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Smellyhobbit
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28127578 - 01/06/23 03:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I’m here all the time lmao.
Bro I’ll talk to you when I’m not on the highway. Get some interesting questions ready. I like you, trees. I hope is not seeing eye to eye on this one very irrelevant topic doesn’t sour you on me.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Excess Taters]
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Edited by tyrannicalrex (01/06/23 03:30 PM)
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28127583 - 01/06/23 03:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: I’m curious how many users here are Christian. Not a lot of you seem to know much about it, respectfully.
I’m not interested in preaching or converting anyone. I’m just fascinated by the misconceptions.
Born, baptized and raised Lutheran. Raised by very religious parents who allowed me to find my own path. Married to a devout Catholic. Live in a community where I am the only atheist in my circle. (Only one who will admit it). In college I took a few diverse religion courses because I was fascinated by it.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen] 2
#28127584 - 01/06/23 03:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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loladoreen said: Everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs. No one is wrong. religion is so personal its really shitty to tell someone their beliefs are wrong.
Agreed, as long as those beliefs that lack a logical foundation don't end up becoming the basis for law, or the justification for violence or class systems.
I personally don't care if people are religious, as long as they are cool about it. I'm just curious why anybody can tell anybody else that they are "wrong" about a religion, especially if there is a portion of people within the overall religious group that truly believes that concept. For christianity, there are many different interpretation frameworks, and within those frameworks are many different interpretations of the bible's meaning. This has led to a wide variety of religious beliefs and practices, all falling under the term "Christianity". Since most claim that this is the written word of the Judeo-Christian god, then how can anybody from one interpretation claim superiority or correctness over another interpretation, since it is what they feel is "the way" after reading the word of god?
If we claim that human interpretation of god's word is where the error is introduced, then how do we, as humans, determine which interpretations are more error-ridden? If we claim that god's word was written down by humans, and therefore was originally recorded with innate error or bias, then again how do we as humans determine which portions of the bible are human error and which portions are the true words of god?
Given all of this, someone parroting the beliefs of one interpretation (trees) and being called "wrong" or "ill-informed" by someone who is more familiar with or a follower of another interpretation seems pretty silly to me, that's all.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28127592 - 01/06/23 03:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I have a chest cold too and I never ever get chest colds. I am glad you feel better. You are welcome
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen] 4
#28127599 - 01/06/23 03:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Popular opinion: I hope everyone feeling sick or down feels better!
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28127617 - 01/06/23 03:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Oh I’m driving home. I wanted to have the conversation earlier, but I had to drive back to Austin. At a truck stop now for cough drops. Got a bad chest cold the same day I got my wisdom teeth pulled lol. My luck lately.
If anyone actually wants to talk about it I’d be happy to. Just gotta get home.
Pretty interesting that any time religion is brought up it immediately turns into a talk about Christianity though, isn’t it? I wasn’t even talking about Christianity. It was religion in a broad sense.
If you think Christianity is violent and preaches the murder of women and gay people and that you can just say a magic spell after a lifetime of sin right before death to get into heaven…. you inarguably aren’t talking about Christianity.
It’ll be a long talk. I’ll have it if anyone wants to.
Fair enough, and yea not trying to have a heated argument, just confused by the comments, given what I know about the broader religion that is Christianity.
I think the reason it always goes to Christianity is because that religion has been used to justify and motivate colonization of most of the modern world from its origin as an apocalyptic branch of Judaism. It is the religion that is most common in the western world (so people are more likely to run into a judgy "christian" or one of those loud fire-and-brimstone preachers on a college campus telling a woman wearing pants or with short hair that they are doomed to eternal hellfire), and was the religion associated with many dark times in history (including the popularization of the Nazi movement in Germany during the Holocaust, using a bastardized version of Christianity).
Furthermore, modern day Christians just saying "those weren't true christians, true christians would never do that" with their primary religious text containing scripture used to justify the atrocities committed in the past, and 1000s of years of interpretation resulting in a stark lack of consensus on the interpretation framework that would solidly exclude those older writings from all modern interpretations, well it really doesn't strike a lot of confidence in most non-christian people. This is particularly evident in the US, where Christianity is being consistently over-represented in the halls of congress and at all levels of government, and there has been a strong push from more radical members of this christian group in government to codify and force onto everyone the rules of the bible and whatever denomination of Christianity those members are adhering to. To reference back to the bad apple analogy, people acting under the term "Christianity" have exhibited 1000+ years of bad apples, with mostly lackadaisical accountability, that have destroyed countries, cultures, and countless lives and inflicted pain and suffering on countless others, and it just doesn't look all that great from the outsider's perspective, regardless of you and your church's specific and current intent under that same banner.
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My (main) problem with religion in general : Certainly a society needs "mores" IMHO the acceptable behavior patterns should be arrived at by a logical discourse, laws, parental values. If someone steps in and says: "Well, logic be damned, we got to behave this way because (deity) says so. I can't prove it, you got to have faith. It seems evil, but trust me it's not because (deity) knows best."
That's a dangerous path. After all, what are the chances that of all the religions throughout history, yours just happens to be precisely correct?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: flugelizor] 1
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Smellyhobbit
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28127757 - 01/06/23 05:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Alrighty I am home and prepared to take a bunch of pills. There’s many paragraphs here to comb over and lots of points to discuss.
You want to pick one, Picard? Anything specific you’re most curious about? I’ll do my best to be concise and articulate myself well. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’ll just be giving my honest opinion.
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loladoreen said: Everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs. No one is wrong. religion is so personal its really shitty to tell someone their beliefs are wrong.
Agreed, as long as those beliefs that lack a logical foundation don't end up becoming the basis for law, or the justification for violence or class systems.
I personally don't care if people are religious, as long as they are cool about it. I'm just curious why anybody can tell anybody else that they are "wrong" about a religion, especially if there is a portion of people within the overall religious group that truly believes that concept. For christianity, there are many different interpretation frameworks, and within those frameworks are many different interpretations of the bible's meaning. This has led to a wide variety of religious beliefs and practices, all falling under the term "Christianity". Since most claim that this is the written word of the Judeo-Christian god, then how can anybody from one interpretation claim superiority or correctness over another interpretation, since it is what they feel is "the way" after reading the word of god?
If we claim that human interpretation of god's word is where the error is introduced, then how do we, as humans, determine which interpretations are more error-ridden? If we claim that god's word was written down by humans, and therefore was originally recorded with innate error or bias, then again how do we as humans determine which portions of the bible are human error and which portions are the true words of god?
Given all of this, someone parroting the beliefs of one interpretation (trees) and being called "wrong" or "ill-informed" by someone who is more familiar with or a follower of another interpretation seems pretty silly to me, that's all. 
Existence itself let alone conciousness is illogical.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Excess Taters] 3
#28127917 - 01/06/23 06:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Excess Taters said: When people "hate" on cops, it's because of a few bad apples.
Do you seriously not know or understand the expression you're using?
It goes, "one bad apple spoils the barrel"
This is said because rot on apples will spread from one apple to the next until the whole damn barrel is rotted. Same is true of cops and religion. Those cops or religious people committing atrocities have associates near them that know what's up and cover for them for various reasons. Hence, the neighboring apples (cops) are rotten as well. Left long enough, the entire barrel becomes useless
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Cops as people aren't bad but the purpose of a cop corrupts the person into being something they may not realize or want to be
The good ones will remain immune but like mentioned the rest will rot
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Excess Taters said: When people "hate" on cops, it's because of a few bad apples.
Do you seriously not know or understand the expression you're using?
It goes, "one bad apple spoils the barrel"
This is said because rot on apples will spread from one apple to the next until the whole damn barrel is rotted. Same is true of cops and religion. Those cops or religious people committing atrocities have associates near them that know what's up and cover for them for various reasons. Hence, the neighboring apples (cops) are rotten as well. Left long enough, the entire barrel becomes useless
I was probably not as clear as I thought I was. It's weird, but I was basically imitating the shit they say, their excuse, and then going over why even if that was the case it's not a valid excuse.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28128007 - 01/06/23 06:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Alrighty I am home and prepared to take a bunch of pills. There’s many paragraphs here to comb over and lots of points to discuss.
You want to pick one, Picard? Anything specific you’re most curious about? I’ll do my best to be concise and articulate myself well. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’ll just be giving my honest opinion.
Just grab something, I think you were indicating that trees had some misconceptions about being a true Christian...then I'd just work up from there, anytime you commented with an indication that someone was misinformed about Christianity. I'd like to know what the misconception is and why.
Take as many points as you want, we can always pick it up tomorrow.
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I love religion, unpopular opinion
People I'm not so sure about
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Smellyhobbit
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: trees]
#28128014 - 01/06/23 07:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Of course. Absolutely. I said there were evil Christians and wonderful atheists. Being Christian should mean something very specific on its own, but for many people it’s just a word.
But to be a real Christian you have to kill the sinning homosexuals and non belivers, or else youre in violation of the Bible. Thats why its stupid to be Christian because if you adhear to modern laws and customs, then youre going to hell, not heaven, you are in violation of your own religion. So why continue with that BS?
I’ll grab this one. Sorry I am a little medicated at the moment.
“If you adhere to modern laws and customs then you’re going to hell… you are in violation of your own religion.”
Politely, how does this need addressing if you used to be Christian, Picard? You don’t go to heaven or hell based on your acts and deeds. If you did, no one would go to heaven. The - THE - central tenant of Christianity is that you are saved through Christ and Christ alone.
Christianity isn’t Judaism. You don’t earn your way in or flunk out of heaven. It’s literally a “do your best” system.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28128032 - 01/06/23 07:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Do you know who or how that was decided and when ?
"The - THE - central tenant of Christianity is that you are saved through Christ and Christ alone."
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu] 2
#28128067 - 01/06/23 07:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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If I believe you can read the Bible and reject anything you choose and accept only what you agree with as truth, would you be allowed to be considered a Christian or is that not a Christian and who decides ?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28128094 - 01/06/23 07:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Enkidu said: Do you know who or how that was decided and when ?
"The - THE - central tenant of Christianity is that you are saved through Christ and Christ alone."
As per the Christian faith it was decided about 2000 years ago by Jesus.
The point isn’t necessarily to discuss the finer points OF the belief, but it is inarguably what Christianity teaches.
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