsohelp said:
Its fair because everyone pays the same percentage.

Abolishing taxes means more money in the pockets of the average joe and less in the pockets of corrupt politicans to spend and what 'they' think is best for you.

How do higher taxes mean more 'equity'? :confused:




Like I stated earlier almost 40% of Americans don't pay income tax. A flat tax would impact those folks big time, and put less money in their pocket.

I do think everyone should pay income tax, but at a very low level or a standard amount below a certain income level. It really isn't "fair" for the other 60% of Americans foot the entire bill. I also think it would make people feel like they got some skin in the game.




I wouldn't necessarily describe people who are literally too poor to pay taxes having to pay taxes as "fair". Seems it would be much more fair to create a society where wealth is distributed equally enough that there isn't an established underclass of working poor that earn so little money they can't even afford to pay taxes (among other things), while 59% of Americans pick up the tab for the rest (HAHAHA, you think the 1% pays taxes? lol)


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Re: Let's lower taxes. [Re: thetruthsohelp]
    #28144689 - 01/17/23 04:11 PM (1 year, 10 days ago)

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thetruthsohelp said:
I'm all for lowering taxes accross the board. I also think we should have a flat tax of 30% on income for everyone, that way there can be no accusations that fuel class warfare rhetoric. We all should pay the same percentage.




So, raise taxes on everyone that makes less than ~450k/year (single filer, married joint filers would be somewhere around 1 mil annual income), and lower taxes on everyone that makes above 450k/year?

Sounds like you just wanna give a bunch of money to the rich. Specifically, the top, oh, half a percent would see their taxes go down, while the 99.5% at the bottom would see their taxes go up.


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