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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27322056 - 05/25/21 03:46 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah and to do it right, you need a pressure cooker. You can buy pre sterilized PF jars or kits but they don't ship well.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27322109 - 05/25/21 05:37 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Fun_Guy5387 said:
Fairly old thread, but here is what I don't understand: If the extant grow kits suck, why does someone not make a proper grow kit, with the things you need and without the things you don't need.

There seems to be great demand, but no one willing to turn that fact into an opportunity.

It does not make sense.




You got suppliers that do make very clean ready to fruit kits it's just not the norm now with everyone trying to make a quick buck and half-assing everything.

People here don't like grow kits or pre-made what whats because we know it's not difficult to do it yourself far cheaper and more effectively.




And let us remember, grow kits suck.

Also, I think unless one does everything oneself it is difficult for shroomery to help diagnose the weak link(s).


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #27401219 - 07/25/21 06:20 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Like others have said. I feel like if your buying the grow kit you just want some shrooms. I can easily find shrooms to buy but now that I’ve started growing them it’s opened up a whole new world for me. I mean I didn’t even know about all the varieties there are. Albinos, PE, etc. Now it’s like common sense. Just from my experience of making my own BRF jars. I have a hard time believing that they can ship them in the mail without messing up the Verm layer which is vital for success. Some of the stuff they sell is kind of cool but you can find it yourself if you just do some reading. I can possibly see the sterilized grain bags being ok but I have to use jars anyways because of the PC I have. That being said. I’d still rather learn to do everything myself. If I had enough money. I’d buy a LFH but my plan is to just make one eventually and save money. I almost bought one. Don’t make that mistake. I know it seems daunting but it’s so much more rewarding when you do it yourself. Once you succeed you’re going to want to do it again. Do you really want to order stuff every time? My very first PF Tek batch I didn’t get a single contamination in any of my jars. All I did was sterilize my work area, follow instructions and work under a SAB and it came out great. You learn every time you do it too. Some idea of technique to make your job easier. DONT BUY GROW KITS!!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #27680628 - 03/03/22 07:55 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I am in the throes of my first cultivation with midwest's TiT spawn and casing kit. I opted for the 5 grain bags, inoculated in SAB with 'blue meanie' spores.

The TiT design, reminiscent of a double boiler, has this far allowed for a very consistent temperature.
The climate in my house requires some sort of temperature control because my wife is very inconsistent with her comfort temperatures.

The rest of the kit seems well.put together. The fruiting tub has a locking lid and pre drilled holes for the light fixture and the HEPA hose for FAE.

After reading through many topics here (I discovered this forum after purchasing my.kit) it seems I would.prefer to use natural, indirect sunlight. However, the structure of my household requires a closet setup, so access to natural light isn't a viable strategy. Chalk another for Midwest foresight.

I came.into this a complete newbie. All knowledge I had for the entire process was entirely theoretical, having never put it into practice.

Even now, my practical knowledge is limited to SAB construction/Use, inoculation and colonization.

I inoculated.my.spawn bags about 4.5 days ago, so colonization recognition still is not on that list.

With that being said, I cannot attest to the thought that the claim made on their website about the efficacy of the kit through every step of the process. To do so would be disingenuous.

So far, here's what I've found in my journey:

The introduction of the concept and giving a comfortable jump off point is, to date, the most useful function of this kit.

The uncertainty with the pre fabricated mediums and plug and.play kit caused my brain to naturally seek as much representative information to attempt to track my progress and diagnose any error I may have made so far.

The full functional aspect of the kit has yet to be determined, but as far as my needs to this point, I would give it kudos.

I do have some present buyers remorse, but I am the type of person that if I'm unsure or uncomfortable with a thing such as this, I will seek information in perpetuity, never pulling the trigger.
Buying a grow kit, for me, was more or.less providing myself with a template to begin forming my own methods and setup.

I wouldn't advise against buying a grow kit completely. It gives you a great place to start for people like me that aren't quite neurotypical and have a little hard time visualizing concepts of.ideas, and giving a physical area of practice to begin matching the theory with the practice and what everything looks like.

However, to buy a 'plug and play' kit, and expect perfect results with no modification to instruction or assembly to maximize your success in your circumstances is the issue. You do a disservice to yourself and the community, and ultimately set yourself up for failure.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: baldskalawag]
    #27698820 - 03/17/22 12:17 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I started out with the ultimate kit, not knowing anything about mycology and being overwhelmed by the info on this site I think it was a good thing for me to start with in that I learned a lot while I waited for shrooms to grow.

I found that the kit was subpar through research and experience. I was able to diagnose that it lacked the needed FAE (due to fuzzy feet and stretched fruit). I recently moved to shoebox grows and the amount of fruit in a short amount of time let me know that it was the way to go when comparing it to the time it took the grow kit to produce and the low amount of fruit.

So was it a waste of money? Not really, it got me started and now I know and am better for it. Could I have done without it, sure, but it was the kick I needed to start.

Would I recommend it to anyone else? Nope. I had considered just giving it away but I am not sure I want to set anyone else up on the road to slow failure. I mean the jars and lids are nice but that is about it.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: dirtsubstrate]
    #27913672 - 08/22/22 01:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I kinda have mixed emotions with grow kits. The problem with grow kits is that people think it's a one stop shop for both technique and materials. I have the ultimate kit like the post above me, and I don't regret it at all. It has been a RIDE! I am currently in the middle of my first successful grow of both burma and tidal wave. Even ate about an 8th of the tidal wave. Gud :laugh:

The grow kit helps you pull the trigger.

The desire to keep your mycelium alive will do the rest.

I ended up modifying many of the recommended steps, and actually drilled into the kit itself for more FAE. Totally changed the air pump frequency, and I mist and fan which they do not recommend. Pictures and advice on this forum, combined with the SEARCH FUNCTION has helped me turn what may have been a disaster into an actual supply of this otherworldly medicine. Will I stick with this kit forever? Probably not. Has this kit helped me see my first fruit and build the confidence I needed to keep doing it? FUCK YES. Personally, one of the best purchases I ever made. Not because it was the best option, but because it forced me to get started. I learned SO MUCH from the kit, AND this forum.

TLDR: buying a kit and learning from mistakes is better than never beginning the journey at all. 💚👽💚👽💚


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: MindSailor]
    #28104431 - 12/19/22 04:17 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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MindSailor said:
I kinda have mixed emotions with grow kits. The problem with grow kits is that people think it's a one stop shop for both technique and materials. I have the ultimate kit like the post above me, and I don't regret it at all. It has been a RIDE! I am currently in the middle of my first successful grow of both burma and tidal wave. Even ate about an 8th of the tidal wave. Gud :laugh:

The grow kit helps you pull the trigger.

The desire to keep your mycelium alive will do the rest.

I ended up modifying many of the recommended steps, and actually drilled into the kit itself for more FAE. Totally changed the air pump frequency, and I mist and fan which they do not recommend. Pictures and advice on this forum, combined with the SEARCH FUNCTION has helped me turn what may have been a disaster into an actual supply of this otherworldly medicine. Will I stick with this kit forever? Probably not. Has this kit helped me see my first fruit and build the confidence I needed to keep doing it? FUCK YES. Personally, one of the best purchases I ever made. Not because it was the best option, but because it forced me to get started. I learned SO MUCH from the kit, AND this forum.

TLDR: buying a kit and learning from mistakes is better than never beginning the journey at all. 💚👽💚👽💚




^This exactly.

No need to shit on anyone for starting with a kit. There is value in it at the start. That value disappears as you learn, so everyone should save their griping for someone who buys kit after kit after kit.  Does anyone even known anyone who has bought more than one?


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #28104544 - 12/19/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I started with the tub-in-tub PF setup from Midwest. Their detailed directions told me to use 'oven tek' to inoculate, they used tall half pint jars (which is why I assume I got so much pinning before the jars completely colonized), and their FAE solution was an aquarium air pump on a timer that promised HEPA-filtered air through what appeared to be a slug of poly fill that was jammed in so tight there was virtually no air flow. But I did get a modest flush out of it.

I'm not against the idea of kits or pre-made stuff, but now I know better and am just so happy I found y'all!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Wintergirl] * 1
    #28104634 - 12/19/22 10:11 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I dont understand oven tek. Do they really believe that the oven holds any amount of sterile air that can be displaced slowly?

As if opening the door doesnt 100% displace all the air in the oven and cause massive turbulence everywhere, including at the door?

It seems to be the worst way to attempt any sterile technique and even doing it in the cold oven with the door open would be an improvement, because at least you almost have an SAB going.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #28120110 - 01/01/23 02:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Overpriced grow kits basically made me never wanna buy them but learn how to do it myself. If you think about the crazy prices and how quickly that amortizes once you start with your own autoclave, you never want to go back. Besides the content here at the Shroomery gives you enough resources to read soyou keep busy trying new/different TEKs that will keep you busy for years.


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