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OfflineSlidewayz
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Vet with PTSD * 2
    #28124420 - 01/04/23 02:20 PM (1 year, 24 days ago)

Hi  I’m new here and I’m looking for advice on magic mushrooms for PTSD and depression  I have no idea where to start    Any advice would be great


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OfflineThe Mycologist
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: Slidewayz]
    #28124434 - 01/04/23 02:30 PM (1 year, 24 days ago)

Welcome bro.

Thanks for your service.

Check out the getting started section and the forums in general.

https://www.shroomery.org/6222/Experiencing-Mushrooms

Shrooms are a very powerful aid in getting your mind to be more flexible, hopefully you will find what you are looking for.

Mush love.


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That the powerful play goes on, and you will contribute a verse.”
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OfflineKilo_Bravo
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: Slidewayz] * 1
    #28124509 - 01/04/23 03:21 PM (1 year, 24 days ago)

Hi there. I am also a vet with PTSD and all the other lovely conditions that come with. I am just starting out myself so I don't have any great tips for you other than continue with research and decide if it's worth a shot to try or not.


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OfflineSlidewayz
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: Kilo_Bravo] * 1
    #28124936 - 01/04/23 07:56 PM (1 year, 23 days ago)

I’ve had a positive experience a few years back with shrooms and addiction and it worked  I guess I have to find my way again  I’m in California where you at?


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OfflineTBRS1
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: Slidewayz] * 1
    #28127141 - 01/06/23 10:38 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

Uhm... I am sure that hallucinogenic therapy would help.

However, having a breakthrough with PTSD while on a hallucinogen is apt to be very distressing, and emotionally painful.

In a case like this, I hope their will be QUALIFIED therapists in the future.

But be careful... People on the internet read an article or two and imagine they are qualified for this work. Be careful - most aren't, and , convincing people to put themselves into your hands while in an emotionally fragile, highly suggestible state is the perfect gig for a manipulative sociopath.


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InvisibleRhizomorph
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: TBRS1] * 1
    #28135881 - 01/11/23 07:38 PM (1 year, 16 days ago)

Quote:

TBRS1 said:
In a case like this, I hope their will be QUALIFIED therapists in the future.




MAPS just got results back from their 2nd phase 3 clinical trial that demonstrate both safety & efficacy so now it's just a matter of filing the paperwork through the FDA. MDMA therapy for PTSD that takes advantage of qualified psychotherapists will likely be rolled out by the end of 2024 based on this news.

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TBRS1 said:
But be careful... People on the internet read an article or two and imagine they are qualified for this work. Be careful - most aren't, and , convincing people to put themselves into your hands while in an emotionally fragile, highly suggestible state is the perfect gig for a manipulative sociopath.




:whatshesaid:
If you're going to go it alone or with a trusted (but non-accredited) facilitator, make sure you thoroughly vet your facilitator, test your drugs using immunoassay strips, reagent tests, or better yet, an FTIR machine if there are harm reduction clinics in your area. Research the chemicals you are taking (pay close attention to contraindicating medical conditions, safety, dosage, duration of effects, etc.), do some preparatory work beforehand and take some time to integrate the experience afterwards. All in all, take responsibility over your own safety as there are no legal regulations in place protecting you as in the case of accredited psychedelic assisted therapies.

It may be beneficial for you and/or your facilitator to read through this as well: Psychedelic Harm Reduction & Integration

Also of note is that as of right now there is limited research into psilocybin/mushrooms for PTSD. Most of the research for psilocybin's therapeutic effects are for end-of-life anxiety & depression. That is not to say that it isn't effective (there are plenty of preliminary & self-reported studies & reports of therapeutic effects, but we have not confirmed if it is truly effective/safe or not using best-practice research protocols. For example, we don't know if there is a risk of some people with PTSD being re-traumatized as psilocybin intensifies emotions, which occasionally includes the fear centers of the brain.

The psychedelic with the greatest evidence for treating PTSD at the moment is MDMA (AKA ecstasy) as it has many of the classic psychedelic effects while reducing activity in the fear centers (unlike psilocybin). However, MDMA can be dependency-forming, potentially neurotoxic in higher doses/outside a regulated setting, and for this reason, there is greater emphasis on taking it in a controlled clinical setting. But again, if you choose to do it alone, *read up on its safety & harm reduction practices* to avoid or at least mitigate these elevated safety concerns with this particular drug


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Edited by Rhizomorph (01/11/23 07:51 PM)


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InvisibleMsMoonshoes
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: Rhizomorph] * 4
    #28139627 - 01/14/23 02:57 PM (1 year, 14 days ago)

I'm coming from a place of general trauma, so not wartime induced PTSD. And of course I'm not a doctor or therapist, etc. For what anecdotal evidence is worth, psilocybin is amazing at helping to treat various symptoms of PTSD. But some things to consider, first:

1) As others mentioned, tripping can be emotionally distressing. Your subconscious is going to take over and you may or may not breakthrough.

2) Mushrooms give you far less control than some psychedelics. Once you're in it, short of taking a trip aborted, you are IN IT.

3) Dosing can be really difficult with mushrooms because of all the variables. Everything from the amount that is lurking in a particular unit, to your natural tolerance, to the strain, to how much food is in your belly can be a factor in the potency of your dose. Which is one reason that no two trips are the same.

4) Tripping on your own can be a risk, purely because your experience is hard to predict. Have someone sober with you, especially in the beginning..at the very least, have something on hand like the Fireside Project that does virtual sitting. But in person is best.

5) Be prepared for not being prepared. You might think you are going to address something specific and end up somewhere totally different in your head. Try to go in without expectations and see where it takes you.

6) You can always take more next time. Start low and see how you do. Your tolerance will reset in a couple weeks, so if it's underwhelming you can always try again.

7) Set and setting are important. You want to be somewhere you feel comfortable and peaceful. Load up some music that soothes you. Try to pick a time you won't be interrupted (even turn off your phone's ringer and notifications). You can change this as you get more experienced.

8) If you have a therapist, consider discussing the trip with them and going over any insights that you may have found. Decompressing and analyzing what you face during a trip is just as important as experiencing it in the first place. Especially if it reveals some things you didn't expect, or that you didn't even realize where impacting you.

In the end, just be cautious and don't jump in too quick. And if you're on any mental health medications, research counterinteractions, especially with SSRI's.

Good luck!


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InvisibleRhizomorph
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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: MsMoonshoes] * 1
    #28139927 - 01/14/23 05:34 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

:whatshesaid:


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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: MsMoonshoes] * 1
    #28139972 - 01/14/23 05:57 PM (1 year, 13 days ago)

Quote:

MsMoonshoes said:
I'm coming from a place of general trauma, so not wartime induced PTSD. And of course I'm not a doctor or therapist, etc. For what anecdotal evidence is worth, psilocybin is amazing at helping to treat various symptoms of PTSD. But some things to consider, first:

1) As others mentioned, tripping can be emotionally distressing. Your subconscious is going to take over and you may or may not breakthrough.

2) Mushrooms give you far less control than some psychedelics. Once you're in it, short of taking a trip aborted, you are IN IT.

3) Dosing can be really difficult with mushrooms because of all the variables. Everything from the amount that is lurking in a particular unit, to your natural tolerance, to the strain, to how much food is in your belly can be a factor in the potency of your dose. Which is one reason that no two trips are the same.

4) Tripping on your own can be a risk, purely because your experience is hard to predict. Have someone sober with you, especially in the beginning..at the very least, have something on hand like the Fireside Project that does virtual sitting. But in person is best.

5) Be prepared for not being prepared. You might think you are going to address something specific and end up somewhere totally different in your head. Try to go in without expectations and see where it takes you.

6) You can always take more next time. Start low and see how you do. Your tolerance will reset in a couple weeks, so if it's underwhelming you can always try again.

7) Set and setting are important. You want to be somewhere you feel comfortable and peaceful. Load up some music that soothes you. Try to pick a time you won't be interrupted (even turn off your phone's ringer and notifications). You can change this as you get more experienced.

8) If you have a therapist, consider discussing the trip with them and going over any insights that you may have found. Decompressing and analyzing what you face during a trip is just as important as experiencing it in the first place. Especially if it reveals some things you didn't expect, or that you didn't even realize where impacting you.

In the end, just be cautious and don't jump in too quick. And if you're on any mental health medications, research counterinteractions, especially with SSRI's.

Good luck!




I think this is a very responsible answer.


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Re: Vet with PTSD [Re: TBRS1]
    #28205275 - 02/26/23 11:09 AM (10 months, 26 days ago)

Quote:

TBRS1 said:
Uhm... I am sure that hallucinogenic therapy would help.

However, having a breakthrough with PTSD while on a hallucinogen is apt to be very distressing, and emotionally painful.

In a case like this, I hope their will be QUALIFIED therapists in the future.

But be careful... People on the internet read an article or two and imagine they are qualified for this work. Be careful - most aren't, and , convincing people to put themselves into your hands while in an emotionally fragile, highly suggestible state is the perfect gig for a manipulative sociopath.






^ This. So much this. And I recommend this as someone involved with a Zen center that will be offering rigorous, daily Zen practice, alongside psychedelic experiences, for those who can benefit. I would also add that essentially there is no such thing as a qualified psychedelic therapist, in the usual sense of how many therapists are supposedly qualified, at least right now. I would say then that quite a bit needs to be done to personally gauge the competence of anyone that you seek to work with, especially in terms of their ethics. As the saying goes about marriage, but paraphrased here, 'before therapy keep both eyes open. During and after, keep one eye open.' So do please avoid anyone who guarantees any results, or who even talks about guiding your experience. Someone who tries to direct such experiences is imposing their own idea of how your experience should go and in what direction. That is disempowering, the very opposite of what psychedelics can potentially do. There is indeed great plasticity with these substances and that is potentially wonderful in it's own right, however it's also a double edged sword, as, during a psychedelic experience, one is more open to being potentially manipulated by those with less than healthy ethics.

I am not trying to put anyone off, just to advise caution and not trusting anyone simply because they have letters after their name, call themselves a psychedelic therapist, or by many of the usual measures we trust professionals such as doctors for example. Those things are to a significant extent meaningless when it comes to therapeutic use of psychedelics. There is also the fact that the real work, as it were, is down to the person who is undergoing the experience. And it is work. The mushrooms for example might well tell us something but it's up to us to listen, to evaluate and to take, or not take action, as appropriate. The understanding and insight that you belong, you have every right to stand on this earth, as a human being, and that you are worthy of love, understanding and attention, that you are not fundamentally broken, is not someone else's to give you. Only you can discover and claim that. It is your birthright.


Edited by johnukguy (02/26/23 11:18 AM)


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