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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131575 - 01/08/23 10:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

We can now make stems cells from human fat.

I’m not morally posturing it’s just cool as fuck.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131576 - 01/08/23 10:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

the last and most important thing i want to say is im not claiming to have a superior opinion. you can feel what you want to feel and beleive what you want to believe. i advocate for choice, since that is what separates us from wild animals. free will.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28131577 - 01/08/23 10:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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We can now make stems cells from human fat.

I’m not morally posturing it’s just cool as fuck.




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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131580 - 01/08/23 11:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yeah I’m trying to talk about this without actually voicing an opinion or take a side morally. I do have an opinion, but everyone has an opinion on this issue and I’m not sure opinions are explicitly valuable.

I guess my closing thought is that having access to abortion is probably better than not having access, but we should strive to have zero abortions a year anyway.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131581 - 01/08/23 11:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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I guess my closing thought is that having access to abortion is probably better than not having access, but we should strive to have zero abortions a year anyway.




i dont see how decreasing abortion rates will improve overall life on earth, sorry.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131582 - 01/08/23 11:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

You don’t see how a society that doesn’t have need for abortion would be preferable?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131583 - 01/08/23 11:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

what if the afterlife is way better and we are jerks for trying to prevent death? joking of course, but who knows?

by religious standards, a human has the potential to sin and reject god. a fetus does not. they should go straight to heaven, right?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131584 - 01/08/23 11:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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You don’t see how a society that doesn’t have need for abortion would be preferable?




abortion to me is just a medical procedure like removing a tooth. we developed higher survival rates when we learned how to extract teeth


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131586 - 01/08/23 11:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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You don’t see how a society that doesn’t have need for abortion would be preferable?




abortion to me is just a medical procedure like removing a tooth. we developed higher survival rates when we learned how to extract teeth



Remove morality from the equation. Let’s say we all unanimously agree that fetuses up until birth are just cells and it is morally acceptable to terminate pregnancy.

Isn’t it better to not have to have abortions than it is to have to have them sometimes? Just from a medical standpoint, wouldn’t it be better to reach a point where they’re not necessary?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28131589 - 01/08/23 11:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

i dont see any reason for abortion to be demonized. its just science bro


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131592 - 01/08/23 11:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I’ll be real that do be sounding like a reluctant yes.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131595 - 01/08/23 11:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I’m literally not trying to trap you or anything. Something can still be beneficial and not desirable at the same time. Surgery for cancer is very beneficial, but if we never had to remove cancer in the first place that would be a huge step forward.

You can simultaneously hold the stance that abortion is a net positive and something we should strive to eliminate the need for without betraying your beliefs.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131600 - 01/08/23 11:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

sure that sound good, but striving to eliminate the need for abortion is not even on my radar


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131602 - 01/08/23 11:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

That’s fine, it doesn’t have to be. My radar is narrowed to myself, my friends, and my family. Im just trying to do my best by them and live the other parts of my life in a way that aren’t actively harmful. My hope is to be able to be actively helpful one day.

Im just trying not to put myself and my partner in a position where an abortion might be necessary. I am not in control of anyone else’s behavior, nor do I want to be.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131604 - 01/08/23 11:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

wanting to have sex is not the same as wanting a baby. if you don't want a baby then you shouldnt be forced to have one


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131607 - 01/08/23 11:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I don’t find those statements disagreeable, no.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131695 - 01/09/23 04:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yaks are the shit. Prove me wrong.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131713 - 01/09/23 04:49 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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wanting to have sex is not the same as wanting a baby. if you don't want a baby then you shouldnt be forced to have one



How is it forced when you take actions that result in a baby? Sounds more like accountability to me.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #28131735 - 01/09/23 05:33 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher]
    #28131755 - 01/09/23 06:08 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I think this convo got sidetracked into a theoretical abortion morality debate again.

The whole point of mentioning abortion several pages ago was not to prove or disprove the moral status of the act of abortion, but to see if Enkidu was actually applying his idea of conservatism and small government to all cases, including the very real and relevant topics of abortion and gender identity.

You can refer to my previous post regarding the debate over personhood, and how the vast majority (I would argue the entirety, I have yet to see anything that contradicts this statement) of pro-lifers that argue for personhood at conception do not have a grasp on the implications of their assertion, and by living their lives as they do presents a philosophically inconsistent set of beliefs, which is irrational by definition and therefore not fit to be proposed as law over a society. In that sense, a law banning all abortions for everyone in all stages is morally and intellectually equivalent to a law requiring that adulterers be killed, or that a woman not covering her face in public be subject to fines or jail time. Laws outlawing a late stage abortion in all forms seeks to pit the real and fully developed personhood of the mother against the potential personhood of the child IF it survives the pregnancy and birth.

As to the absolute morality of anything, abortion is still a very gray topic. In the case where full abortion ban legislation cannot be based in a rational and morally superior argument, you are simply be given the CHOICE to decide for yourself if you irrationally think that abortion directly after conception is murder, and make the CHOICE to live your life according to that potentially irrational moral decision. Basically, as enkidu said a while back, live your life to your moral standards within the law of the society, but you made a choice to love your life a certain way where laws cannot be rationally made for all, it is wrong to then make that decision for all others in that society and force them to live according to your beliefs.

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