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Polk_Audio3
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He is completely fucking stupid how many of Y’all voted for him wow he sucks what about the eggs ? Wow cmon we fund this war cmon my tax dollars
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You'll want this thread moved to the political forum so Falcon and koods can fight for 800 pages over it
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Polk_Audio3 said: He is completely fucking stupid how many of Y’all voted for him wow he sucks what about the eggs ? Wow cmon we fund this war cmon my tax dollars
What Biden do the eggs? Did he eat them like an egg eating snake?

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He is completely fucking stupid how many of Y’all voted for him wow he sucks what about the eggs ? Wow cmon we fund this war cmon my tax dollars
Imagine if we didn't fund Ukraines war and NATO didn't exist. If you lived in Poland Russia would be shooting missiles at your power grid and Maternity wards already . Hell, you would probably be Russian already if you lived in Poland it would be Germany and the Netherlands that would be getting fucked by Russian rockets .
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Putin singlehandedly has made NATO more relevant today than it has been in decades. Biden for all of his flaws, has come out on top. The US has proven that our military infastructure can be used as a force for good....something that has not been the case in awhile.
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you mean sleepy Joe unwittingly outmaneuvered the 8D chess God-Vlad?!!!! Like the old Zen-Master hermit who defeats his opponenent without trying while seemingly simply sweeping his dirt floor like taking care of daily chores as per usual?!!!? Woahhhh!!!
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Biden has always been strong on NATO with the way he handled the balkins in the late 90s and his track record on foreign relations committee. Indeed his presidency came at just the right time with Russia getting uppity again and an erosion of democracy in Eastern European region. These places are seeing serious increase in regressive government and social ideals with things like fascism and communism on the rise at a level not seen since maybe the rise of the soviets and goddamn nazi for fuck sake. Thankfully biden has injected an energetic revitalization to move back to the more transglobal and stable foreign policies in the region as well as a strengthening of NATO and weakening of Russian influence. With that comes alot of push towards ending regional disputes and maintain good behavior civically and diplomatically
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Shooting bombs at people for years makes them change for the better. It doesn't just turn into protracted wars for years on end where the US just finally gives up. We saw that in Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Syria.
Ukraine isn't a proxy war at all, it's just that everyone really loves Ukraine. It doesn't matter that Ukraine was the human trafficking and crime hub of Europe, only eclipsed in bad behaviour marginally (and arguably) by Russia. They are actually heroes. Their president is a Jew so he must be good, that negates him being Rus.
Security analysts have been warning about this war for decades. Warning that NATO expansion on Russian borders is likely to provoke them to try and buffer their homeland with Ukraine, willing or unwilling. They are all wrong. Those guys had no idea what they were talking about. Russia is just being paranoid about that, it doesn't matter that NATO was literally set up to fight Russia. That history doesn't matter at all. Russia is crazy for being concerned about that. Crazy Putin.
It's totally irrelevant that the main demand put forward by Russia at the very start of all of this was that Ukraine promise not to join NATO. That's just Russia being crazy assholes. Trying to stop the good Ukrainians having what they deserve.
We should all be glad of the tens of billions of dollars of weapons are being sent to Ukraine and the place being levelled to rubble. That has certainly worked everywhere else we've levelled countries. It's really bombed the freedom the hell into them. We should definitely enable rubbling of nations wherever we can. It works every time. We can't find a single example where it didn't.
We know we can stand behind the President that was instrumental in another war that levelled a different country looking for nonexistent WMD's. That wasn't a crime or a lie, just an honest mistake. Whoops. His reasoning has always proven to be sound. He's totally trustworthy. Anyone who says his opinion may be mired by warhawks should be shouted down for being unpatriotic. How dare they!
Ukraine putting in law that it is illegal to negotiate with Russia is a great idea. One should always burn bridges to peace if you feel you are morally superior. Zelensky knows he has the full force of all the world's arms behind him and we are prepared to go full world nuclear to protect him. Ukraine media suggesting that Russia was going to nuke Ukraine was not a false flag leading to that end game. Zelensky is a peaceful man from a peaceful law abiding nation.
This conflict is not nuanced at all, there's just one side that is clearly good and the other is clearly evil and crazy. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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There would be a lot more nuance if not for the foreign invasion.
That's a bad thing. Bad people cross borders to kill people in other countries.
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True it's only good vs bad. And we are on the good side. Nothing else matters.
We were on the good side in every war since the second world war. The media told us so. We can trust that. We should not try to understand the nature of the conflicts we are paying to perpetuate.
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Ummm our media tells us pretty much every war since WWII has been a fuck up get off Newsmax or something
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Not when they were happening though. When those wars were on we were the good guys and they were the bad guys, nothing else was permitted. You're old enough to remember. The last time there was any significant media pushback against a narrative of a current conflict was towards the end of Vietnam.
It's how propaganda works.
If Newsmax is a TV station I don't know it, I don't watch television. Not sure what you are talking about.
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People keep pushing this NATO expansion as a reason, and it is pure BS. Last to places to become NATO members were no where close to Russia's border. You have to go back to 2004 for a country sharing a border to become a NATO member. Ukraine didn't have popular support from their citizens to enter NATO before the 2014 invasion. Most Ukrainians preferred neutrality prior to that, but by 2017 almost 70% wanted to join NATO.
This is entirely a problem of Russia's own making, they don't get to use this as pretext for invasion and wholesale slaughter in a sovereign nation. Period.
It's not OK for the US to use these type of excuses, per your statements about the many US wars, so why would it then be OK for Russia? That position doesn't make sense, it is logically inconsistent, yet you are far from the first member posting in this forum I have seen make the exact same argument.
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There was major pushback against the war on terror, especially the Iraq invasion and the search for WMDs. I get that most people not in the US think we are somehow a monolith of warmongers, but very many people were against it.
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#28119840 - 01/01/23 09:50 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I'm talking about the media, the propaganda engine. I can imagine it got bitter towards the end when the shit really started to stink. Took over a decade though.
Many people will always be against war, we are not all idiots.
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Yeah, the media was pretty rah rah rah on the wars. With some exceptions Despite that fact though, as I said, many people were still against, or at least openly skeptical about, those wars. Seems to point to the fact that propaganda is not as all powerful as some intimate.
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#28119868 - 01/01/23 10:10 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah totally, no one can convince everyone of everything. Especially when the lies becomes more and more obvious all the time.
I have concerns about the direction of this current conflict, that we haven't been prudent about who are our friends and who are our enemies. It seems globalization blinds us to the real threats to our way of life whilst providing pariahs to hate upon. Very concerning.
I've got no love for Russia, but honestly I have no love for Ukraine either. They're both scummy shitty countries. I would not put my hand into the middle of that dog fight and not expect to get bitten.
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Same, but I'm against open military aggression. Russia has legitimate grievances, mostly due to leftover animosity from the Cold War, but the solution to those problems does not lie in invading another country.
I don't consider the expansion of NATO to be a legitimate grievance. That's just rehashing the same battles from the past, instead of moving to the future. Russia has a very good educational system when it comes to high end hard sciences--math and physics. There is potential there. Or, was. Now those people are either fleeing the country or dying in Ukraine.
If Putin used the oil situation of 2000-2010 to invest into Russia, he would be on much better footing. Instead, he and his people grabbed as much money as they could. And now he is using a war to cover the problems that robbing the country caused.
US does the same. Wars are good for the people in power. Sharing wealth is not.
The US is definitely taking advantage of the situation as well, because it allows us to continue to pay rednecks in bumfuck Ohio to make javelin missiles. Military welfare. Money that could be spent investing in the future, in training people to fill newly created jobs in green energy and such. But people don't like change, and their votes are valuable.
Edit: I should add that I have a bit of love for Russia. It is, after all, the motherland. Lot more shame, though.
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Biden is doing more to revitalize manufacturing and reduce foreign reliance than any president in recent decades. This goes much farther than the military industrial complex which is already quite robust. I promise you things like the chip act and alot these green initiatives will eventually have a great impact on the manufacturing sector and move the country and humanity towards the future. These things take time tho but theyre coming.
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