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OfflineMikeHarold
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First grow prep
    #28117530 - 12/30/22 01:39 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

First time poster and grower. Been lurking around reading and soaking up tons of info. Have Amazonia MSS coming tomorrow and am prepped to get going and just looking to make sure I'm on the right trac.

Thinking I'm going to inoculate to BRF and sapwn to bulk using shoe boxes to fruit in so I don't have all my eggs in one basket if something happens.

Think I'm going to inculcate 6 1/2 pint jars and spawn 2 per shoe box. Stumbled on the unbucket t3k last night and looking to possibly go that rout for my sub to fruit in. Mistake for a rookie? If I understand correct, you only use coir and vermiculite with no gypsum as the gypsum is nutrition for bacteria to feed on? Thoughts on this? I'm not set on my fruiting method yet as I haven't bought my boxes yet as I still have time before I get there, but want to get things rolling ASAP for a couple reasons.

Supplies on hand already:
1/2 pint mason jars
Vemiculite
BRF
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Lysol spray
small SAB
seed heat mat for incubation box
micropore tape

Just looking for thoughts or input if my thought process is in the right place. Glad I found this great resource of a community, tons of info and knowledge. Thanks in advance!

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28117557 - 12/30/22 01:55 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Mike, you are in the right place for cultivation information. I did exactly what you have done, read everything then tried a dozen techniques. I found the PF tek works best for me and place my jars in water tubs (as per the water tek method). I put everything in water tubs, even my gourmet mushrooms to get them started.

I live in a hot dry climate in summer and freezing cold in winter so have had to find ways to grow in such extremes. The above method is what is currently working well for me, even with the two bags that took 3 months to pin and are now looking great.

Why don't you use this thread as your journal? You can add pictures and keep it as a learning journey that you can refer to as you gain in experience.


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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold] * 1
    #28117566 - 12/30/22 02:04 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Seems like a decent plan, I'm not sure on how many mushrooms you are expecting to get out of 6 cakes though.  Imo 12 is a better number, especially as sometimes a cake won't colonize, so you try for 12 and you might get 12/11/10/9/8/7, and of those which do colonize some might contaminate (though pf is very contaminant resistant).  The numbers I'm familiar with are 3-7g per cake, that's what people tend to expect, but with it being your first grow, I'd expect 2-4. 

So assume 2g per cake to be safe, 6 cakes attempted, say 2 lost, to be safe, then in 2 months you'll have 8gs, or very little mushrooms.  My opinion is that it's better to have more mushrooms than less, so go for more.

If you're set on the number 6, then I'd recommend doing 2-3 grows like that before the first grow ends, so that you have a steady amount coming.

Follow my signatures advice.  That's the best PF tek guide we've currently got.  For shoeboxes, the tek in my sig is the easiest, I'd recommend 1-3 as the spawn to sub ratio though, and since 2 half pints = 1 pint, and most shoebox teks call for 1 quart (which is 2 pints), 4 cakes per box is fine, in your shoes I'd do 3/3. 


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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Edited by Excess Taters (12/30/22 02:10 PM)

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Re: First grow prep [Re: Excess Taters] * 2
    #28117795 - 12/30/22 05:34 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

I've never used lysol for anything and throw the heated mat away. I would Def go for 12 jars, you'll want more than 2 per shoebox.


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Re: First grow prep [Re: Crackatoa]
    #28118158 - 12/30/22 10:20 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Thanks for the inputs. So guessing I'll go 12 jars for a whole syringe then at about .75cc/jar? Any experience with the unbucket t3k? I did/do have concerns about not getting full colonization or contaminates in my jars and was thinking about maybe doing more than less. Just wasn't sure what to expect harvest wise yet and 6G isn't quite going to cut it! I've grown plenty of pot in the past and knew what to expect from my setup then, but this is a whole new journey and excited to start learning and doing.

And yes, I think this may be great to start as a journal to look back on and learn from!

Thank you!

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28118178 - 12/30/22 10:44 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

I've never heard of the unbucket thing.  I did a quick look at it and it seems fine.  If you're doing shoeboxes though, my sigs shoebox link is solid except for the spawn ratio. 

Some general info... For the mushrooms we tend to grow when we're just starting out, Coir alone is the best sub (though if you overhydrate it, you add vermiculite to absorb the excess moisture).  You want to do everything as simply as possible when you're just starting out, so rather than unbucket tek, I'd suggest just doing the original bucket tek, if you want to use hot water rather than boiling water, that's fine, I know Pasty and Munch both do it that way now.

Oh, and with PF tek, you don't need a cheese grater or whatever to grate the cakes.  They'll break up in your hands very easily and it's just as effective.  Shoeboxes are just 1 part spawn to 3 parts spawn.  Hydrate the coir, add the crumbled cakes and coir to the shoebox, mix them up, compress things (it doesn't slow things down or do anything bad), then add a pseudo-casing, which is enough coir to give you 1/4-1/2 in of a top layer.  Then compress that, snap lid, wait ~10 days for knots, 15 days for primordia, 20 days or so for pins, and within a week you'll be harvesting mushrooms. 

That's honestly all it takes.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek

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Re: First grow prep [Re: Excess Taters]
    #28118194 - 12/30/22 10:59 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Thanks Taters. I've seen your shoe box tek previously and am reading through it again. I like the simplicity of the tek and also like the fact that I can break up things to try and have a better success rate if I do get any contamination. I have the room to do a larger mono tub, but thinking about the odds to start out with. Naturally would like the highest yield possible, but a small yield is better than no yield to start.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28118219 - 12/30/22 11:19 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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Thanks Taters. I've seen your shoe box tek previously and am reading through it again. I like the simplicity of the tek and also like the fact that I can break up things to try and have a better success rate if I do get any contamination. I have the room to do a larger mono tub, but thinking about the odds to start out with. Naturally would like the highest yield possible, but a small yield is better than no yield to start.




Just to be clear I didn't make it, this is my first year in the hobby.  With that out of the way, yeah, monotubs are great, but they're hard to dial in properly, and until you understand shoeboxes well, I think jumping to monos is generally a mistake.

Shoeboxes are a decent starting point, especially with pf tek cakes.  A well done shoebox requires less effort than cakes do as well, and they're harder to mess up (unless you go water tub, which is the optimal pf tek path and easiest starter method).

I should also add that a monotub isn't going to produce more mushrooms per spawn than different methods.  We have a guy here (Sirpsycho) who grows in bottles with tampons, cigarette butts, and other weird shit, and his yields are sometimes insane, or always insane if you consider his substrates.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek

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Re: First grow prep [Re: Excess Taters]
    #28119156 - 12/31/22 06:08 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

Cakes are cooling in the pots after pasteurizing and have things prepped to inoculate tomorrow(new year, new journeys). I have a SAB that I'll be using, but trying to figure out where to do things. Don't have a perfect room to inoculate so balancing all the evils! In my kitchen area that is one great room with tall ceilings...not great right?! Do have a small guest bathroom that we only use the toilet in so a smaller space and the shower hasn't been used in months so it's not a hot bed of moisture. Leaning towards that, but the kitchen is so much more convenient for the space as I'm going to do 12 jars. Using BRF cakes and a SAB, but can't be too careful. What would you guys do? Excited to get rolling and see where this journey goes and takes me. I love to make and create things with my hands so growing/cultivating is an extension of that and enjoy providing the things we want and enjoy in life.

Thanks and a happy new years to all that read this!

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28119171 - 12/31/22 06:20 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

You can do it wherever you want.  Just turn off any circulating air, or devices that have fans.  Flame sterilize between inoculations (do this outside the sab).  A sab and a little care makes avoiding contamination very easy with pf tek, you'll be fine in any space you choose barring a mold pile.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek

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Re: First grow prep [Re: Excess Taters] * 1
    #28119181 - 12/31/22 06:29 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

Well I was eyeballing the mold pile I've been collecting in the corner, but thought I'd leave that as a last resort!Pretty much confirms my thoughts and gatherings from my education thus far, just wanted to confirm. Thanks for the input and can't wait to get going! Thanks again.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28119218 - 12/31/22 07:06 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

No sweat, measure twice cut once, I get it man, I'm the same way.  It's better to take the mushrooms seriously than waste few weeks or months doing shit wrong, even if someone, somewhere said it was the right way years ago on this forum and never was corrected.  Especially if you've got plans for your crops and a schedule you'd like to keep.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek

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Re: First grow prep [Re: Excess Taters]
    #28120121 - 01/01/23 02:34 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

Just finished inoculating my first batch. Wound up getting 10 jars injected with the one syringe. Decided to do the Amazonian that I got for the first run.

Quick question. I put micropore tape over the holes. I know the dry verm layer is there to protect from contam, but put it on anyways. Will this hurt with gas exchange as they begin to colonize or is it a non issue? Was just being a little over cautious(hopefully!) since it's my first go.

Thanks again and happy new year!

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28120151 - 01/01/23 02:58 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

You're safe with the MP.


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Re: First grow prep [Re: Crackatoa]
    #28120418 - 01/01/23 06:35 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Thanks, just being cautious. This is a(hopefully!) fun new adventure. I love making and creating things. Remodeling and woodworking is really my trade and it's a very creative process. Been very deep into home brewing and grew pot for my wife and now excited to be able to grow mushrooms which is something we both have recently come to try and enjoy a lot.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28120560 - 01/01/23 09:04 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

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MikeHarold said:
Thanks, just being cautious. This is a(hopefully!) fun new adventure. I love making and creating things. Remodeling and woodworking is really my trade and it's a very creative process. Been very deep into home brewing and grew pot for my wife and now excited to be able to grow mushrooms which is something we both have recently come to try and enjoy a lot.




Yeah, it's a fantastic hobby, you'll love it for ever. And then there are gourmet mushrooms, man-o-man it just gets better and better :smile:


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Re: First grow prep [Re: ACTSmokey]
    #28135708 - 01/11/23 05:52 PM (2 years, 5 days ago)

Quick update. 10 days after inoculation and things are looking pretty good, or at least I think so. Have them in an incubator box holding temps between 72-75. The mycelium seem to be growing at a faster rate each couple days which is making me happy!



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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28135825 - 01/11/23 07:08 PM (2 years, 5 days ago)

:fuckyeah:


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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28135940 - 01/11/23 08:13 PM (2 years, 5 days ago)

Looking good

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Re: First grow prep [Re: FlawdaKraka]
    #28137075 - 01/12/23 06:27 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

So just checked in on things and think I may have a problem. Thought I had the moisture right for the cakes, but was too wet when I first mixed it so had to add more  verm and brf to get to what I thought was better. Today they are all starting to show quite a bit of moisture in the jars. Now I’m aware that heat is generated by the mycelium as they grow and it’s not unusual, but I’m worried it may be too much. When I pulled this jar out for the pic water ran down the jar. Maybe I’m overly worried? Nothing I can do now though if I’m not mistaken so just gonna have to ride it out. Unless dialing down the temp in the box would help, but I’m sure that’s not gonna help any. Thoughts?

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28137101 - 01/12/23 06:48 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

Assuming that the condensation is caused by temperature then maby you could find some place cooler for incubation? What is your room temp surrounding the jars? If i remember right then 18-20°c room temp compensates enough the heat generation of mycellium. I usually have close to 18.

Edit: oops there its is. Yeah it's propably because youre using an incubator. Ditch that shit and let colonize in a clean space with fresh air and no strong currents.


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    #28137113 - 01/12/23 07:07 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

Setup is in a closet with no air venting. Incubator was because the ambient temps in the closet this time of year are between 64-66 so a bit on the cool side. Can/maybe will pull them out of the incubator now that they are rolling and see?

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    #28137125 - 01/12/23 07:20 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

Forgot I had micropore tape on the lids so pulled that off and cracked the lid more on the box to help with air exchange. About all I can do I think?

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28137135 - 01/12/23 07:31 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

It's normal


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Re: First grow prep [Re: Crackatoa]
    #28137156 - 01/12/23 07:51 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

That’s about the same level as what I’m seeing in mine…nice. I was expecting some, just wasn’t sure how much to expect. Rookie being worried over here! Thanks!

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold] * 1
    #28137159 - 01/12/23 07:54 PM (2 years, 4 days ago)

I get it, been there before.


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Re: First grow prep [Re: Crackatoa]
    #28150873 - 01/21/23 05:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Checking in on things today and I’m seeing these brown spots. I’m thinking it’s just staining or something of that nature and not bacteria, but I’m not sure. I see it in pretty much all my jars and it’s where the cake has shrunk away from the sides. Otherwise things are going well and lots of great growth and colonization happening. https://
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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28150876 - 01/21/23 05:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

9/10 that's verm from you moving the jar as the cake colonizes and shrinks.  It'll fall down from the dry verm barrier if you move it too forcefully or to the side/upside down.  Unfortunately, that can bring down contaminants from the top that we're being blocked by that barrier initially.

It may have brought down some contaminants making the yellow type spots, but that's just a guess.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek

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    #28150901 - 01/21/23 05:40 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That was my thought. When I do handle them I try to keep them vertical as possible for that very reason. I’ll have to refrain from fucking around with them from here on.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28158766 - 01/26/23 05:35 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Got some in vitro pinning going on now! Happening in 5 of the 10 jars going. We’re on day 26 and almost colonized completely down the sides but still not on the bottom yet, I’d say around 85% colonization at this point. Pretty much nothing to do about it right? Just let it ride and wait correct? https://

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28158783 - 01/26/23 05:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I suspect that it's bacterial, which is why it pinned early.  Not that PF cakes care much about bacteria. 

Whether I'm wrong or right, just give it time and once it's fully colonized you're obviously about to get some mushers!


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek

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Re: First grow prep [Re: Excess Taters] * 1
    #28164898 - 01/30/23 07:01 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Checked in today and 9of the 10 jars have pins, some full blown shrooms pushing up through the verm layer!? Getting fuzz around some of the shrooms. My uneducated guess is one of two things.
  A: it’s similar to fruiting and lack of fae causing “fuzzy feet”
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  B: the mycelium breaking down the shrooms and reclaiming them if you will.

Also noticing some lumps or blobs as well, but they’re the same white as the rest of the mycelium so not thinking they’re contam.

Thoughts? Am I in for issues moving forward or am I still on a path to having at least a decent chance of a successful outcome?
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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28164919 - 01/30/23 07:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I might be able to be convinced that spawning them now is optimal, but I've never had a situation like this and I'm completely unfamiliar with it.  So don't over value my opinion.

My opinion is it's bacterial, crumble off the uncolonized parts and set the colonized bits in a water tub.  Get what mushrooms you can.  But def wait for someone else's opinion, I'm really just guessing that because they are spawning early, they're being chased out by bacteria, and this is their shot to fruit before it conquers them.  But seriously, wait for an experienced opinion.


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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28164942 - 01/30/23 07:37 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I'd fruit 9 out of 10. Pick off the ones there. You going to bulk or keeping as cakes?


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    #28164969 - 01/30/23 08:07 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Was planning to spawn to bulk. Could be convinced to fruit the cakes though if it seems a better/safer route at this point.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28164984 - 01/30/23 08:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Spawning to bulk with likely bacterial spawn is a risky endeavor.  I'd fruit as a cake.  If you think it isn't bacterial, then spawn to bulk, but the reason we'd spawn before complete colonization ever, is because of bacteria.


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    #28165095 - 01/30/23 09:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Spawning to bulk with likely bacterial spawn is a risky endeavor.  I'd fruit as a cake.  If you think it isn't bacterial, then spawn to bulk, but the reason we'd spawn before complete colonization ever, is because of bacteria.




Got it. Wasn't planning to fruit the cakes so not totally up on the tek. In this case since we aren't fully colonized would I pull the cakes, remove all the uncolinized BRF then dunk and roll as per the rest of the tek? Looks like I have some reading to do to figure out the best route and setup at this particular point now. Thanks.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28165173 - 01/30/23 10:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yes, that's correct.  Wipe all uncolonized stuff off, rinse, dunk, put in water tub.  Then mushrooms, GG.


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    #28175355 - 02/06/23 07:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

So I birthed the cakes and and put them in a couple water tubs on 2-1. Holding the closet at a consistent 72. Misted lightly a couple days after birthing and gave a light mist today which these pics were taken just after misting. Can see lots of other pins starting to for as well. So this first grow didn’t go perfect, but looks like we should get a decent harvest given. Have some golden teacher in the wings and will be starting that run in a bit.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28175562 - 02/06/23 11:09 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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So I birthed the cakes and and put them in a couple water tubs on 2-1. Holding the closet at a consistent 72. Misted lightly a couple days after birthing and gave a light mist today which these pics were taken just after misting. Can see lots of other pins starting to for as well. So this first grow didn’t go perfect, but looks like we should get a decent harvest given. Have some golden teacher in the wings and will be starting that run in a bit.

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    #28175571 - 02/06/23 11:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Not gonna lie, it is kind of a cool feeling! It's a neat process and interesting to learn. Looking forward to more.

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28175659 - 02/07/23 01:33 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Cool shit, good job. I'll be following this grow log. :rockon:
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    #28181290 - 02/10/23 06:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Had a bunch that were ready so pulled and dried them. Came out to 7g dry.
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Had a bunch explode today and will harvesting more this weekend as well.
Have a question though, have several that are all white. Thinking just genetics, but is there anything wrong with them and are they fine to eat?
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    #28182717 - 02/11/23 04:57 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Wow, 7 grams dry, that's a winner on anyone's terms. Well done and keep doing.


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    #28182856 - 02/11/23 06:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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This mornings haul as well! Got another 11g dry! That puts us at 18g so far, not complaining!
Sampled for the first time earlier and happy to report they work and work well! 2g tea and the fuckers packed a nice punch!

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Re: First grow prep [Re: MikeHarold]
    #28183356 - 02/12/23 03:11 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

What I don't quite understand is why people hate on Heating Mats this much. Is it because the fluctuation of temperature due to the poor temperature control or does it get too hot? I think some people don't take into consideration how cold it gets at some places. Not everyone lives in a well insulated house in the first world. Lived in both extremes so I kinda understand the thought process of getting a heating mat to stabilize temperature and optimize growth speed.

I have not experimented enough to say whats right or wrong tho. Just curious.


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    #28183462 - 02/12/23 06:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Our opinions are based on how many issues we have with people using certain methods.

Can heating mats, tub in tub, and other heating methods work and provide benefits?  Sure.  Are most people using them fostering bacterial growth by heating some parts of their grow unevenly and at higher temps.  Yep.

Generally, newer growers want to do everything as easily as possible.  Conceptually these heating methods do work, and are easy, so people use them.  In reality these heating methods heat the bottom to a different temp than the top, usually up to temps that are better for bacteria than mycelium (80+°f).  Also, bacteria/mycelium generate heat, increasing the temp even more. 

So you might shoot an IR thermometer at the top of a thing being bottom heated, and be getting a different temp than you'd see if you could measure the temp at the very bottom.

Lastly, the usual reason behind a mat isn't that they're trying to keep something in a 50 degree environment at 75°.  It's because they feel 60-65° isn't enough so they wanna heat it for quicker colonization.  60-65° is safe growing temps and not much slower than 70-75°.  This means, for most people using heating mats, that it's unnecessary, only slightly beneficial, and carries a high risk.

It's like taking a shortcut down a grimey alley in a shitty part of town when a well lit path that is completely safe is available as well.  The shortcut will get you there 20% quicker, but 50% of the time you die in that alley.  Maybe just quit being impatient and go wit the sure shot.  Sure to make the bodies drop...


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