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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Excess Taters]
#28154774 - 01/23/23 11:17 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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I'm not popping in to argue, just to inform. We could debate the percentage of success, but everyday we deal with this.
I understand, and don't think of anyone arguing; we're simply debating aspects of the techniques. Two years ago when I re-joined the forum to catch up on modern theory and techniques, it wasn't that big of a contended topic, and again, I'm by no means an expert in mycology. I only have experience in cubensis, king oyster, lion's mane, and pioppino mushrooms as these are the only species I grow for my own use and food.
I'm sorry that my limited experiences on Shroomery caused such a reaction - I was only trying to help the newbie friend understand there are options; especially if the budget is a concern.
I'll refrain from opining in the future in the cultivation forum; I was just happy to see someone else tackling Jack Frost for the first time like I'll be doing.
Peace & Light,
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] 1
#28154782 - 01/23/23 11:29 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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I don't think there's anything wrong g with your suggestion, as long as everyone understands the inherent risks involved.
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604]
#28154787 - 01/23/23 11:39 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah, I'm with DERRAYLD, I got nothing against you, I don't think any of us do. It's great when someone puts in the effort to try and help people as you have. I don't want to discourage that at all. I just wanted to let you know why everyone responded as they did, and why they're not being dicks. Every group has different experiences, and every individual has different experiences. Somethings work for many people, somethings only work for a few folk. You're one of the few guys doing spores to grain right, I'd imagine.
Either way, at the very least I appreciate your desire and attempt to educate everyone here. I fully support that, and hope you keep that aspect of yourself and don't just hide it.
-------------------- If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start. First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs. Agar is easy, just do it. Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide Growing APE or PE? P9 pseudo casing tek
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Excess Taters] 1
#28154789 - 01/23/23 11:42 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Excess Taters said: Either way, at the very least I appreciate your desire and attempt to educate everyone here. I fully support that, and hope you keep that aspect of yourself and don't just hide it.
Thank you both, I only share when I think it can be useful, but I understand the reaction and why it happened. 
Thanks for everyone's understanding!
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604]
#28154792 - 01/23/23 11:45 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28154800 - 01/23/23 11:54 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Looking forward to seeing how the Jack Frost goes, tagging this post :-)
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] 1
#28155326 - 01/24/23 10:51 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Atb06 -- to your original questions:
1. First, although it's not preferred, I see no reason not to try spores to grain as long as you understand that you've already lost control of a potential contamination vector. The other, equally important, vectors are good sterile technique and obsessively clean grain. You might have a clean syringe but run into trouble with one of the other contamination vectors, and then you can't diagnose any problems you might run into.
2. A lot of new growers try to save time with pre-made jars, "kits" or bags, but then you're taking another risk you can't control. You'll need a pressure cooker to do it yourself. (One of the benefits of PFtek is that you don't need a PC). I highly recommend you get a 23-quart Presto or an Instant Pot (just have to run it longer to compensate for the lower pressure).
3. I've never had a problem using RogerRabbit's rye grain prep: rinse it until the water runs clear, soak overnight, boil for 20 or 30 minutes until the inside is hydrated and then let the surface of the grain get fully dry. RR used gypsum but experience has shown it's not necessary. You'll be fine as long as you understand that a) you're looking for fully-hydrated grains, without too many burst grains, and b) you want the surface to be completely dry before you fill the jars.
4. You fill the jars about 2/3 full with your hydrated but dry grain. You'll need the headroom for the subsequent shake.
5. You'll need a lid that allows a small amount of gas exchange. I drill a 1/4-inch hole in a mason jar lid and use a stick-on synthetic filter disk. There are lots of other teks that work. You can also drill a second hole and use a stick-on self-sealing injection port, although it's easy enough to just crack the jar open in your SAB and squirt a couple drops in.
6. Cover the tops of the jars with foil and pressure cook. I do 2 hours at 15-18 psi just to be safe (longer for bags). Make sure you leave the vent open after water starts boiling for 10-15 minutes to remove all the air. Leave it alone after you turn off the heat and let the jars cool completely before you open the cooker.
7. You didn't say how to plan to grow. I suggest you start with a shoebox. Much less traumatic to lose a shoebox than a tub.
8. I use 1 to 1.5 myco quarts of colonized grain per shoebox. For a myco quart you only need about 2 cups of dry rye berries. (But do more than one jar no matter what in case one doesn't work out for some reason.) You don't need to start with a 50 lb bag from a feed store. 5 lbs will get you started. I'd look for some organic rye berries that would be suitable to grind into flour -- super clean and not too expensive at that scale.
9. For inoculation, anywhere between a few drops to a 1 cc per myco quart is plenty. More is not better when you're using spores. You can easily do 10 quarts with one syringe.
[Note: Even with spores to grain, I would put a couple drops on a couple agar plates as a control. It's just stupid easy, you'll know if any problems are due to the syringe, and you'll be able to maintain the culture instead of buying another syringe. I buy pre-made agar plates from trusted vendors and have never had a problem. It's not hard to make your own -- just takes a little time.]
10. Don't shake the jars right away. Leave them alone until they are 30% or so colonized and then give them a good shake to spread the mycelium around. You don't shake spores because it makes it harder for them to find spore-mates so they can start to grow mycelium.
11. Your spawn will colonize well between 18C and 24C. Too hot and it'll die and too cold it'll slow way down. Keep them on a shelf at room temp where they can get some ambient light.
12. Don't use anything less than fully colonized grain to spawn to coir.
That's it for now. Ask more questions and send pictures once you get into it.
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Wintergirl] 1
#28159876 - 01/27/23 01:41 PM (1 year, 13 hours ago) |
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I’ve only been growing for a year
My second run of the JF, still has a ways to go
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: nutcracker_yeti] 1
#28160734 - 01/28/23 02:44 AM (1 year, 17 minutes ago) |
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Love the look of these, definitely try grow them some day! C3
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Cub3d] 2
#28161308 - 01/28/23 12:33 PM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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Picked a couple and they are super dark blue almost gray
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: nutcracker_yeti] 1
#28192563 - 02/18/23 05:42 AM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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They even look great dried, how potent were they? :-)
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06] 1
#28249889 - 03/27/23 07:46 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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I don't see JF prints or syringes on any trusted vendor site. I also wanted to have a go at these
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28249893 - 03/27/23 07:48 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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A handful more posts and a couple months, you can see the marketplace. I'm sure someone there will send you a print or swab!
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: dowodenum] 1
#28249903 - 03/27/23 07:54 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Oh hell yeah!! Thanks, I'll try to be patient. Got some things going in the meantime
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28250206 - 03/27/23 10:57 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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was looking for a varitey of something hard to find the other day and saw JF, swore it was a vendor for the site, but may be wrong. Ill DM you if I remember it.
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Cub3d] 2
#28266597 - 04/07/23 09:23 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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crazy potent, .5 was like 1.5 and strong visuals
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28266601 - 04/07/23 09:24 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: nutcracker_yeti]
#28268549 - 04/08/23 11:32 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Hello, its been four days since I mixed spawn with substrate. Im wondering if this bag is ready for fruiting conditions or if I should wait a few more days? Its been a total of 28 days since I first inoculated the grain.
Im also wondering if I should finish the grow in the bag or if its better to transfer to a 12qt shoe box for fruiting?
These pics are from moments ago, I would appreciate good advice.







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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06]
#28268593 - 04/08/23 12:31 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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These are for sure my next project.
Thanks for this thread. There’s so much good info! Definitely taking notes!
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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Atb06]
#28268648 - 04/08/23 01:16 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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U could put that into fruiting for sure
I’ve fruited in the bag
Also I’ve Removed the bag and put the colonized block in a tub with a humidifier next to it and had great results
And I’ve taken a small/medium sized tub and put a layer of substrate then broke up the colonized all in one bags and put that on top of the layer of substrate than added a bit more substrate on top and had great results all three ways
Look at my pics
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