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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 2
    #28152909 - 01/22/23 09:35 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I appreciate that you're trying to help but you've got some bad advice mixed into good advice here Seeker.
I don't have the energy right now to split hairs and dive into exactly why what you've posted is wrong.
The gist of it is you should never recommend spores to grain, it's a crapshoot at best.
At worst it results in failed grows and damage-control threads here in mushcult.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 3
    #28152931 - 01/22/23 09:51 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I can confidently say Bod would not recommend shooting spores into grain.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Greg] * 2
    #28152933 - 01/22/23 09:53 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Like fucking hell it's literally in the top row of his "where to start" flowchart:



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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: Seeker604] * 3
    #28152969 - 01/22/23 10:22 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

You made the assertion that agar is unnecessary, the burden of proof is on you.
No, pictures of a single good grow are not proof.

You name dropped Bod.
I cited him saying the opposite in a post literally pinned to the top of this board.

It's really simple:
Lots of opportunistic microorganisms will eagerly grow on sterile grains.
Psilocybe cubensis is outcompeted or at the very least slowed by competition when grown in sterile grain.
Spores aren't harvested in a sterile environment, lots of undesirable microorganisms can get mixed in with them.
Therefore, shooting spores into sterile grain can potentially introduce both cubensis and competitors simultaneously, resulting in shitty grows.

There is no serious literature on this subject regarding cubensis specifically because it is not a commercially important species, but management of disease and maintenance of axenic conditions are critical to mushroom cultivation worldwide.


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Re: Jack Frost Cultivation Instructions / Tips & Tricks [Re: cooleko] * 3
    #28153015 - 01/22/23 10:55 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Most of mine have been reasonably clean but I've had a few that needed help or were straight mold/bacteria.
Point is that by working with agar you're removing a confounding factor which can really hinder cultivation otherwise.
All it takes is one errant bacterium or mold spore in the wrong place to ruin a grow.
Shitty grows can be super confusing to new growers if they think they've done everything right because someone told them it's a good idea to shoot spores into grains.


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