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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: 404] * 1
    #23858756 - 11/22/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"-- while BPD is a serious mental illness, it is by no means a life sentence. Research has shown that the prognosis for BPD is actually not as bad at once thought.

Almost half of people who are diagnosed with BPD will not meet the criteria for diagnosis just two years later. Ten years later, 88 percent of people who were once diagnosed with BPD no longer meet criteria for a diagnosis."

Sources:

Amarine, MC, Frankenburg, FR, Hensen, J, Reich, DB, and Silk, KR. "Predictions of the 10-year course of borderline personality disorder." American Journal of Psychiatry, 163:827-832, 2006.

American Psychiatric Association. "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illnesses-5th edition", 2013.

Widiger, T. "Invited Essay: Sex Biases in the Diagnosis of Personality Disorders." Journal of Personality Disorders, 12:95-118, 1998.

Work Group on Borderline Personality Disorder. "Practice Guidelines for the Treatment of Patients with Borderline Personality Disorder." American Journal of Psychiatry, 158:1-52.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: 404] * 1
    #23858774 - 11/22/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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404 said:
bpd is lifelong, but the symptoms generally decrease in intensity as one ages. This is also the case, i believe, for other disorders, like anti-social.




Yea, I said that earlier.  I know you haven't been reading my entire posts though (don't really blame you; look at those mountains!), so thanks for replying politely anyways.

BPD is not something you "outgrow"

I've also been diagnosed with Anti-Social personality disorder, Narcissistic personality disorder, & obsessive compulsive personality disorder.  Unless cured with say, an ego-death and mind-shattering internal revelations, it is very much a lifetime condition, but yes, all research I've read suggests they get better with age, particularly in the 40's with men.

The Yale psychiatrist I traveled over 2,000 miles to see for this reason simply told me after extensive (I had 2x as many counseling sessions and 2x as many psych sessions as everyone else... people were pissed, actually.  But I was a rare case, and I went a long way to get answers.) - anyway

She told me that I was true Borderline, and given the higher intelligence and impulse control I exhibited, along with signs of what she called "Emotional blunting" which I fear only got worse during my heavy drug use years, told me for the first time that I was far from a sociopath, and I'd been misdiagnosed and mislead which reinforced the false diagnosis - I mean, someone tells you during an emotionally blunted traumatic state that you are a psychopath, you start to believe it...  She managed to get a few tears out of me, impressive at the time.  Ever since I've strived to battle the affliction and be a better person.  Even on my worst days, I hold all the doors and always say thank you to strangers.  I find it's the small things that keep the karma in the world rotating, not necessarily big sacrifices here and there.

Ultimately 1 doctor = 1 new diagnosis.  I took it upon myself to study psychology and now I have a fairly good idea of who and more important, what I am.  Makes it easier to spot my own bullshit and take my own inventory when I know as much as they do about the conditions they are diagnosing me with.  Makes conversation with new doctors difficult though, they just immediately see someone who knows way too damn much and they don't react well, lol.  Especially when you're right, shit.. that's bad - doctors hate being called out.  I play stupid as much as I can in that regard, in order to let them do their jobs.

in AA/NA they preach Rigorous honesty, which is to say, 100% honesty to ones self AND everyone else - I, for some sad personal reasons cannot do this with everyone, but I find if you can find just 1-2 special people out there you can be 100% honest with, and stay 100% honest with yourself, it's all you really need to survive and keep your sanity.

In regards to the lifelong illness controversy; it's highly controversial, to the point where the illnesses are marked way differently from country to country.  We just happen to have the DSM-5 in America currently, so look behind the words and look at the core of the problem that makes you qualified for diagnosis.

Also, most people diagnosed with BPD are misdiagnosed, and the stats reflect that.

I agree it is something you can in a way evolve from, but it is always going to remain a part of you, whether your doctor takes it off your medical chart or not.  It's more of a "what" rather than a "who" condition.  As you develop a new you, the old behaviors fall and then you don't meet diagnostic criteria anymore.  Doesn't mean what made you that way in the first place went away, simply means you found a way to deal with it.  I would know...

Thanks for posting sources though, I can't stand when people make ridiculously unfounded claims with no life experience.


Hey OP, question for you regarding the Hydroxyzine (fun fact; hydroxyzine is the only word in the English language that has the letters xyz in order, lmao)

I just took half of one of my 50mg's for sleep and I've noticed during the first 20-30 minutes when it's really kicking in, I get sharp pains (real fast, like lightning) in certain parts of my neck and forearms, legs, occasionally the finger tips.  Does this ever happen to you?


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23858798 - 11/22/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I stand corrected! :cheers:


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
    #23859719 - 11/23/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:cheers: 

I used to take atarax, have never experienced anything remotely like that.  It didn't do much for me other than help with seasonal allergies.  It can also potentiate better things.

Sounds like a drug interaction, are you taking anything else?


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23860449 - 11/23/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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birdeatingspider said:
:cheers: 

I used to take atarax, have never experienced anything remotely like that.  It didn't do much for me other than help with seasonal allergies.  It can also potentiate better things.

Sounds like a drug interaction, are you taking anything else?




I've complained with this side effect and they literally just switched me from hydroxyzine pamoate to benadryl then back to hydroxyzine hcl

the hcl is better slightly.  but yea, i get bad side effects from it and i have no allergies, not even seasonal ones, and when I take antihistimates I start sneezing lol

shit's weird.. has my allergy-ridden mother looking at me like wtf are you...

otherwise long night,

Canadian chick.  One of my new goals. 'Merica

"She couldn't tell I was American by talking to me" best compliment ever

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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
    #23861572 - 11/23/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damn everything you said is ME! The way you act and stuff.. I really want to talk over the phone sometime. I just broke it tonight so perhaps when I get it fixed.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday]
    #23861778 - 11/23/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Damn everything you said is ME! The way you act and stuff.. I really want to talk over the phone sometime. I just broke it tonight so perhaps when I get it fixed.




I don't ordinarily do that but it could be arranged :thumbup:

Feel free to PM me in the meantime.  Happy Thanksgiving, mate.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
    #23861782 - 11/23/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing happy about anything. this is the worst day of my life I'm trying to sleep it off and my fucking roommate left my med in the car and I broke my phone tonight.. Now i'm just waiting for him to get back so I can take my meds and sleep this shit off..


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday]
    #23861807 - 11/23/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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JustForToday said:
Nothing happy about anything. this is the worst day of my life I'm trying to sleep it off and my fucking roommate left my med in the car and I broke my phone tonight.. Now i'm just waiting for him to get back so I can take my meds and sleep this shit off..




I feel you; not exactly having a great day either.

Still, hang in there.  It's temporary and eventually you'll be back at a high point.

"Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on."

:plur:


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
    #28118746 - 12/31/22 12:34 PM (1 year, 28 days ago)

Wow. I'm reading this in 2022. Randomly stumbled across this searching for something completely different... (was word searching "chaga")
this thread and your replies are very much appreciated by me.....
currently experiencing the most intense emotional pain, likely due to BPD or something like it... amongst extreme anxiety, npd traits, relationships, and more...
great to read


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