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Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks * 1
    #28141714 - 01/15/23 06:21 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Hello Shroomery community,

Im very new at cultivating, this will actually be my first ever cultivation and was hoping someone would be kind enough to provide me with specific instructions on the easiest and most effective way to cultivate Jack Frost shrooms. I will be using a 10ml syringe and rye grain. Im not sure on the correct quantities of rye to purchase and ml's to use for the amount of rye.

Im willing to pay someone in bitcoin or paypal if you decide to take the time to write down the specific instructions for Jack Frost cultivation.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] * 3
    #28141741 - 01/15/23 06:31 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Don't put spores to grain. PF Tek is easiest and cheapest way.

Go here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] * 2
    #28141751 - 01/15/23 06:33 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Start on agar one drop can be used to streak quite a few plates then isolate clean growth then you can go to grain
Start reading all the info you need is free here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Lucifer944]
    #28141764 - 01/15/23 06:39 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Ok thanks for the reply. What Ive read is that jack frost does best on rye apparently according to https://tripsitter.com/magic-mushrooms/strains/jack-frost/. I appreciate your reply!

https://files.shroomery.org/files/23-002/383305378-Screenshot_2023-01-15_213620.png][/url]


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] * 1
    #28141775 - 01/15/23 06:45 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Grains in general are recommended if you have a pressure cooker/canner but regardless you don't want to put spores directly on grain.

If it is your first grow, PF Tek is recommended because it is easy, cheap, and less prone to problems. You can grow Jack Frost on PF Tek cakes.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] * 1
    #28152893 - 01/22/23 09:25 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

If this is your first time growing at all, I would tell you to avoid doing agar work. Wait until you have 2-3 grows from syringe under your belt - it will save you time and money (also, unless you're growing commercially, you don't need to have tons of plates going all the time).

Preliminary questions:
1. How many bags of sterilized grain do you have?
2. Where do you plan on doing the spawn run in your home?
3. Have you read any teks on Shroomery yet to familiarize yourself with the lifecycle of a mushroom?
4. How many finished grams are you hoping to achieve (dry or wet)?

Preliminary considerations:
1. Trust experienced growers here - the admins/mods in the Cultivation sub forum are very knowledgeable and will help you stay away from bad or dubious information.

2. KEEP IT SIMPLE. Newbies go through a period of granular learning and excitement and tend to overdo it from the jump, and in the end spend way too much money on resources, versus just getting their hands dirty and getting a few grows under their belt.

3. I strongly suggest you follow Bodhisattva's (Bod's) example and teks. To grow cubes, you truly just need your inoculated spawn (the grains) and your substrate (you only need coco coir for cubes - some varieties do better with CVG, but worry about that later). Since Jack Frost is a hybrid of True Albino Teacher and Albino Penis Envy and grows more like a GT phenotype, you will be fine with just using coco coir.

4. I strongly suggest you do a monotub or shoebox grow for your first experience - they're low maintenance, easier to observe the growth cycle, and also easier to harvest from and cleanup afterwards.

5. If you want to draw out the syringe (your spores in the solution will remain viable up to six months as long as you keep them in the fridge), you can divide half of the syringe across however many bags of grain spawn you'll be making.

6. Keep your initial spawn to substrate ratio at 1:1, and then use just pure coco coir to put a thin casing layer of β…› to ΒΌ inch on top of the substrate once you're ready to go.

Finally, I also will be doing a Jack Frost run; I'm waiting on my grains and spores to arrive (both later this month). I'll be more than happy to share with you privately how my grow is going versus yours. You don't have to pay me for my time.

For now, I'm sure you're excited (we all started from the same place you are starting) - I was when I first learned how to grow and preserve these sacred teachers - but don't drown yourself in too much knowledge at this stage. I'd suggest using traditional shoebox totes or up to 32qt monotubs for your first few goes (it'll help you to learn about contams if you encounter them, and if you do a few shoeboxes versus one large tub, you'll be able to salvage the healthy tubs and only have to toss a contaminated one - again, if that happens at all).

Here is Bod's unmodified monotub tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800

If you'd feel more comfortable using shoeboxes, here's Bod's tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25274461

Here's is Bod's substrate tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162

Welcome to the culture club - there is nothing more rewarding than taking your first trip from your own cubes that you nurtured and cared for. :smile:

Peace & Light,

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 2
    #28152909 - 01/22/23 09:35 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I appreciate that you're trying to help but you've got some bad advice mixed into good advice here Seeker.
I don't have the energy right now to split hairs and dive into exactly why what you've posted is wrong.
The gist of it is you should never recommend spores to grain, it's a crapshoot at best.
At worst it results in failed grows and damage-control threads here in mushcult.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Greg] * 1
    #28152930 - 01/22/23 09:51 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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Greg said:
I appreciate that you're trying to help but you've got some bad advice mixed into good advice here Seeker.
I don't have the energy right now to split hairs and dive into exactly why what you've posted is wrong.
The gist of it is you should never recommend spores to grain, it's a crapshoot at best.
At worst it results in failed grows and damage-control threads here in mushcult.




Well since you're not in the mood to provide scientific evidence to support your opinion, I can tell you after 30 years, I've never had an issue with using grains from either a syringe or from agar; I've never had a bag or jar get contaminated using either technique.

I trust Bod's experience and my own. My signature pics speak to my experience using the same teks I suggested above.

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 3
    #28152931 - 01/22/23 09:51 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I can confidently say Bod would not recommend shooting spores into grain.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Greg] * 2
    #28152933 - 01/22/23 09:53 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Like fucking hell it's literally in the top row of his "where to start" flowchart:



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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Greg] * 2
    #28152942 - 01/22/23 10:01 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

True, but it does say not recommended.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Greg] * 1
    #28152943 - 01/22/23 10:02 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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Like fucking hell it's literally in the top row of his "where to start" flowchart:






You're only providing more arguments about why you're right and I'm wrong. You haven't shared any science behind the opinion. If you'd take the time to educate, I'll take the time to listen. With the volume of growers here who, like me, have no issues using grain at all, I'm willing to bet your opinion is a minority/outlier. I'm willing to concede this opinion if you provide actual evidence.

Again, I've never had any problem with grains - for MS or clones off agar.

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 3
    #28152969 - 01/22/23 10:22 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

You made the assertion that agar is unnecessary, the burden of proof is on you.
No, pictures of a single good grow are not proof.

You name dropped Bod.
I cited him saying the opposite in a post literally pinned to the top of this board.

It's really simple:
Lots of opportunistic microorganisms will eagerly grow on sterile grains.
Psilocybe cubensis is outcompeted or at the very least slowed by competition when grown in sterile grain.
Spores aren't harvested in a sterile environment, lots of undesirable microorganisms can get mixed in with them.
Therefore, shooting spores into sterile grain can potentially introduce both cubensis and competitors simultaneously, resulting in shitty grows.

There is no serious literature on this subject regarding cubensis specifically because it is not a commercially important species, but management of disease and maintenance of axenic conditions are critical to mushroom cultivation worldwide.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 2
    #28152972 - 01/22/23 10:22 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Seeker, work with me. Where are mushrooms grown? What do we call the medium around them? What else permeates that medium? What happens when spores are dropped to foil? Does any of that permeating stuff get stuck to spores on the foil?

Aka, mushrooms grow in open air saturated with contamination. Inherently ensuring that spores arent 100% clean and prone to being mixed with contamination. Going spores to grain carries that higher risk of contamination. Sure mushrooms will grow but you have a high chance at contamination which will reduce performance or kill the grow all together.

Show us the science that says spores to grain is fail proof and a guaranteed success or stop demanding 'science' from us for our viewpoints because that is laughably hypocritical. Read the front page of posts and you will see failure after failure from spores to grains.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Greg] * 1
    #28152995 - 01/22/23 10:33 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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You made the assertion that agar is unnecessary, the burden of proof is on you.




And in my opinion for someone doing their very first grow, I still stand by this opinion.

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No, pictures of a single good grow are not proof.


Fair point. But considering I know my growth success rate over these last few decades, I stand behind my opinion.

Quote:

I cited him saying the opposite in a post literally pinned to the top of this board.




He doesn't recommend, doesn't say it won't work.

It's really simple:
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Spores aren't harvested in a sterile environment, lots of undesirable microorganisms can get mixed in with them.



I agree with this if the person making the syringe isn't working in a proper lab - that's why working with professional vendors over hippies in their basements does matter.

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Therefore, shooting spores into sterile grain can potentially introduce both cubensis and competitors simultaneously, resulting in shitty grows.




Correct...it CAN. There are other possibilities that could prevent spores from mating and growing mycelium too, but those are just possibilities, not certainties. (You can't tell me after 30 years I've just been lucky with every jar/bag I've ever used?)

And I will admit up front I told the kid to consider agar after a few grows - I agree it's the only way that you know 100% if your culture is clean before going to spawn. I use grain for spawn all the time for my gourmet spawns, and I've never had any issue of contams overtaking cubensis spores in either premade bags from vendors or jars I PCed at home. The only time I ever had contams show up was using PF Tek when I first started, and that's because I started growing before Shroomery even existed. It's because of this board that I was able to learn how to improve my techniques and methods. I never used a SAB or flowhood when I first started in 99 - and even then I would only lose about 1-2 jars out of 20 to contaminates. Since using either an SAB (and now my hood) I've never had any issues with grains.

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: cooleko]
    #28153001 - 01/22/23 10:41 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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Seeker, work with me. Where are mushrooms grown? What do we call the medium around them? What else permeates that medium? What happens when spores are dropped to foil? Does any of that permeating stuff get stuck to spores on the foil?

Aka, mushrooms grow in open air saturated with contamination. Inherently ensuring that spores arent 100% clean and prone to being mixed with contamination. Going spores to grain carries that higher risk of contamination. Sure mushrooms will grow but you have a high chance at contamination which will reduce performance or kill the grow all together.

Show us the science that says spores to grain is fail proof and a guaranteed success or stop demanding 'science' from us for our viewpoints because that is laughably hypocritical. Read the front page of posts and you will see failure after failure from spores to grains.




I understand the points you are making. If you're using a well established variety with excellent contam resistance, in my experience you don't get any problems with the grain method. I'm not negating the fact that other organisms can get into a syringe - but I've never had a syringe from either a trusted vendor or a syringe I made myself, ever cause problems on grain.

To argue to stop demanding clinical evidence of a process is being hypocritical. I'm not a professional mycologist but would gladly ask one to offer both sides of this debate in clinical terms. I know how to keep things sterile and sanitized. I work with clean methods. I work with Bod's techniques since 2018. I've never lost a single jar or bag of grain. I've always used syringes to start an initial MS grow, and I clone from that population to agar when I want to keep a strain alive. I only grow for my own use; I'm not a dealer and I don't even share my mush with friends. I stand by my opinion based on my experience. PF tek can still get contaminated with BRF...that's the only time in my history of growing that I had issues with molds overtaking mycelium (and once on agar when I used a cheap-ass hood).

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 1
    #28153006 - 01/22/23 10:47 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I echo your sentiment. Most of the syringes I have bought were 100% clean. In 30 or so syringes, I've only seen contam a few times (3-4).

We just get so many posts on almost a daily basis about contaminated grows that started spores to grain that the hive mind hates it.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: cooleko] * 1
    #28153010 - 01/22/23 10:51 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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I echo your sentiment. Most of the syringes I have bought were 100% clean. In 30 or so syringes, I've only seen contam a few times (3-4).

We just get so many posts on almost a daily basis about contaminated grows that started spores to grain that the hive mind hates it.




I understand. The scope of my advice was to help the person avoid as much of the problems as possible. Once cubensis is finally legal (let's hope it's soon), we won't even have to worry about spore syringes at all - we can just use cultures like we do for gourmets.  :smile:

Again, I'm more than happy to acknowledge my own limitations of knowledge, but I have a very good record of working with cubensis directly to grain from both syringe and agar...but of course if I had to choose, I'd always prefer the agar work when I can afford the time and money.

My apologies if I sounded defensive in any of my responses this evening...been dealing with stuff for work that's been distracting me.  :smile:

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: cooleko] * 3
    #28153015 - 01/22/23 10:55 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Most of mine have been reasonably clean but I've had a few that needed help or were straight mold/bacteria.
Point is that by working with agar you're removing a confounding factor which can really hinder cultivation otherwise.
All it takes is one errant bacterium or mold spore in the wrong place to ruin a grow.
Shitty grows can be super confusing to new growers if they think they've done everything right because someone told them it's a good idea to shoot spores into grains.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] * 5
    #28153038 - 01/22/23 11:25 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

The main issue is that in these forums, every single day, someone does spores to grain and loses a tub.  That might be slightly figurative, but it's damn close to the truth.  So it's less about "Does this work for me" and more about "What happens when people do what I'm suggesting".  Usually, they end up on these boards wondering what went wrong and one of us has to deliver the bad news.

Spores to grain costs people bags everyday.  It doesn't mean it doesn't work, or can't be done with higher success rates.  It just means when you give it out as advice to people, very often it doesn't work out for them and it becomes something we have to inform them of a few weeks later.

I'm not popping in to argue, just to inform.  We could debate the percentage of success, but everyday we deal with this.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Excess Taters]
    #28154774 - 01/23/23 11:17 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

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I'm not popping in to argue, just to inform.  We could debate the percentage of success, but everyday we deal with this.




I understand, and don't think of anyone arguing; we're simply debating aspects of the techniques. Two years ago when I re-joined the forum to catch up on modern theory and techniques, it wasn't that big of a contended topic, and again, I'm by no means an expert in mycology. I only have experience in cubensis, king oyster, lion's mane, and pioppino mushrooms as these are the only species I grow for my own use and food.

I'm sorry that my limited experiences on Shroomery caused such a reaction - I was only trying to help the newbie friend understand there are options; especially if the budget is a concern.

I'll refrain from opining in the future in the cultivation forum; I was just happy to see someone else tackling Jack Frost for the first time like I'll be doing.

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 1
    #28154782 - 01/23/23 11:29 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

I don't think there's anything wrong g with your suggestion,  as long as everyone understands the inherent risks involved.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604]
    #28154787 - 01/23/23 11:39 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

Yeah, I'm with DERRAYLD, I got nothing against you, I don't think any of us do.  It's great when someone puts in the effort to try and help people as you have.  I don't want to discourage that at all.  I just wanted to let you know why everyone responded as they did, and why they're not being dicks.  Every group has different experiences, and every individual has different experiences.  Somethings work for many people, somethings only work for a few folk.  You're one of the few guys doing spores to grain right, I'd imagine. 

Either way, at the very least I appreciate your desire and attempt to educate everyone here.  I fully support that, and hope you keep that aspect of yourself and don't just hide it.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


Edited by Excess Taters (01/23/23 11:40 PM)


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Excess Taters] * 1
    #28154789 - 01/23/23 11:42 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

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Either way, at the very least I appreciate your desire and attempt to educate everyone here.  I fully support that, and hope you keep that aspect of yourself and don't just hide it.




Thank you both, I only share when I think it can be useful, but I understand the reaction and why it happened.  :smile:

Thanks for everyone's understanding!

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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604]
    #28154792 - 01/23/23 11:45 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

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    #28154800 - 01/23/23 11:54 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

Looking forward to seeing how the Jack Frost goes, tagging this post :-)


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] * 1
    #28155326 - 01/24/23 10:51 AM (1 year, 3 days ago)

Atb06 -- to your original questions:

1. First, although it's not preferred, I see no reason not to try spores to grain as long as you understand that you've already lost control of a potential contamination vector. The other, equally important, vectors are good sterile technique and obsessively clean grain. You might have a clean syringe but run into trouble with one of the other contamination vectors, and then you can't diagnose any problems you might run into.

2. A lot of new growers try to save time with pre-made jars, "kits" or bags, but then you're taking another risk you can't control. You'll need a pressure cooker to do it yourself. (One of the benefits of PFtek is that you don't need a PC). I highly recommend you get a 23-quart Presto or an Instant Pot (just have to run it longer to compensate for the lower pressure).

3. I've never had a problem using RogerRabbit's rye grain prep: rinse it until the water runs clear, soak overnight, boil for 20 or 30 minutes until the inside is hydrated and then let the surface of the grain get fully dry. RR used gypsum but experience has shown it's not necessary. You'll be fine as long as you understand that a) you're looking for fully-hydrated grains, without too many burst grains, and b) you want the surface to be completely dry before you fill the jars.

4. You fill the jars about 2/3 full with your hydrated but dry grain. You'll need the headroom for the subsequent shake.

5. You'll need a lid that allows a small amount of gas exchange. I drill a 1/4-inch hole in a mason jar lid and use a stick-on synthetic filter disk. There are lots of other teks that work. You can also drill a second hole and use a stick-on self-sealing injection port, although it's easy enough to just crack the jar open in your SAB and squirt a couple drops in.

6. Cover the tops of the jars with foil and pressure cook. I do 2 hours at 15-18 psi just to be safe (longer for bags). Make sure you leave the vent open after water starts boiling for 10-15 minutes to remove all the air. Leave it alone after you turn off the heat and let the jars cool completely before you open the cooker.

7. You didn't say how to plan to grow. I suggest you start with a shoebox. Much less traumatic to lose a shoebox than a tub.

8. I use 1 to 1.5 myco quarts of colonized grain per shoebox. For a myco quart you only need about 2 cups of dry rye berries. (But do more than one jar no matter what in case one doesn't work out for some reason.) You don't need to start with a 50 lb bag from a feed store. 5 lbs will get you started. I'd look for some organic rye berries that would be suitable to grind into flour -- super clean and not too expensive at that scale. 

9. For inoculation, anywhere between a few drops to a 1 cc per myco quart is plenty. More is not better when you're using spores. You can easily do 10 quarts with one syringe.

[Note: Even with spores to grain, I would put a couple drops on a couple agar plates as a control. It's just stupid easy, you'll know if any problems are due to the syringe, and you'll be able to maintain the culture instead of buying another syringe. I buy pre-made agar plates from trusted vendors and have never had a problem. It's not hard to make your own -- just takes a little time.]

10. Don't shake the jars right away. Leave them alone until they are 30% or so colonized and then give them a good shake to spread the mycelium around. You don't shake spores because it makes it harder for them to find spore-mates so they can start to grow mycelium.

11. Your spawn will colonize well between 18C and 24C. Too hot and it'll die and too cold it'll slow way down.  Keep them on a shelf at room temp where they can get some ambient light.

12. Don't use anything less than fully colonized grain to spawn to coir.

That's it for now. Ask more questions and send pictures once you get into it.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Wintergirl] * 1
    #28159876 - 01/27/23 01:41 PM (1 year, 13 hours ago)

I’ve only been growing for a year

My second run of the JF, still has a ways to go



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    #28160734 - 01/28/23 02:44 AM (1 year, 17 minutes ago)

Love the look of these, definitely try grow them some day!
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    #28161308 - 01/28/23 12:33 PM (11 months, 23 days ago)

Picked a couple and they are super dark blue almost gray



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    #28192563 - 02/18/23 05:42 AM (11 months, 2 days ago)

They even look great dried, how potent were they? :-)


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    #28249889 - 03/27/23 07:46 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

I don't see JF prints or syringes on any trusted vendor site. I also wanted to have a go at these :frown:


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    #28249893 - 03/27/23 07:48 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

A handful more posts and a couple months, you can see the marketplace. I'm sure someone there will send you a print or swab!


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    #28249903 - 03/27/23 07:54 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

Oh hell yeah!! Thanks, I'll try to be patient. Got some things going in the meantime :smile:


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    #28250206 - 03/27/23 10:57 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

was looking for a varitey of something hard to find the other day and saw JF, swore it was a vendor for the site, but may be wrong.  Ill DM you if I remember it.


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    #28266597 - 04/07/23 09:23 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)

crazy potent, .5 was like 1.5 and strong visuals


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    #28266601 - 04/07/23 09:24 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)



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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: nutcracker_yeti]
    #28268549 - 04/08/23 11:32 AM (9 months, 15 days ago)

Hello, its been four days since I mixed spawn with substrate. Im wondering if this bag is ready for fruiting conditions or if I should wait a few more days? Its been a total of 28 days since I first inoculated the grain.

Im also wondering if I should finish the grow in the bag or if its better to transfer to a 12qt shoe box for fruiting?


These pics are from moments ago, I would appreciate good advice.











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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06]
    #28268593 - 04/08/23 12:31 PM (9 months, 15 days ago)

These are for sure my next project.

Thanks for this thread. There’s so much good info! Definitely taking notes!


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    #28268648 - 04/08/23 01:16 PM (9 months, 15 days ago)

U could put that into fruiting for sure

I’ve fruited in the bag

Also I’ve Removed the bag and put the colonized block in a tub with a humidifier next to it and had great results

And I’ve taken a small/medium sized tub and put a layer of substrate then broke up the colonized all in one bags and put that on top of the layer of substrate than added a bit more substrate on top and had great results all three ways

Look at my pics


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    #28268650 - 04/08/23 01:18 PM (9 months, 15 days ago)

Out of the bag

This is yeti or JF, can’t remember, hell it may be nutcracker



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    #28268653 - 04/08/23 01:19 PM (9 months, 15 days ago)

The fatter from the cluster you see in my last reply



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    #28292199 - 04/23/23 09:47 PM (9 months, 6 hours ago)

Nice!


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    #28411236 - 07/28/23 04:50 AM (5 months, 28 days ago)

I have 3-4 grows under my belt since this spring.

excuse my Uncle Bens trials... it is very alluring to a n00b
6 UB bags with cube B+ syringe (1 bag with trich, 5 fine)
2 PF tek rice flour jars (from online kit) with B+ syringe (textbook perfect)
1 twist tek instant rice with tidal wave syringe (perfect)
1 twist tek instant rice with tidal wave agar (first ever agar, perfect)
3 BOD easy AF oat jars with tidal wave syringe (no colonoization after 3 weeks)  fail
1 BOD  Oat jar with agar (90% colonized after 3 weeks)
4 BOD Oat jars with Liquid culture jack frost (40% colonized after 2 weeks)

so my experience with spore syringe and grains is 3 out of 3 no colony.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: ApeDork]
    #28411242 - 07/28/23 05:03 AM (5 months, 28 days ago)

Quote:

ApeDork said:
I have 3-4 grows under my belt since this spring.

excuse my Uncle Bens trials... it is very alluring to a n00b
6 UB bags with cube B+ syringe (1 bag with trich, 5 fine)
2 PF tek rice flour jars (from online kit) with B+ syringe (textbook perfect)
1 twist tek instant rice with tidal wave syringe (perfect)
1 twist tek instant rice with tidal wave agar (first ever agar, perfect)
3 BOD easy AF oat jars with tidal wave syringe (no colonoization after 3 weeks)  fail
1 BOD  Oat jar with agar (90% colonized after 3 weeks)
4 BOD Oat jars with Liquid culture jack frost (40% colonized after 2 weeks)

so my experience with spore syringe and grains is 3 out of 3 no colony.



Is this a question or are you just telling us MSS to grain is a bad idea?


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28411263 - 07/28/23 05:42 AM (5 months, 28 days ago)

Sorry late to the discussion.

Just my tiny IRL experience spores to whole grain did not work for me.
I think there is too much open space for two random spores in a droplet of moisture to migrate to one another using brownnian motion.

I think the tight packed conditions of a PF tek rice flour or even UB tek has less void space and is more conducive to MSS colonization.


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    #28411264 - 07/28/23 05:43 AM (5 months, 28 days ago)

Quote:

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Just my tiny IRL experience spores to whole grain did not work for me.
I think there is too much open space for two random spores in a droplet of moisture to migrate to one another using brownnian motion.

I think the tight packed conditions of a PF tek rice flour or even UB tek has less void space and is more conducive to MSS colonization.



Yep, that's why spore to grain isn't really recommended here anymore. Maybe a decade ago


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    #28411268 - 07/28/23 05:46 AM (5 months, 28 days ago)

:whathesaid:

Yeh we used to do lots of spore to grain but in general it's not recommended and suggesting it would ultimately be detrimental to the development of this sites shared knowledge.


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    #28598450 - 12/26/23 10:18 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I have always used grains and that's the only way I grow other ways I have suffered from contamination. Lost allot of money messing around using other ways to grow. I continue to use grains because it's what works for me.

I use an all in one grow bag then once colonization is fully present I empty it into a tub. It's worked every time.

I also will be doing Jack Frost for the first time. Should arrive in the mail today! Good luck!!

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    #28598484 - 12/26/23 10:49 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Quote:

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I have always used grains and that's the only way I grow other ways I have suffered from contamination. Lost allot of money messing around using other ways to grow. I continue to use grains because it's what works for me.

I use an all in one grow bag then once colonization is fully present I empty it into a tub. It's worked every time.

I also will be doing Jack Frost for the first time. Should arrive in the mail today! Good luck!!

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