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RJ Tubs 202



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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: Roflspammer]
#28104559 - 12/19/22 08:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The second issue is that psychology has become medicalized . . .
Misery is now mostly viewed as a medical issue - biological malfunctioning of a myriad of forms.
I have a friend of 30 years who's always focused more on getting money and becoming wealthy than cultivating relationships. He's always told me he doesn't have the time for relationships because of his many "business ventures". He lives alone in the hills, 25 miles from a major town. He's very isolated - physically & socially.
The last 6 months he's told me he wants to commit suicide. He's tried a dozen medications over the years and recently did 10 sessions of electric shock treatment on his brain. I have a wonderful therapist (who has helped me discover what fuels my misery and emotional disturbances) and I asked her about my buddy.
I told her I'm perplexed why anyone would view misery fueled by prolonged isolation as a medical problem. If you have a vitamin deficiency, it's silly to believe that joining a bowling league is a remedy. You fix a deficiency by obtaining what you need. I was surprised she didn't agree with me and said that meds are the way to go.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28104585 - 12/19/22 09:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think part of the reason for that is that science has worked so well; medicine is one of the few functioning institutions left in this country. If you want to fix homelessness, do you trust scientists or do you trust politicians? Hence, homelessness can now be billed as a medical problem. I anticipate issues down the road for this, mostly in the public losing more trust in medicine. Homelessness has medical consequences, but I wouldn't call it a medical diagnosis.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: Roflspammer] 1
#28104596 - 12/19/22 09:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I don't equate the DSM with science. Mental disorder diagnosis is generally based on a checklist that is filled out during interviews. The American Psychiatric Association votes on what they view as normal & abnormal experiences, and that determines the contents of the checklists.
But the DSM is sacred ground these days. Not to be questioned!
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Anonymous #1 said: I've been to a couple of psychologists hoping to find someone that would help me, but they just gave me useless advices that were of no help at all. Do you have similar experiences ? What can somebody do if is in need of help and without much money ?
Regards
They are worthless to strong minded people.
All they do is say 'talk about something random' then they say 'and how does that make you feel?', then they give you the most obvious advice that could possibly be given usually knowing that you already know the obvious advice and cant/won't do the obvious advice anyway because you have a problem with that obvious advice. Then they ask you what you think about that. Then they ask you how that makes you feel.
Then you do it again, round and round it goes.
Fuck I feel like I just had a session just typing that out.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: CapSlinger] 1
#28105041 - 12/19/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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All they do is say 'talk about something random' then they say 'and how does that make you feel?', then they give you the most obvious advice that could possibly be given
A good therapist approaches emotional disturbances (self-loathing, depression, anxiety, rage, jealousy), loneliness, and relationship conflicts as a journey in problem solving. You are the driver. It's your life. I've never experienced what you describe. Not all therapists possess effective skills - just like any profession.
People often seek help when they are unsuccessful in solving problems.
Various forms of misery are fueled and sustained by ignorance.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28109001 - 12/22/22 04:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Therapy psychologists and anything is pointless and a waste of time if you don’t want to be helped. It’s dumb people pay a bunch of money to talk to someone about stuff and nothing gets changed. I think doing stuff you enjoy and not living life to please other people is good. All the psychologists I talk to tell me not to play violent video games or watch violent movies and try to get me to do stuff I don’t like or find helpful. I think you should do what makes you happy as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.
Stuff that makes me feel good is hard to get though I really only like drugs sex and dangerous things if it’s not dangerous I don’t enjoy it as much. They find this as a warning sign but I just like living life to the maximum they want to prevent it. I think psychologists purposely try to do negative things to me because they don’t agree with my lifestyle and refuse to admit they are wrong. I think they all evil bad people never met a good one.
They don’t admit to truth if their schooling teaches them different. It may say drugs cause really bad things and they do for most people but I just really enjoy them and honestly I believe I would be dead if I did not have access to some good chems. Drugs are the reason I keep living and they try to keep them away it’s like they want people to kill themselves or freak out. It’s so dumb to spend money talking about how my brain has been chemically altered to only feel pleasure with chemicals. Talking not going to help only more chemicals
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I used to actually tell people that using meth saved my life. And I believed it. The belief I'm happier doing drugs is alluring and seductive - yet a mind under the influence of drugs sees itself and the world in a very distorted way.
It's a fascinating journey to learn why we fuel our misery.
Misery is more addictive than any drug out there . . .
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: CapSlinger] 1
#28109954 - 12/23/22 01:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: I've been to a couple of psychologists hoping to find someone that would help me, but they just gave me useless advices that were of no help at all. Do you have similar experiences ? What can somebody do if is in need of help and without much money ?
Regards
Psychology has many schools of thought.
Once you have successfully determined what is on your mind, you can look up what are different peoples' opinions.
I guess, the use of a psychologist, here, is that you have an impartial observer.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: durian_2008] 1
#28115296 - 12/28/22 03:57 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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I don’t like any sort of authoritarian regime I don’t agree with a lot of stuff mental health professionals say I don’t think they even agree with it constantly like sometimes I think they even understand that drugs are fun and enjoyable while using them but can’t provide them or get them legalized because of the government. I just don’t think drugs are as much an issue as the power struggle to get them people do all kinds of things they normally would not for drugs. It seems like the worst people on earth have control of the drugs and understand they hard to get even do it on purpose so getting them requires crime. I guess not psychedelics but meth coke and fentadope you need to be a real criminal to get the insane people selling it to trust you. It’s as if the system is designed for drug users to fail and it’s entrapping on purpose they use entrapment to get extra charges like fake buyers get my friend to drive to a area where dealing is a felony just to fuck up his life.
They bigots when it comes to drug use and somewhat racist I can’t understand how peyote is illegal it confuses me so much, modern weed to a non user would mess you up more than a single peyote cactus about 5 years old I’m pretty certain. They don’t even want you to replant them they want them to go extinct it’s not conservation it’s destroyed in wild by all the new Texas Mexican towns. Some still left but I don’t understand why a non dangerous sacred plant needs to be so restricted. I think it should matter only what you do in real life like if you use drugs and don’t steal or hurt anyone I don’t see a problem don’t drive a car it’s simple really.
Problem is dealing with passive aggressive people stealing your stuff doing bad things cause you high. I’m pretty sure if I didn’t use drugs mental health people wouldn’t bother me at all they just like to because they probably know they can cause I don’t do anything so they enjoy profiting by forcing me to do things they want and I don’t. I do things I personally don’t agree with or like because of how angry I am with being treated like someone who is insane because I can’t get drugs I want. It’s not insanity to just want things and be very angry when told no especially drugs you had before are well aware you can handle and have actually changed your brain to want them permanently. I think chemicals can be more addictive than eating disorders or sex addiction because it’s really bad withdrawals but the desire never goes away. It’s so expensive it’s not easy to even survive. It’s very frustrating for the government to spend money telling you things you don’t agree with will not comply with and even point out what a waste of time and money it is just to be told its needed. I can’t believe they will spend so much money on drug treatment and use law enforcement to force people to not do what they enjoy but will not help people get stuff they keep wanting.
Nothing really is evil about drugs but the government is nazis and wants to make it look as bad anyway they can including sabotage. The problem is the people in power of drugs I’m not the only person that really wants stuff the pharmacy will not provide it’s why the cartels have so much money and power. If I wasn’t constantly afraid of being locked in prison and had the ability to enjoy life I would act completely differently. Prison is such a terrible place I would rather die the 8th amendment is fake as it gets.
I want drugs in a locked setting more than any other time and would do anything they asked for meth or whatever including bad behavior towards inmates like you will get solitary confinement a few years but I think they let you back eventually. Stabbing people and getting butfucked for drugs no fun and actually evil (I don’t really like men but it wouldn’t be evil if you enjoyed it and didn’t do it for drugs) nothing would be evil with the chemicals if not for the government except miss dosing and suicide and murder poisoning. But pure uncut chemicals safer than random stuff you uncertain about. It’s a very obvious negligence for public safety the chemists dump into water supply messes up children I have dedicated my life to getting to end.
It’s the worst thing really what the people do with humans is very wrong burning people alive for getting robbed or losing the cartels coke to police. Even go after your family your lucky if they shoot you they so savage and evil you best just find fentadope before they find you and agree with whatever they want that’s what the government basically does and lies to the public. I’m sure they even stage busts to look good publicly it’s really corrupt stuff get really rich doing unspeakable things. Something should have been done a long time ago it’s really strange understanding everything they claim about weed and psychedelics is lies and being told to conform to lies and then have them get mad at you for lying right back. I wish I could be more honest but people keep saying weed is bad it makes me angry I know they know it’s a lie.
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I understand that the psychologist is an accredited agent of the state and might have to report on someone, eventually. You probably shouldn't tell them much about dissidence, unless you have no filter.
I was once shown, amongst a pile of other toys, anatomically correct versions of Raggedy Anne and Andy dolls, partially undressed. Most of us know the normal rules about that. Some don't.
I dealt with one ex con, hard drug user, severely beaten after a local police chase. Many mental issues in his immediate family. He had problems with comprehending common courtesy and personal space. (Not ironically.)
The psych would hopefully offer advice on the level of a public service announcement, which some rare, criminally-retarded examples of us still need to be told.
Otherwise, the Golden Rule is going to be enough to get you through most moral conflicts.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: durian_2008]
#28121428 - 01/02/23 03:50 PM (1 year, 25 days ago) |
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I wouldn't say they are. At least they did not turn out to be in my case. What I have noticed though are two things: in order for a psychologist to give me a real advice they had to be older than me and I was usually more open with women. I did not like talking to men as they would assume I was being dishonest and tried to reveal how I manipulate the session. I guess I can understand it as probably most of their patients try to hide something. I didn't and women would take it seriously. Men would try to call it bullshit first, which I found annoying. As to all the comments questioning the methods: what made me able to solve my issues was obedience. I was mentally on my last legs therefore desperate. I would treat every suggestion religiously and just do what they asked me to do. For example, I was asked to write a letter to my dead father and read it out loud in front of my therapist. I thought it was the biggest cliche in the world, it's in every movie etc... I did that though. It was 4 pages long and didn't feel like much till I actually had to read it to her. Fuck me... I have never felt so exposed in my life. And I think THIS was the purpose of my exercise. Not to speak about my father but to kind of show myself to me. I'm afraid we all take their advice for granted as it seems childish or plain simple, we don't have time for THIS SHIT, we will not draw a FUCKING FLOWER, who do tney think we are??? Well... we are their patients. When you go to a dentist do you question their choice of treatment? Me neither mate, I sit there and do what I'm told. They fuck it up, tough, move on to the next one but usually they do a good job don't they?
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: Belmondawg]
#28122489 - 01/03/23 11:30 AM (1 year, 25 days ago) |
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Belmondawg said: When you go to a dentist do you question their choice of treatment?
At the risk of sounding flippant, yes.
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Belmondawg said: I did not like talking to men as they would assume I was being dishonest and tried to reveal how I manipulate the session.
You might consider me one of those male personalities, who is trying to decide whether there is an angle or twist.
I personally disagree with the politics of many psychologists, yet, on an all-businesss level of reasoning, there are thousands of case histories with corroborating details.
I might agree or disagree, without putting what is (to me) another body in the room on an emotional pedestal.
I usually never find that I am dealing with a completely irrational person, except I have my own personal sense of priorities.
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I’ve been in the field awhile. If you can’t afford one get on Medicaid . If you don’t like your therapist,get another. They should be professional but sometimes you don’t gel. Thats ok Get a different one. Zoom therapy is easier for most ppl. Some prefer face to face. It works if you speak up when you feel it’s not working & changes can be made. Good luck
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Psychologists, at least good ones are definietlyt not useless because our minds are very predictable once we get a feel for what program the brain is running.
Psychiatry is useless...
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Nikon Addict said: Psychologists, at least good ones are definitely not useless because our minds are very predictable once we get a feel for what program the brain is running.
Psychiatry is useless...
I would like to argue that psychiatry is what is trying to help this many of the societal problems in this world; the issue is that psychiatry is an edge case in many instances. The psychotic patient will cause societal and personal damage, unless of course they are in the woods by themselves; then they are just living their lives. Chlorpromazine is hardly useless.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: Roflspammer] 3
#28141650 - 01/15/23 05:52 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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If you spend some time with the severely mentally ill, you realize very quickly how not useless psychiatrists are
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: feevers]
#28141743 - 01/15/23 06:32 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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feevers said: If you spend some time with the severely mentally ill, you realize very quickly how not useless psychiatrists are
Truest statement Ive read on here.
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Re: Are psychologists useless ? [Re: Roflspammer]
#28142020 - 01/15/23 08:54 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Believe it or not, mental illness isn't caused by an imbalance in brain chemistry nd check this out, that was only a theory. I'm not going to waste any time trying to explain the mechanism because I already have but if you want to learn what actually drives all forms of mental illness, buy the book "Brain Energy" by Dr Christopher M Palmer and then get back to me. In a nutshell, it's poor cellular glucose metabolism and mitochondrial dysfunction and both conditions are caused by inflammation, which makes sense because inflammation is either directly or indirectly involved in disease and the onset of disorders. Don't believe me, by the book...
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