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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28128369 - 01/06/23 09:48 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting perspective. I like it. I am thinking about it.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28128409 - 01/06/23 10:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Edit: I’m still not sure why you keep mentioning “real Christians.” That’s neither the topic of discussion nor something I’ve said.
You responded to a post from trees claiming that you're not being a real Christian unless you follow all of the violent rules or hateful rules in both testaments of the Bible. You indicated that he was mistaken.
You also claimed that Mormons aren't Christian, again trying to make a distinction between true Christians and non Christians.
You also asked earlier about how many of the people posting here were actually Christian, and commented on the number of misconceptions regarding Christianity. This indicates a belief that there is a judgement to be made about whether self-identifying Christians are actually Christian (the misconceptions regarding hypocritical or morally questionable christians from tree's post) and also suggesting that only true Christians have the knowledge to know what Christianity is actually like.
It is a typical go-to of Christians to just toss out adherence to parts of the Bible they don't agree with, interpretations of the Bible they don't agree with, or historical beliefs of Christianity that they don't want tied to their religion. It's fine to do that, and it actually lines up with the general history and nature of Christianity...but you need to realize that this personalized, internal relationship with your God means that everything about the broader religious movement (Christianity) is subjective, and so your statements regarding the factual or objective truth about Christianity, who is scoped into it, and what is required to be considered a true Christian that will be admitted into the kingdom of heaven...isn't really based in anything that can be confirmed true. This was the whole point I was getting at when I first responded to you in this thread.
Not trying to disprove the religion or your ability to have a unique interpretation of thay religion, just trying to point out the complete inability to judge tree's comments as objectively false with any confidence. It might be untrue for you, but it's very true for others.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28128423 - 01/06/23 10:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I’ll be honest it feels like you read my initial refutations and made some assumptions about how I probably think that aren’t accurate.
Trees was objectively wrong. A subjective interpretation of your faith doesn’t negate the fact that he doesn’t understand repentance or basic Christian concepts.
I asked how many people here were Christian out of a statistical curiosity, nothing more.
I have explained the statements I was challenged on as best I was able and have given quite a bit more than the scope of the discussion. I think I’ll politely end it here
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Smellyhobbit said: Of course. Absolutely. I said there were evil Christians and wonderful atheists. Being Christian should mean something very specific on its own, but for many people it’s just a word.
But to be a real Christian you have to kill the sinning homosexuals and non belivers, or else youre in violation of the Bible. Thats why its stupid to be Christian because if you adhear to modern laws and customs, then youre going to hell, not heaven, you are in violation of your own religion. So why continue with that BS?
All those verses you listed were from the old testament. That shit's law for ancient Jews. Jesus marked the end of weird legal requirements. Now a christian has direct access to god. No need to go through a priest or make animal sacrifice anymore. Christians that use the old testament verses to justify their position are larping as old jews. New testament contains instructions for christians. People like to cherry pick. Also not all christians fuck children. Those seem to be Catholics mostly. There are like 40000 different denominations. Trees, all your comments seem to be about catholicism
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28128426 - 01/06/23 10:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That does go a way to saying things a lot more clearly than I did, I’ll admit
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28128449 - 01/06/23 10:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: I’ll be honest it feels like you read my initial refutations and made some assumptions about how I probably think that aren’t accurate.
Trees was objectively wrong. A subjective interpretation of your faith doesn’t negate the fact that he doesn’t understand repentance or basic Christian concepts.
I asked how many people here were Christian out of a statistical curiosity, nothing more.
I have explained the statements I was challenged on as best I was able and have given quite a bit more than the scope of the discussion. I think I’ll politely end it here
Fair enough,
I do not share your opinion that tree's idea of repentance and basic tenants of Christianity are objectively false, because I don't think you are fully aware of the full umbrella of Christian beliefs and interpretations to make that call of objective falsehood. I feel like I provided plenty of examples highlighting the fact that what you believe to be christianity and not is not universally shared amongst all people who self-ID as christian.
Other than that, my apologies on the assumptions and subsequent misinterpretation of your posts. I hope this exchange wasn't interpreted as aggressive or confrontational. Again, I'm not trying to challenge your faith, I respect everyone's right to have their own spiritual experience as long as they aren't trying to push it onto everyone else.
Have a nice night! 
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 2
#28128456 - 01/06/23 10:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Absolutely no apologies required, I assure you. As of this closing post I actually understand your position a lot more and find more agreement in it than I thought I had.
I did my best to expose myself to as many denominations as I could, but to be honest I bet the region in which all the churches were located was more important than the denomination.
My faith didn’t feel challenged, not that I would have been offended, and I hope it didn’t feel like I was evangelizing nat any point.
It was good conversation on this end. No bruised feelings.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28128479 - 01/06/23 10:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Was a great conversation.
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Smellyhobbit said: Oh I’m driving home. I wanted to have the conversation earlier, but I had to drive back to Austin. At a truck stop now for cough drops. Got a bad chest cold the same day I got my wisdom teeth pulled lol. My luck lately.
If anyone actually wants to talk about it I’d be happy to. Just gotta get home.
Pretty interesting that any time religion is brought up it immediately turns into a talk about Christianity though, isn’t it? I wasn’t even talking about Christianity. It was religion in a broad sense.
If you think Christianity is violent and preaches the murder of women and gay people and that you can just say a magic spell after a lifetime of sin right before death to get into heaven…. you inarguably aren’t talking about Christianity.
It’ll be a long talk. I’ll have it if anyone wants to.
Fair enough, and yea not trying to have a heated argument, just confused by the comments, given what I know about the broader religion that is Christianity.
I think the reason it always goes to Christianity is because that religion has been used to justify and motivate colonization of most of the modern world from its origin as an apocalyptic branch of Judaism. It is the religion that is most common in the western world (so people are more likely to run into a judgy "christian" or one of those loud fire-and-brimstone preachers on a college campus telling a woman wearing pants or with short hair that they are doomed to eternal hellfire), and was the religion associated with many dark times in history (including the popularization of the Nazi movement in Germany during the Holocaust, using a bastardized version of Christianity).
Furthermore, modern day Christians just saying "those weren't true christians, true christians would never do that" with their primary religious text containing scripture used to justify the atrocities committed in the past, and 1000s of years of interpretation resulting in a stark lack of consensus on the interpretation framework that would solidly exclude those older writings from all modern interpretations, well it really doesn't strike a lot of confidence in most non-christian people. This is particularly evident in the US, where Christianity is being consistently over-represented in the halls of congress and at all levels of government, and there has been a strong push from more radical members of this christian group in government to codify and force onto everyone the rules of the bible and whatever denomination of Christianity those members are adhering to. To reference back to the bad apple analogy, people acting under the term "Christianity" have exhibited 1000+ years of bad apples, with mostly lackadaisical accountability, that have destroyed countries, cultures, and countless lives and inflicted pain and suffering on countless others, and it just doesn't look all that great from the outsider's perspective, regardless of you and your church's specific and current intent under that same banner. 
I'm not taking sides, but it is worth noting that the secular world doesn't do much better. The USA is a secular state run by secular agents. The US has bombed the shit out of other secular nations and killed religious and non-religious people alike. Israel is a secular nation that commits atrocities over border disputes. Communism and capitalism are secular ideologies, responsible for much death and suffering, not to mention the ruin of our ecosystem. Greedy, stupid, and corrupt humans will implement badly, whatever system they are involved with.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenericHero]
#28128667 - 01/07/23 12:36 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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We may as well just give up then?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: pineninja]
#28128746 - 01/07/23 02:06 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Probably. I have a slim hope that mushrooms will become commonplace and humanity will come to its senses. But then I think of the variety of political ideologies that exist on this site. My hope is unrealistic.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenericHero] 2
#28129396 - 01/07/23 02:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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They passed away this morning. I'm ok as it's not my first rodeo and they weren't the very closest in my life but it is still sad. Hope you are all doing well.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28129404 - 01/07/23 02:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: They passed away this morning. I'm ok as it's not my first rodeo and they weren't the very closest in my life but it is still sad. Hope you are all doing well.
I’m sorry to hear that. I’m glad you got to speak to them. I hope you & your family find peace. Definitely not an easy time.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenericHero]
#28129522 - 01/07/23 04:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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GenericHero said: Probably. I have a slim hope that mushrooms will become commonplace and humanity will come to its senses. But then I think of the variety of political ideologies that exist on this site. My hope is unrealistic.
Before mushrooms were made illegal was the world a better place? People need to realize that psychedelics don't really do what they think they do. Most of the beautiful things outside of the visual aspect that people appreciate are their reactions to an odd situation not a drug making them do or say anything. You can't make someone decent and introspective by giving them mushrooms if you can't even guarantee it won't make them worse. If you love mushrooms, realize this is self love. Not drug love. Y'all lost little boys I swear
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I'm with larry....poor little lost soyboys(my new band name)
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28129541 - 01/07/23 04:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'm jk obviously about the soyboy part but agree about the mushroom part.....but the band name would still be unique
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Edited by spirit_shadow (01/07/23 04:58 PM)
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GenericHero said: Probably. I have a slim hope that mushrooms will become commonplace and humanity will come to its senses. But then I think of the variety of political ideologies that exist on this site. My hope is unrealistic.
Before mushrooms were made illegal was the world a better place? People need to realize that psychedelics don't really do what they think they do. Most of the beautiful things outside of the visual aspect that people appreciate are their reactions to an odd situation not a drug making them do or say anything. You can't make someone decent and introspective by giving them mushrooms if you can't even guarantee it won't make them worse. If you love mushrooms, realize this is self love. Not drug love. Y'all lost little boys I swear
Mushrooms can't make you introspective or a decent human..?
I'd say I'm a decent human but they've made me better and extremely introspective
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu] 2
#28129555 - 01/07/23 05:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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selflessness and empathy are what make you a better person. drugs may teach you these tools but its up to you to use them
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28129712 - 01/07/23 06:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Mushrooms certainly made me a better person, without question.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28129743 - 01/07/23 07:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: They passed away this morning. I'm ok as it's not my first rodeo and they weren't the very closest in my life but it is still sad. Hope you are all doing well.
Hang in there bud.
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