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Invisiblesplit_by_nine
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us versus them
    #28130737 - 01/08/23 01:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

who are the enemy? and why?


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Re: us versus them [Re: split_by_nine] * 2
    #28130772 - 01/08/23 01:18 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Capitalists; they exploit us for their personal gain, destroying society, the economy, and the planet.


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Re: us versus them [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28130850 - 01/08/23 02:25 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

police state communists. They deny us of are abilities to create, invent and better society.


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What kind of sickness do they have for wanting the creative not creative. I can only imagine it's satanism

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Re: us versus them [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28130862 - 01/08/23 02:42 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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split_by_nine said:
who are the enemy? and why?




Imo the answer is always human nature, and because we're humans.


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Re: us versus them [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28130879 - 01/08/23 02:58 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Capitalists; they exploit us for their personal gain, destroying society, the economy, and the planet.



I'm pretty sure everyone exploits people and the planet for their personal gain, though.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Enlil]
    #28130908 - 01/08/23 03:18 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I  exploit things, there is even a chance it can make things directly or indirectly better.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Enlil]
    #28130935 - 01/08/23 03:37 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Capitalists; they exploit us for their personal gain, destroying society, the economy, and the planet.



I'm pretty sure everyone exploits people and the planet for their personal gain, though.




Well none of us exist outside of capitalism, so yeah.

I can choose to not exploit anyone by dying alone in the woods.


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Re: us versus them [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28130943 - 01/08/23 03:44 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

But as you decompose, those critters are gonna exploit you.

Do you have an instance, say, outside of the capitalism bubble...in which something would not be exploited?


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Re: us versus them [Re: split_by_nine] * 2
    #28131609 - 01/09/23 12:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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split_by_nine said:
who are the enemy? and why?



I blame the ones in power at the top that keep secrets from the masses.

Of course i dont know what secrets nor can i name names or provide court approved documentation of this but i know its going on.

Secrets suck.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Enlil]
    #28131876 - 01/09/23 08:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Capitalists; they exploit us for their personal gain, destroying society, the economy, and the planet.



I'm pretty sure everyone exploits people and the planet for their personal gain, though.




That doesn't mean we should make an institution of it.  Everyone shits and farts but we don't center our society on shitting and farting.


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Re: us versus them [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28131892 - 01/09/23 08:44 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Not centered on, but we do build infrastructure to support human waste. I shit but it's not the center of my world. All of the things we build reflect human nature in relation to available means tho IMO

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Re: us versus them [Re: Kickle]
    #28131956 - 01/09/23 09:54 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I look at my shots every day to make sure everything is running healthy like so shit actually might be a focal point of my life.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28132009 - 01/09/23 10:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

:lol:
Good shit, seems healthy


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Re: us versus them [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28132087 - 01/09/23 11:24 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I chose to have no enemies.

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Re: us versus them [Re: Kickle]
    #28132088 - 01/09/23 11:27 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Good shit, seems healthy




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Re: us versus them [Re: Enlil]
    #28133442 - 01/10/23 10:26 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Capitalists; they exploit us for their personal gain, destroying society, the economy, and the planet.



I'm pretty sure everyone exploits people and the planet for their personal gain, though.



Especially in the government.


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Re: us versus them [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #28135474 - 01/11/23 02:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Capitalists; they exploit us for their personal gain, destroying society, the economy, and the planet.



I'm pretty sure everyone exploits people and the planet for their personal gain, though.




That doesn't mean we should make an institution of it.  Everyone shits and farts but we don't center our society on shitting and farting.



Can you offer an alternative?  As far as I can tell, the only way that societies can work on a large scale is with specialization of labor.  As long as there's specialization of labor, there's exploitation. 

If you disagree, please offer a paradigm for specialization of labor that includes no exploitation of another's work and skills for ones own gain.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Enlil]
    #28135548 - 01/11/23 03:55 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Love trust honor humility empathy accountability morals quality over quantity knowledge and understanding, a goal of doing what works for somthing other than money power or self image.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Anahata] * 1
    #28135573 - 01/11/23 04:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Oh, so you're assuming a species other than humans.


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Re: us versus them [Re: Enlil]
    #28135651 - 01/11/23 05:05 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I'm not arguing for a magical utopia where everyone is altruistic at all times so I don't see any need to defend that position.  I'm pretty sure I agreed with your position that everyone exploits everyone to some degree or another.  My argument is one in favor of moderation and mitigation.  I think it is reasonable to believe there is a desirable  middle ground between elevating unbridled greed to the highest possible virtue and living as hunter-gatherers


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